Optimal alliance rank for Vigor (poll)

Detector

tengri

5

Yeah, yeah I get that ppl who already have it would try anything to make sure it stays "exclusive" as long as possible.

If I could I would vote rank 1... for every support/assault skill.
Balance is already screwed over big time for non V14/champion 200+ toons, no need to introduce or enforce even more barriers.

Garion

10 (as it is now)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. PvPers have to grind PvE to get decent gear, CP etc. PvErs should have to grind PvP as well. Secondly, vigor is a very strong skill. Trains are already using it to their advantage. Unlock it at rank 5 and give it to everyone (and it really is everyone as rank 5 is so easy to get, and you are simply aggravating the "train" issue and also making perma dodge rolling NBs even harder to kill. It's a really bad idea to make it any lower.

Cody

7

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

jnjdun_ESO

8

8 would be good as that requires a commitment to PvP without making you feel the overpowering need to find the fastest ways to farm AP.

5 is probably too low (even though my alts would dig it)

Detector

8

Hm... 70% of people think about the reduction of rank for Vigor. What ZOS think about this?

Erondil

10 (as it is now)

10 but make it account wide so you dont have to grind AP for months if you make an alt.

Tankqull

9

sth between 8-10 so i voted 9
at 5 it´ll be nerfed into the ground very soon as i makes pve absolutly effortless.

Cagro

5

1 - 4 Not an option?

Germtrocity

8

8 really isn't hard to get at all, got a character up to major in about 3 weeks just solo/duo roaming.

jmoore59

Hmm I think people confuse pvp rank with skill line rank.

6-7 skill line would be fine. That's about pvp rank 14-16

Xael

10 (as it is now)

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

9 months and no vigor? hmmm

Yet you have over 5k forum posts...
I wonder what you are doing wrong *sarcasm*

Emma_Overload

5

The optimal Alliance rank for Vigor is ZERO, because it really should have been in the Fighter's Guild skill line to begin with, probably in place of that useless "Trap Beast" spell.

The only skills in ESO that should be locked behind a godawful Horse Simulator grind are skills that have effects that are only relevant in PvP. The Continuous Attack passive is a good example of this.

Cody

7

Xael wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

9 months and no vigor? hmmm

Yet you have over 5k forum posts...
I wonder what you are doing wrong *sarcasm*

trust me, I have done quite a bit of PvP. Honestly way too much before I started taking these AP classes. in fact for 3 solid months I PvPed for close to 10-14 hours a day. I ussually made forum posts at about midnight or 1-2AM, after I was done for the day.

and yes, i know you were being sarcastic:D

PeggymoeXD

10 (as it is now)

tengri wrote: »

Yeah, yeah I get that ppl who already have it would try anything to make sure it stays "exclusive" as long as possible.

If I could I would vote rank 1... for every support/assault skill.
Balance is already screwed over big time for non V14/champion 200+ toons, no need to introduce or enforce even more barriers.

I don't have it yet, but I have been grinding AP as often as possible. So for the level to be lowered after myself and everyone else who is or has worked towards it already would make us all feel pretty ripped off.

PeggymoeXD

10 (as it is now)

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

lol because 3 more levels is unrealistic of course

Cody

7

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

lol because 3 more levels is unrealistic of course

it is unrealistic for me. it will take me another 6 months MINIMUM to get it, and I simply do not have that time on my hands anymore.

I have PvPed for over 9 months, I should have this ability. Call me entitled or whatever you want.

Xael

10 (as it is now)

Cody wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

lol because 3 more levels is unrealistic of course

it is unrealistic for me. it will take me another 6 months MINIMUM to get it, and I simply do not have that time on my hands anymore.

I have PvPed for over 9 months, I should have this ability. Call me entitled or whatever you want.

I don't know how you can "PvP for 9 months" and not rank up. No offense but if you spent as much time farming AP as you do reading posts, responding to posts, and creating threads, you would be 30+. I am not trying to be an ass, just sayin'. Especially if you were doing 12 hours a day... I mean jeez, that's more than I was doing. There seems to be some major disconnect here...

Sentinel

7

I vote for it to be at rank 7 if it is also toned down a bit. Toned down meaning, the values are the same but do not apply an AOE heal, only a players own heal. Perhaps one morph could be an AoE heal that is then also toned down, but the base should for the player only if it is to be worth its rank.

In addition, I also hope they may open up other options for stamina builds to survive with heals and etc. as the only main stamina heals in the game are within the 2h tree and with Vigor, effectively pigeonholing any who do not work with/to either of these into these playstyles. If there were more options for people running about with just DW and such, it may allow for more build diversity.

