Nightblade Damage Immunity

Vis

Cloak spamming NBs are on the rise so I recently began using mage's light and discovered a new bug. Mage light prevents them from disappearing, however after they activate cloak they will usually remain shadowed during the cloak's duration. While they are darkened, most projectile damage will register (audio/visually) their impact but no damage will be done to the night blade.

Simply put, even if someone uses a pot or skill to reveal you, as long as you spam cloak you will be immune to a large portion of all incoming damage.

NoRefunds

use streak or curse or detonation, problem solved.....all these sorcs trying to get random stuff nerfed just to avoid nerfs for their class

Vis

NoRefunds wrote: »

use streak or curse or detonation, problem solved.....all these sorcs trying to get random stuff nerfed just to avoid nerfs for their class

You're cool with bugs giving free immunity? Or only those your class has?

TheBucket

Wait, so you're saying NB's only defensive ability should allow you to strike them when cloak because you use Light?

That's cool if I can get siphoning attacks to go through shields.

The tooltip allows your to see the NB. Not "hit" him.. Even though several abilities do actually hit a NB when cloaked. Just not the ones you are using.

Teargrants

It's not a bug its a feature. Cloak force misses single target attacks on activation, similar to dodge roll immunity frames. That effect is independent of the stealth.

septvestige

doesn't it shadow barrier? While cloaked nb has increased armor and spell resistance?

Cody

So has nirnhoned been fixed yet? Can I go back to the vet campaigns yet? no? what a shame

trust me, with the nirnhoned crisis and the many other issues plaguing PvP, a working cloak should be the least of your concerns.

TheBull

What teargrants said. Cloak gives 100% chance to miss. Awhile back in an effort to improve cloak (i believe) cloak for the most part stopped doing the miss animation, which makes it look like projectiles are hitting the target, but doing no dmg.

Xeven

Teargrants wrote: »

It's not a bug its a feature. Cloak force misses single target attacks on activation, similar to dodge roll immunity frames. That effect is independent of the stealth.

Except that its a dumb bandaid fix "feature". You can stand in a flare, light, or under a detect pot and spam cloak effectively becoming immune to all single target abilities and ultimates. It's a get out of meteor, or anything else free card.

OP? Questionable.

Stupid as hell? Absolutely.

Vis

TheBull wrote: »

What teargrants said. Cloak gives 100% chance to miss. Awhile back in an effort to improve cloak (i believe) cloak for the most part stopped doing the miss animation, which makes it look like projectiles are hitting the target, but doing no dmg.

Nowhere in the tool tip does it talk about 100% miss chance. It is not in any patch notes either. Nor does it show up in the buffs. Furthermore, the same affect does not occur for those using slip away, or invisibility pots, or those popped out of standard stealth after the projectile has been released. I am fairly certain it is not working as intended. Otherwise, magicka NBs should never whine about not having a class heal again, you have a 100‰ immunity from single target damage skill, which I would gladly trade for anything.

Domander

Vis wrote: »

Cloak spamming NBs are on the rise so I recently began using mage's light and discovered a new bug. Mage light prevents them from disappearing, however after they activate cloak they will usually remain shadowed during the cloak's duration. While they are darkened, most projectile damage will register (audio/visually) their impact but no damage will be done to the night blade.

Simply put, even if someone uses a pot or skill to reveal you, as long as you spam cloak you will be immune to a large portion of all incoming damage.

These are projectiles "missing"

LegacyDM

Xeven wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It's not a bug its a feature. Cloak force misses single target attacks on activation, similar to dodge roll immunity frames. That effect is independent of the stealth.

Except that its a dumb bandaid fix "feature". You can stand in a flare, light, or under a detect pot and spam cloak effectively becoming immune to all single target abilities and ultimates. It's a get out of meteor, or anything else free card.

OP? Questionable.

Stupid as hell? Absolutely.

1. It's not 100% immunity. Try using crushing shock or two handed charge.
2. When someone is cloaking they are not attacking. It is near impossible to effectivly animation cancel cloak.
3. NB spamming cloak will eventually run out of mana unless geared to be full mana regen/reduction and therefore as a result would be left with little spell damage.

I don't see what the big fuss is. Cloak is broke and anyone who has played this game for the last year knows the frustration and problems associated with cloak. calling for a nerf or OP on this skill is just dumb.

Jakeol

Cloak will only pop certain abilities, namely projectiles and meteor, radiant destro, soul assualt, etc.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Cloak makes soul assault miss? Unless something changed I clearly remember getting hit with it while cloaked. It does affect meteor though which is good since that ultimate is REALLY good otherwise. Ill give it a try next time though, but even the nbs I have shot it at never seem to be able to counter it. OH wow im dumb I just remember they cant hide since im marking them.......

