What race for PVP Stam Nightblade?

Erock25

Bosmer, Redguard, Imperial .... any stamblades out there want to comment what they wish they had if they could start all over again? Aesthetics are not a factor.

Teargrants

Bosmer.

#DoABarrelRoll

Soulac

Kahjiit!

KenCleanAirSystem

Don't have to start over fortunately, because I already play one, but Bosmer for the stamina regen.

Iyas

Bosmer

Rosveen

Either of these 3 would be fine, so Bosmer.

#BosmerMasterRace

Dositheus

I have always been really partial to Redguard NB.

Toss caltrops into a group, and watch your stam pool be topped off as you dodge roll around spamming steel tornado.

Cthalion

There is absolutely no debate at all. It's bosmer. Their retardly overpowered turd racial trumps anything for stamina.

It needs to be brought in line with other racials honestly. Other racials are 10-12% or such (or even less). Compare that to garbage bosmer racial. LOL.

Sorry about that rant, just a sore point with me. Most NBs people whine about are bosmer, because they can stack wep dmg, and still have amazing stamina regen. Nerf time for that racial, or buff other racials to be fair then.

When there is absolutely no point to be any other race for stamina (performance wise), then clearly it is overpowered.

nordsavage

This one thinks that Khajiit has the best passive for stamina PvP NB. Yes?

Cthalion

nordsavage wrote: »

This one thinks that Khajiit has the best passive for stamina PvP NB. Yes?

No. Not even close. See my above post.

Jitterbug

#NERFSWIMSPEED

Cthalion

Jitterbug wrote: »

#NERFSWIMSPEED

LOL!!

Well, it wouldn't be SO bad if all the water in cyro wasn't full of slaughterfish

Trollwut

I recently wrote a melee Stamina Nightblade guide. Races are also recommended: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-0-the-cutthroat-dwbow-melee-stamina-pvp/

Erock25

Looks like bosmer is the most recommended so far. I was contemplating between bosmer and imperial. I kinda thought if I was bosmer, I'd have to run food in PvP for the extra health and with an imperial I could run drink and they'd both be equal more or less. But I dunno, maybe bosmer are running drink still too although I think they'd have to invest in health somewhere.

Dositheus

Erock25 wrote: »

Looks like bosmer is the most recommended so far. I was contemplating between bosmer and imperial. I kinda thought if I was bosmer, I'd have to run food in PvP for the extra health and with an imperial I could run drink and they'd both be equal more or less. But I dunno, maybe bosmer are running drink still too although I think they'd have to invest in health somewhere.

Yeah, Bosmer is one of the races I haven't done for NB yet. I've had an Imperial, Redguard and an Argonian NB. I think Redguard and Imp were my faves. I have pondered Bosmer though, or Khajit. But probalby Bosmer.

Ezareth

Erock25 wrote: »

Looks like bosmer is the most recommended so far. I was contemplating between bosmer and imperial. I kinda thought if I was bosmer, I'd have to run food in PvP for the extra health and with an imperial I could run drink and they'd both be equal more or less. But I dunno, maybe bosmer are running drink still too although I think they'd have to invest in health somewhere.

Bosmer.

And yes Bosmer should be running drink as that 21% is stacked on top of it and and top of your champion system regen.

It wasn't even a choice for me....the thing I hate is that I'm the tallest Bosmer possible and I'm still a midget ) =

Jules

Bosmer seems best currently. However ZOS has a bad rep for willy nilly nerfs. I think it's naive to imagine their incredible stam regen won't someday be cut down a bit. Just keep that in mind.

Xael

Any race is good, though I went Bosmer for many reasons. This was back in March of last year.
Now I am currently decking out a new NB that's an Orc.
I have seen people 1 shot with an Argonian Templar. Race doesn't matter at all.

Regarding Bosmer, stacking stamina regen is redundant if you are not spending it. If your playstyle does not constantly drain your stam every fight, it's unnecessary. A good example are those that kill their target after an opener or seconds after. For this type of play regen is a non issue and you are better off with raw stats or different racials. Since I have been playing a Stam NB since last year, I already know how to play it and have developed my own playstyle. That said, building another I am able to try out other things or augment other areas I find lacking on my current NB.

Determine how you want to play and make your choice accordingly.

There is no "best" race, only an "optimal for playstyle."

SturgeHammer

My Stam nb is an Orc. The racial passives are relevant to stam users. The sprint speed boost is very nice and probably one of the most underrated racial passives in the game. If smacking people around with a giant hammer is your thing it only makes sense to go Orc.

MoneyOverEverything

if u wanna gank go for woodelf 21% more stamina reg, nuff said 1500 - 2000 life more or less doesnt count

i got 2 v14 nb both assault rank 10 1x khajiit 1x woodelf

woodelf masterrace for gank

Lyzaaa

Cthalion wrote: »

There is absolutely no debate at all. It's bosmer. Their retardly overpowered turd racial trumps anything for stamina.

It needs to be brought in line with other racials honestly. Other racials are 10-12% or such (or even less). Compare that to garbage bosmer racial. LOL.

Sorry about that rant, just a sore point with me. Most NBs people whine about are bosmer, because they can stack wep dmg, and still have amazing stamina regen. Nerf time for that racial, or buff other racials to be fair then.

When there is absolutely no point to be any other race for stamina (performance wise), then clearly it is overpowered.

what about the *** 30% stamina regen in the NB passive?