Sotha_Sil

8

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

lol because 3 more levels is unrealistic of course

Because the time you spend getting AP from rank 1 to 7 is shorter than what is required from rank 7 to 10.

Cody

7

Xael wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

10 is WAY to high. I've been playing PvP with my VR14 for 9 months and I still do not have vigor.

7 still requires a lot of work, but is not an un-realistic goal

lol because 3 more levels is unrealistic of course

it is unrealistic for me. it will take me another 6 months MINIMUM to get it, and I simply do not have that time on my hands anymore.

I have PvPed for over 9 months, I should have this ability. Call me entitled or whatever you want.

I don't know how you can "PvP for 9 months" and not rank up. No offense but if you spent as much time farming AP as you do reading posts, responding to posts, and creating threads, you would be 30+. I am not trying to be an ass, just sayin'. Especially if you were doing 12 hours a day... I mean jeez, that's more than I was doing. There seems to be some major disconnect here...

ah, but there is the catch... i did not spend time farming AP. I spent time PvPing......

so the fact I cant get the skill unless I spend 3-5 months doing nothing but farming AP is bad. Last I checked, I bought this game to PvP, not farm AP.

Jitterbug

8

I feel like 8 is a good number.
No logical reason why, though...

Lorkhan

10 (as it is now)

i bet vigor will not be the same when they change the alliance rank needed to get it. they will nerf it to the ground.

Lava_Croft

10 (as it is now)

Get out of here with your ideas of having worthwhile rewards for playing PvP!

Soulac

10 (as it is now)

10, not needed to be discussed.
Everyone wants everything as fast as possible.. Do something for a strong skill!

OdinForge

9

Lorkhan wrote: »

i bet vigor will not be the same when they change the alliance rank needed to get it. they will nerf it to the ground.

And then it will be even more useless, people will just continue to use rally from 2H. People seriously overbluff its capabilities, it's so lack luster compared to the reliable burst you get from rally. It heals a lot when I'm doing PvE content, but i never notice it.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

5

Rank 10 is like the top 10% of pvpers. Im pretty sure their is even really good pvpers that don't have that much rank. Really though the only reason I feel it needs to be lower is its pretty essential for a good stamina build. Rally is just really inadequate to deal with the extreme burst. To me it feels like if sorcs had there shield at the end of the alliance war tree, thats kinda bs right? If you all want something to work towards as a pvp goal ask zenimax for unique costumes or mounts, why do you want to gate a really good move behind an epic grind? Fearful of competition? Come on dont be like that.

We all know roll is going to get some sort of nerf,so its really going to be even more important for a stamina build.

Emma_Overload

5

The optimal rank for Vigor is Rank 10... of the Fighters' Guild line!

Considering how long PvE players have been begging for stamina heals, this should have been made readily accessible to ALL from day one. Leveling FG only takes a few days, if that much.

Jules

8

Rank 10 seems high.
Rank 10= Alliance rank 24= 6,918,400 total AP earned


However rank 5 seems far too low.
Rank 5= Alliance rank 9 = 326,400 total AP earned


Vigor is a strong skill and I think it should be earned. This gives reward to higher ranked pvpers and gives incentive to lower ones. With the unlock somewhere around rank 8 or 9 this means people still must spend a good deal of time in pvp to have it. It just isn't as discouraging as having it @ rank 10.

However, if the unlock of vigor does drop to lower level, I really think rank 10's should have some other incentive or great skill exclusive to them. It sets a poor precedent to just lower the unlock level and not give those who have already achieved rank 10 any consolation.

BIackHand

10 (as it is now)

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Cody

7

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Rank 10 is like the top 10% of pvpers. Im pretty sure their is even really good pvpers that don't have that much rank. Really though the only reason I feel it needs to be lower is its pretty essential for a good stamina build. Rally is just really inadequate to deal with the extreme burst. To me it feels like if sorcs had there shield at the end of the alliance war tree, thats kinda bs right? If you all want something to work towards as a pvp goal ask zenimax for unique costumes or mounts, why do you want to gate a really good move behind an epic grind? Fearful of competition? Come on dont be like that.

We all know roll is going to get some sort of nerf,so its really going to be even more important for a stamina build.

I have done 9 months of solid PvP and still do not have vigor:(

i do not mean AP farming, I mean PvP. this game has developed into too much of a grind imo. not saying there should not be grinding... but if i dont have the skill after 9 months of PvP, something is up

Perhaps I just sucked horrendously... but still.

P.S. I always made forum posts either at midnight or very close to midnight, so I was not posting for 7 hours then PVPing for 3. I PvPed for at least 10-12 hours a day, THEN made forum posts.