Ezareth

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Cloak makes soul assault miss? Unless something changed I clearly remember getting hit with it while cloaked. It does affect meteor though which is good since that ultimate is REALLY good otherwise. Ill give it a try next time though, but even the nbs I have shot it at never seem to be able to counter it. OH wow im dumb I just remember they cant hide since im marking them.......

Cloak removes 1 dot which is technically what a soul assault is. You can hit someone who is cloaked with soul assault but you can "cloak" off a soul assault in much the same way you can purge.

heystreethawk

I don't think soul assault (or other channeled attacks) will miss per se or per diem; however, you can break them by cloaking while they attempt to murder you with their raybeam. If you believe I should not be able to do this, mine fellow Aldmeri patriot and weaponry enthusiast of yonder Original Posting, I respectfully disagree. I role play as a Klingon Bird of Prey and will scream bloody murder if mine immersion doth break

TheBucket

You make it so abilities hit you through cloak more than they do now and magic NB will be extinct

Chikenuget

Xeven wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It's not a bug its a feature. Cloak force misses single target attacks on activation, similar to dodge roll immunity frames. That effect is independent of the stealth.

Except that its a dumb bandaid fix "feature". You can stand in a flare, light, or under a detect pot and spam cloak effectively becoming immune to all single target abilities and ultimates. It's a get out of meteor, or anything else free card.

OP? Questionable.

Stupid as hell? Absolutely.

That's what nearly every other defensive ability is. It costs a resource and prevents damage.


Lol "get out of meteor"... without these skills meteor becomes a free "let me do damage to an opponent without having to really time anything." Real L2P issue here.

Saft

Agree with topic starter, sounds like a bug, cloak is already so op its insane. That + fear, + NB burst capability ruin PVP.

Sur sorcs are also very strong, and BoL + Shield stacking is also to strong, but its nothing compared to NB.

FIx this pelase zenimax, so dark cloak does't render projectiles useless even if NB should't be able to cloak.

heystreethawk

Saft wrote: »

Agree with topic starter, sounds like a bug, cloak is already so op its insane. That + fear, + NB burst capability ruin PVP.

Sur sorcs are also very strong, and BoL + Shield stacking is also to strong, but its nothing compared to NB.

FIx this pelase zenimax, so dark cloak does't render projectiles useless even if NB should't be able to cloak.

Those of us who woosh our cloaks at whim and use fear to divert the Zerg rivers are not the same nightblades with yonder burst damage FYI

rfennell_ESO

You can hit people with nearly anything while they are cloaked, as long as you cast it before they cloaked.

While they are cloaked, yes a lot of casts will not work on them. I think that is working as intended.

Cody

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Cloak makes soul assault miss? Unless something changed I clearly remember getting hit with it while cloaked. It does affect meteor though which is good since that ultimate is REALLY good otherwise. Ill give it a try next time though, but even the nbs I have shot it at never seem to be able to counter it. OH wow im dumb I just remember they cant hide since im marking them.......

Cloak dark cloak removes 1 dot which is technically what a soul assault is. You can hit someone who is cloaked with soul assault but you can "cloak" off a soul assault in much the same way you can purge.

there ya go, that's better:)

Ara_Valleria

Vis wrote: »

Cloak spamming NBs are on the rise so I recently began using mage's light and discovered a new bug. Mage light prevents them from disappearing, however after they activate cloak they will usually remain shadowed during the cloak's duration. While they are darkened, most projectile damage will register (audio/visually) their impact but no damage will be done to the night blade.

Simply put, even if someone uses a pot or skill to reveal you, as long as you spam cloak you will be immune to a large portion of all incoming damage.

YEAHHH !! NERF MY DARK CLOAK ONCE MORE !!

Zsymon

TommyGoodgone wrote: »

doesn't it shadow barrier? While cloaked nb has increased armor and spell resistance?

Shadow Barrier is only armor now, and it gives the armor for 4 seconds regardless of being cloaked.

Zsymon

heystreethawk wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Agree with topic starter, sounds like a bug, cloak is already so op its insane. That + fear, + NB burst capability ruin PVP.

Sur sorcs are also very strong, and BoL + Shield stacking is also to strong, but its nothing compared to NB.

FIx this pelase zenimax, so dark cloak does't render projectiles useless even if NB should't be able to cloak.

