Why are templars considered weak? Should I reroll before I fully invest?

yogarogue

I am currently casually leveling a templar. I am having fun but I keep reading opinions on the class about how weak they are compared to other choices.

What exactly makes a templar weak? (in pvp and pve). My fun will be greatly overshadowed by the idea that I will always be outmatched. Rerolling is a definite option for me.

I plan on pvping at higher levels and I want to have fun, I dont want to be steamrolled.

Lord Xanhorn

You can find lots of posts regarding every class being the absolute best and absolute worst. Its the nature of this game. Bad players think everything else is OP and their class is terrible and good players think everything is great. Truth is, all 4 classes have good and bad points to them. That's what makes them unique.

Templar is a fine class and done correctly and in the hands of a great player, is an absolute beast in PVP and PVE. But so are the other 3 classes as well.

IMO, the templar is the most fun class to play but I've always been partial to Paladin divine types which the templar is based off of.

Cuyler

Are you reading older posts?

Stam Templar dps is now arguably best in the game. They also best healers and make really good tanks (due to the self heals).

Templar is FOTM right now. Most PvPer's are just saying NB is OP because they can't block the fear. Sorcs are strong in PvP only if you know what you're doing and if you don't you'll wipe the floor. DK has always been the FOTM.

The real issue with Templar, for my understanding as I don't actually play one, is that a lot of the skill animations are broken atm.

Snit

yogarogue wrote: »

I plan on pvping at higher levels and I want to have fun, I dont want to be steamrolled.

If you're planning to roll solo in PvP, Templars are probably the class least suited for it. They can still manage fine, but NB or Sorc would be better due to superior mobility. Templars are sturdy, but they're not especially mobile unless they go vampire.

If you plan to group in PvP -- and you should, because Cyrodiil is designed around group vs group -- Templars remain awesome and necessary. Coordinated PvP requires healers, and Templars are better at it.

Zsymon

Except Templar healing got nerfed so hard that they are barely any better at it than other classes now, it's mostly the healing convenience of Breath of Life, rather than actual healing power. If healing is all you do then roll a Templar, but if you want to change your roles sometimes to fight staleness, other classes are far more suited. Templars can't be used as offensive casters in PvP, and they don't have a single effective offensive skill to support DPS stamina builds, unless you want to give out free CC immunity with Biting Jabs.

Soris

Like Snit said, templars are good at group play and healing. They have good healing, goodish buffs, support skills etc. So it is good at a classic type of dedicated pocket healer.

IMO measuring a class' strength can only be done by solo play not grouping with 10 others.

For solo play and 1vX, unlike pre update 6, they are sub par to other classes. All of their defensive skills were nerfed drastically. Though stamina builds can catch up with other classes due to the dodge rolling and weapon skills. (nothing templar specific here)

First 2 comments are troll I suppose.

joshisanonymous

I'm pretty sure every class switches position in strength every month or two. That's basically the standard in any MMO. Choosing your class based on whether people are currently saying it's overpowered or not is nonsense. Choose your class based on your playstyle, nothing else.

kylerjalen

Well, it depends on what you do basically but for me, I love my Templar (magicka build).
With it I can roll around lower Craglorn with not the most ideal gear but still survive quite a bit. I'm sure if I respecced so that its a Stamina build it would be a hell of a lot better but I'm actually very happy right now with the direction I'm going. I can heal well. I can survive reasonably well.
I think the biggest thing is that Templars may not be as damage producing as say, a Dragon Knight but for sustainability and survivability, you would be hard pressed to kill one if they build it right.

Saft

yogarogue wrote: »

I am currently casually leveling a templar. I am having fun but I keep reading opinions on the class about how weak they are compared to other choices.

What exactly makes a templar weak? (in pvp and pve). My fun will be greatly overshadowed by the idea that I will always be outmatched. Rerolling is a definite option for me.

I plan on pvping at higher levels and I want to have fun, I dont want to be steamrolled.

PVE stamina templar are good dps, magica templar could need some dps improvements, we are best healers.

PVP we are good in groups, and worthless alone. In pvp i always go for kill the templar first, because he got no escapes (like nb and sorc) and usually easier to kill then DK.

Soo if you are PVE crab that like stamina dps or healing, templar is good choise.

If you like PVP in group templar is good, especially magica one, but any class work in groups really.
If you like PVP alone, reroll to NB or Sorc.

Khivas_Carrick

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

You can find lots of posts regarding every class being the absolute best and absolute worst. Its the nature of this game. Bad players think everything else is OP and their class is terrible and good players think everything is great. Truth is, all 4 classes have good and bad points to them. That's what makes them unique.