SirAndy

My Wood Elf stamina based NB is doing great in PvP. I'm using the bow as my main weapon and fall back to dual wield for closeup combat.

sagitter

Fun thing is that when i started to play at launch, pro players laughted at me cause i choosed the poor bosmer nightblade, considered the worst class\race combo of che game, and look at that now... This is why i love mmo, things always chance !

nordsavage

Cthalion wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

This one thinks that Khajiit has the best passive for stamina PvP NB. Yes?

No. Not even close. See my above post.

First off who wants to be a boring Bosmer. Second you can get stamina cap/regen way easier than crit. Third if you choose to be a vampire the health regen takes some of that bite out. So while you prance about s a Bosmer this one will stab and kill you with crit attacks. Odds are you just want to make a little female elf to ogle.

Dositheus

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Cthalion wrote: »

There is absolutely no debate at all. It's bosmer. Their retardly overpowered turd racial trumps anything for stamina.

It needs to be brought in line with other racials honestly. Other racials are 10-12% or such (or even less). Compare that to garbage bosmer racial. LOL.

Sorry about that rant, just a sore point with me. Most NBs people whine about are bosmer, because they can stack wep dmg, and still have amazing stamina regen. Nerf time for that racial, or buff other racials to be fair then.

When there is absolutely no point to be any other race for stamina (performance wise), then clearly it is overpowered.

what about the *** 30% stamina regen in the NB passive?

Nerf Sorcs.

There we go, figured I'd help derail the thread back the other way.

BlackBacon

Bosmer's 21% Regen always seemed minimalized by all the regen they already throw at you with little to no effort.

30% NB Passive
15% Werewolf
28% Medium Armor
0-25% Champion Points

Stealthy's extra damage is nice, but will only apply during an ambush where you should already have the upper hand. It doesn't affect your cloaked damage at all.

Imperial on the other hand will give you 7% more Stamina and 12% more HP.

+7% Stamina should easily equate to +3-4% more overall damage than the Bosmer and the +12% hp improves survivability and may even open up room in your build for more stamina regen gear if that's what you're into.

Not to mention Red Diamond which has a 10% chance to heal you for 6% of your hp. If you're running the popular Ravager + Caltrops combo this heal should proc quite a few times during the course of a fight.

In the end it comes down to sustain vs damage & survivability.

TheBull

2 Words - Adrenalin Rush.

BlackBacon

TheBull wrote: »

2 Words - Adrenalin Rush.

The man does have a point. If you're going pure stamina regen Redguards are unmatched for endgame melee builds.

The chart below assumes a few things

-You're using the skirmisher set
-You're using a Regen Drink
-You have 30k Stamina and you're proccing Adrenaline Rush inefficiently every 4 seconds (it has a 3 second cooldown)

There are 2 charts below. One with 100 CP in Mooncalf (the Stamina Regen Champion Passive) and one with 0 CP in it.

(Adrenaline Rush Formula ((30,000*.03)/4 Seconds)*2) (Regen only ticks every 2 seconds)

izjiz

Orc if you wish to be #1

As an alternative, you could also try an orc.

Ezareth

BlackBacon wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

2 Words - Adrenalin Rush.

The man does have a point. If you're going pure stamina regen Redguards are unmatched for endgame melee builds.

The chart below assumes a few things

-You're using the skirmisher set
-You're using a Regen Drink
-You have 30k Stamina and you're proccing Adrenaline Rush inefficiently every 4 seconds (it has a 3 second cooldown)

There are 2 charts below. One with 100 CP in Mooncalf (the Stamina Regen Champion Passive) and one with 0 CP in it.

(Adrenaline Rush Formula ((30,000*.03)/4 Seconds)*2) (Regen only ticks every 2 seconds)

The assumptions here are not particularly accurate but it's a fair comparison.

For starters your base Stamina regen is 514, not 500. If you're using Drink you're using Blue V10 drink which is 372 Magicka/Stamina.

Second I think your stamina wearing Skirmisher set for PvP with drink is not going to be 30K. I don't even have 30K Magicka on my Sorc and I have every attribute and enchant on my gear at Magicka, my rings and neck are magicka and I'm a bit over 28K as an Altmer. In PvP most nightblades are going to want at least some points into health since they can't rely upon damage shields.

The only piece of information that you need to know to make this comparison are your adjusted base values (Base Stamina + Sources of static +Regen and + drink).

I'm not sure why you left out the Redguard stamina regen bonus in your comparison as the Bosmer advantage over the Redguard base regen is only +12%.

So basically to determine the advantage you multiply 12% by your champion point bonus (Let's say 25% even though no one has that) which makes it 15%.

Add 514+372+124 = 151.5 Stamina regen per 2 seconds. With No champion points into stam recovery it is only 121.2.

Keep in mind if you're stacking any sort of stamina recovery like Way of Air or are running Nights silence, blood spawn or shadow walker then you get another 15-19 Stamina per 2 more for every set bonus depending on your champion allocation.

Still in a perfect scenario a Redguard would have better Stamina regen but usually in PvP you're not always attacking every 4 seconds...if you are you have the upper hand and will likely not run out of stamina regardless. If you're trying to evade or reposition you can't always get off melee attacks and that's where bosmer really shines.

I'd say 22-25K Stamina is more realistic for a PvP Redguard so adrenaline rush would work out to 330 to 375 stamina per 2 when attacking.

It's a viable alternative, I didn't realize the Adrenaline rush proc worked out to 3% of base stamina.

BlackBacon

That's good information, thanks Ezareth. My highest is VR2 so I was lacking in the actual high end numbers. I forgot Redguard nets you 9% regen.

I made the following changes:
-Updated values
-25k Stamina
-A more realistic attacking once every 6 seconds
-Added redguard regen