Those of us who woosh our cloaks at whim and use fear to divert the Zerg rivers are not the same nightblades with yonder burst damage FYI

Indeed, only magicka NBs can spam Cloak and Fear, and they have no burst capability. I think this whole situation where people are freaking out about NBs is getting out of hand, it is like some panic that multiplies with itself, completely ignoring all facts. People parroting what they read from other panic stricken posters, not checking if it is even remotely true.

There's this one dude that keeps complaining about Refreshing Shadows, as if 30% stamina recovery turns us into unkillable monsters. I agree it is a strong passive, but it is there for a reason, to partially make up for a total lack of healing and shields. NBs don't have a single reliable heal, and not a single shield period. We don't even have a spell resistance buff anymore, since Shadow Barrier now only gives Major Resolve. All other classes have a reliable skill that gives both the armor and spell resistance buffs. So I am sorry but Refreshing Shadows is nowhere near overpowered for a class that lacks so much defense.

Cody

Zsymon wrote: »

heystreethawk wrote: »

Saft wrote: »

Agree with topic starter, sounds like a bug, cloak is already so op its insane. That + fear, + NB burst capability ruin PVP.

Sur sorcs are also very strong, and BoL + Shield stacking is also to strong, but its nothing compared to NB.

FIx this pelase zenimax, so dark cloak does't render projectiles useless even if NB should't be able to cloak.

Those of us who woosh our cloaks at whim and use fear to divert the Zerg rivers are not the same nightblades with yonder burst damage FYI

Indeed, only magicka NBs can spam Cloak and Fear, and they have no burst capability. I think this whole situation where people are freaking out about NBs is getting out of hand, it is like some panic that multiplies with itself, completely ignoring all facts. People parroting what they read from other panic stricken posters, not checking if it is even remotely true.

There's this one dude that keeps complaining about Refreshing Shadows, as if 30% stamina recovery turns us into unkillable monsters. I agree it is a strong passive, but it is there for a reason, to partially make up for a total lack of healing and shields. NBs don't have a single reliable heal, and not a single shield period. We don't even have a spell resistance buff anymore, since Shadow Barrier now only gives Major Resolve. All other classes have a reliable skill that gives both the armor and spell resistance buffs. So I am sorry but Refreshing Shadows is nowhere near overpowered for a class that lacks so much defense.

RS is fine. People only complain about it for the sake of complaining

Lava_Croft

Play a Cloak spamming Nightblade for a year.
Be able to spam Cloak endlessly using Warlock + Seducer.
1.6 releases.
Suddenly people cry at me for being able to spam Cloak endlessly.

How about you scrubs quaff one of them ridiculous Detection potions and completely negate one of the core Nightblade skills for 40 seconds?

Cody

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Play a Cloak spamming Nightblade for a year.
Be able to spam Cloak endlessly using Warlock + Seducer.
1.6 releases.
Suddenly people cry at me for being able to spam Cloak endlessly.

How about you scrubs quaff one of them ridiculous Detection potions and completely negate one of the core Nightblade skills for 40 seconds?

potions are totally balanced!!!!!!! the class lacks any kind of reliable heal or shield, it losing its core skill for 40 seconds is fine!!!! in fact, the class is OP!!!!!!

btw, lets nerf fear and further lower the class' already low survivalbility!!!

and refreshing shadows!!!!!! OP! NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!

Rust_in_Peace

"Cloak is OP."

This is why nobody takes you people seriously.

Kater_Murr

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Beldorr

Kater_Murr wrote: »

Chikenuget wrote: »

That's what nearly every other defensive ability is. It costs a resource and prevents damage.

Oh really? And what defensive ability ignores meteor completely? With dot and knockdown? I definitely want it on my skillbar.

Ball Lightning will ignore it if they are standing on it already. DK reflect & Defensive posture can return the meteor to the caster. Block greatly reduces it's initial damage and prevent knockup. Eclipse would do the trick but more difficult to time.

Cody wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Cloak makes soul assault miss? Unless something changed I clearly remember getting hit with it while cloaked. It does affect meteor though which is good since that ultimate is REALLY good otherwise. Ill give it a try next time though, but even the nbs I have shot it at never seem to be able to counter it. OH wow im dumb I just remember they cant hide since im marking them.......

Cloak Level 1 dark cloak removes 1 dot which is technically what a soul assault is. You can hit someone who is cloaked with soul assault but you can "cloak" off a soul assault in much the same way you can purge.

there ya go, that's better :-)

Zsymon wrote: »

TommyGoodgone wrote: »

doesn't it shadow barrier? While cloaked nb has increased armor and spell resistance?

Shadow Barrier is only armor now, and it gives the armor for 4 seconds regardless of being cloaked.

Shadow Barrier is major ward and major resolve