Templar is a fine class and done correctly and in the hands of a great player, is an absolute beast in PVP and PVE. But so are the other 3 classes as well.

IMO, the templar is the most fun class to play but I've always been partial to Paladin divine types which the templar is based off of.

^^^This,

Cuyler wrote: »

Are you reading older posts?

Stam Templar dps is now arguably best in the game. They also best healers and make really good tanks (due to the self heals).

Templar is FOTM right now. Most PvPer's are just saying NB is OP because they can't block the fear. Sorcs are strong in PvP only if you know what you're doing and if you don't you'll wipe the floor. DK has always been the FOTM.

The real issue with Templar, for my understanding as I don't actually play one, is that a lot of the skill animations are broken atm.

^^^This,

Zsymon wrote: »

Except Templar healing got nerfed so hard that they are barely any better at it than other classes now, it's mostly the healing convenience of Breath of Life, rather than actual healing power. If healing is all you do then roll a Templar, but if you want to change your roles sometimes to fight staleness, other classes are far more suited. Templars can't be used as offensive casters in PvP, and they don't have a single effective offensive skill to support DPS stamina builds, unless you want to give out free CC immunity with Biting Jabs.

^^^ This is just plain wrong, as Templars and other healers go past more than just healing, they also do support, which is vital and Templars have tied for first place for best with DKs. Spear Shards refills everybody's resources quickly and efficiently and DKs can provide everybody with barriers like it's going out of style. In fact, a DK and Templar pair make for perhaps my personal favorite and maybe best healer combo for Trials hands down.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

I'm pretty sure every class switches position in strength every month or two. That's basically the standard in any MMO. Choosing your class based on whether people are currently saying it's overpowered or not is nonsense. Choose your class based on your playstyle, nothing else.

^^^This, very correct, and that's all for now.

Templars make for amazing PvE DPS as Stamina Builds (except Bow, I just can't figure Bow out for ***) and alright DPS for Magicka, and an amazing Healer and Support on various platforms. PvP we need work, but nothing so severe that we're auto-gimped from just simply taking the field as so many would have you think.

timidobserver

Templar tend to get nerfed harshly for whatever reason. For example, Radiant Aura was turned into complete garbage. Our only AoE CC was removed. Healing was nerfed significantly. Our execute was nerfed I think 2 or 3 times before it even left beta and a few times after.

Also, many of our abilities are poorly designed(like the ZOS intern was in charge of designing Templar.) For example, Solar Flare(both morphs), Eclipse(both morphs), Piercing Javelin(both morphs, but more so Aurora), Healing RItual(both morphs), are all garbage.

All of that said. With the Champion System watering the game down and making it easier(IMO this was the ultimate/hidden purpose of the Champion System), if you care to put the effort into forcing it to work, Templar can do anything in the game effectively, but you will probably have an easier time doing anything other than healing with another class.

danno8

There are some really good points in this thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166110/weakest-class-in-pvp/p1

The majority consensus is that they are the weakest PvP class.

You will win some and lose some with all classes, but some classes tilt the scales in your favour to have a better win/loss record.

danno8

Cuyler wrote: »

Templar is FOTM right now.

No they aren't. NB and Sorc are. They must make up well over 80% of PvP classes I see in Cyrodiil.

Templars were FOTM for about 2 weeks in PTS 1.6.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

timidobserver wrote: »

Templar tend to get nerfed harshly for whatever reason. For example, Radiant Aura was turned into complete garbage. Our only AoE CC was removed. Healing was nerfed significantly. Our execute was nerfed I think 2 or 3 times before it even left beta and a few times after.

Also, many of our abilities are poorly designed(like the ZOS intern was in charge of designing Templar.) For example, Solar Flare(both morphs), Eclipse(both morphs), Piercing Javelin(both morphs, but more so Aurora), Healing RItual(both morphs), are all garbage.

All of that said. With the Champion System watering the game down and making it easier(IMO this was the ultimate/hidden purpose of the Champion System), if you care to put the effort into forcing it to work, Templar can do anything in the game effectively, but you will probably have an easier time doing anything other than healing with another class.

Don't forget the Blazing Shield nerfs, PS/BJ hard CC nerf, and the list is going on and on.

Now everyone cries about Radiant Oppression, however is working exactly the same way Wrecking blow does, and everyone looks the other way when mentioning Sorcerer Fragments spam for 9000+ damage each.

Joy_Division

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Templar tend to get nerfed harshly for whatever reason. For example, Radiant Aura was turned into complete garbage. Our only AoE CC was removed. Healing was nerfed significantly. Our execute was nerfed I think 2 or 3 times before it even left beta and a few times after.

Also, many of our abilities are poorly designed(like the ZOS intern was in charge of designing Templar.) For example, Solar Flare(both morphs), Eclipse(both morphs), Piercing Javelin(both morphs, but more so Aurora), Healing RItual(both morphs), are all garbage.

All of that said. With the Champion System watering the game down and making it easier(IMO this was the ultimate/hidden purpose of the Champion System), if you care to put the effort into forcing it to work, Templar can do anything in the game effectively, but you will probably have an easier time doing anything other than healing with another class.

Don't forget the Blazing Shield nerfs, PS/BJ hard CC nerf, and the list is going on and on.

Now everyone cries about Radiant Oppression, however is working exactly the same way Wrecking blow does, and everyone looks the other way when mentioning Sorcerer Fragments spam for 9000+ damage each.

You mean "executioner"

Cuyler

danno8 wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Templar is FOTM right now.

No they aren't. NB and Sorc are. They must make up well over 80% of PvP classes I see in Cyrodiil.

Templars were FOTM for about 2 weeks in PTS 1.6.

And 80% of players need to L2P.

Sotha_Sil

Just don't play alone as templar in PVP as it is mainly a support class. Play stamina-based builds as a DD and it should be fine

Robotmafia

just lvled my Templar to V14 as 2nd char for tanking and healing and I greatly enjoy him haven't tried dps but I hear good things there 2 from some of my temp buddies...

I think all of the classes look like fun and have their own styles, benefits and disadvantages... but I can def recommend a templar

Cinbri

Yes, templar the weakest and so what. Why you choose class depending on it's strength, not play style? If everyone will start choose tougher and easiest to play class, this game would be calling "Era of Sorcs Online".

eliisra

Templar is(imo) the best PvE class in the game. Great tank, immortal solo, best healer, great support, average magicka dps and top stamina dps. So many opportunities to make awesome PvE builds.

But if you're serious about being competitive in PvP, go play another class. Templar shines in PvP groups sure, but nothing else. It's kinda always been the case, but now it's worse than ever. Before 1.6, we could at least cause some trouble solo, roam around and be competitive duellers.

eserras7b16_ESO

Been templar and my /played is something like 50 days i believe...?

Never felt like respeccing, always been strong, lately stronger than ever. Playing my templar main since 4th april 2014.

It is an awesome class

Animal_Mother

Cinbri wrote: »

Yes, templar the weakest and so what. Why you choose class depending on it's strength, not play style? If everyone will start choose tougher and easiest to play class, this game would be calling "Era of Sorcs Online".

^^ I like this.

Too be honest I find the other classes boring and unchallenging. If I can be even somewhat successful with a Templar, I've accomplished something.

Look at the classes the first person to scream "L2P" plays: v14 DK, v14 Sorc and v14 NB; - all an easy boring play; where's Templar sitting in the list - lvl 20. Maybe Templar is too difficult or maybe it sucks running Caldwell's for the 4th time - i'm not one to judge. All I know, if someone is telling me to L2P my class, they have to "walk the walk", before I'll listen to them.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO

having played all the classes at least to V1, I do feel that on paper the templar skill sets look incredible.

However, for whatever reason-- that translation to game doesnt quite feel that way. IMO the templar is super in any sort of group play. But in solo, his skillset doest seem to live up to its billing.

And that being said-- it is for this reason that I have been on him for the last 2 weeks. Im trying to find a way for him to feel and perform like my sorc and dk.

Kupoking

Zsymon wrote: »

Except Templar healing got nerfed so hard that they are barely any better at it than other classes now, it's mostly the healing convenience of Breath of Life, rather than actual healing power. If healing is all you do then roll a Templar, but if you want to change your roles sometimes to fight staleness, other classes are far more suited. Templars can't be used as offensive casters in PvP, and they don't have a single effective offensive skill to support DPS stamina builds, unless you want to give out free CC immunity with Biting Jabs.

Templars heals are bad now? What? Whaaaaaaaaaaat?

You must be joking

bertenburnyb16_ESO

end lvl content if u like healing, Templar is the class for you (or tanking they're also good at)
if u want to be a competitive engame dps.... not so much

Alcast

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

end lvl content if u like healing, Templar is the class for you (or tanking they're also good at)
if u want to be a competitive engame dps.... not so much

Stam Templars are TOP dps. Same single target dps as Magicka Dks and superior AoE capabilities.