Bat swarm vs Meteor and their morphs

MrGrim

What are your opinion on Bat Swarm vs Meteor and their morphs :P

Cody

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

Garion

Both have their uses in certain situations.

MrGrim

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

I'm meaning as in using it :P not going against it XD

But about that dodging. can you actually dodge through a batswarm negating some of the damage?

Teargrants

It depends what kind of build you're using, and vs what. Meteor compliments ranged builds, and only use it if you have your own reflect up. Bats compliments melee builds.

MrGrim

well i'm thinking of going a magicka build with sword/board and a destro staff sticking to close combat

m12d12_ESO

Bat Swarm is good on one or multiple players. Though it is not as powerful as it use to be it is handy. Meteor is a one shot, one target ranged damage. Use both. One on each skill slot. I have ran it that way for a long time before rotating Ults.

Cody

MrGrim wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

I'm meaning as in using it :P not going against it XD

But about that dodging. can you actually dodge through a batswarm negating some of the damage?

not a batswarm

MrGrim

m12d12_ESO wrote: »

Bat Swarm is good on one or multiple players. Though it is not as powerful as it use to be it is handy. Meteor is a one shot, one target ranged damage. Use both. One on each skill slot. I have ran it that way for a long time before rotating Ults.

I was thinking about this as well. but i was thinking that if i am going to use the DK leap ult what would be the better ult on my other bar.

Tintinabula

Batswarm can be rolled out of Meteor cannot. Ice comet not only does more damage than shooting star it also knocks down and (roots or slows not looking at the tool tip now)

One you can get away from..one you cannot .

Domander

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

eh.. if you're a nightblade make sure you run cloak... and cloak when you see it coming. It will just miss and do nothing.

Everyone can reflect it, if using a shield.

ball of lightning from sorcs will suck up the meteor also

Block will reduce the damage quite a bit, especially if using a shield.



It would be so useless if you could dodge it, lol.

iseko

Refuse to use meteor in pvp untill they fix it. Its a good ulti though. I use bats all the time.

Lyzaaa

Domander wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

eh.. if you're a nightblade make sure you run cloak... and cloak when you see it coming. It will just miss and do nothing.

Everyone can reflect it, if using a shield.

ball of lightning from sorcs will suck up the meteor also

Block will reduce the damage quite a bit, especially if using a shield.



It would be so useless if you could dodge it, lol.

"it would be so useless if you could dodge it"

LOL and NB's get to "just dodge it"

Sanct16

Clouding Swarm is very good because most players don't notice you and just stand still while you kill them... For whatever reason.

Tankqull

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

meteor is fine the ice comet is completly broken in regards of roll dodging it as it teleports you back into its impact area if you rolled out of it... wich makes blocking the only option to compensate it wich is rediculous with the current block costs if you are not a stamina or a shield(the one tied to your arm not the one arround you) user.

Cody

Domander wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

meteor is annoying as fudge. I think it should be MUCH more easily dodged.

batswarm is fine

eh.. if you're a nightblade make sure you run cloak... and cloak when you see it coming. It will just miss and do nothing.

Everyone can reflect it, if using a shield.

ball of lightning from sorcs will suck up the meteor also

Block will reduce the damage quite a bit, especially if using a shield.



It would be so useless if you could dodge it, lol.

no it would not.....

kijima

I find Batswarm hilarious now, can't remember the last time I died from it.

Roll out of bats (truth be told, I could stay in it if need be) then warm up camo hunter for incoming Lol's

Lava_Croft

Meteor? Cloak! And still die because Cloak won't work/

ToRelax

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Meteor? Cloak! And still die because Cloak won't work/

It should make the Meteor miss even if you are being detected and I know it can - does that not work reliably if you cast the Cloak soon enough?

Lava_Croft

ToRelax wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Meteor? Cloak! And still die because Cloak won't work/

It should make the Meteor miss even if you are being detected and I know it can - does that not work reliably if you cast the Cloak soon enough?

There are more counters to Cloak than I instantly can remember. Hence, casting Cloak to dodge a Meteor is always a lottery.

Tintinabula

yea sadly I see ppl cast bats and I think: "oooo they didn't get the memo "

bloodenragedb14_ESO

bat swarm is useless ever since the ult gen nerf

Kas

Imho the invisibility of clouding swarm dominates meteor by FAR.
While meteor is hard to dodge, it's incredibly easy to reflect and can even be sent into BoL balls.

The damage of clouding swarm is not spectacular either, the invisibility combined with c-rush/suprise attack/wrecking blow/crystal frags/jabs/RD and many more is what makes it strong. Only very few builds are still perma blocking in 1.6.

Selectively going on defense (block/dodge/refresh shields early) is much harder if you don't see stuff coming. Dodging/avoiding a wrecking blow is easy. Doing the same with a WB from invisibility is hell

Tintinabula wrote: »

yea sadly I see ppl cast bats and I think: "oooo they didn't get the memo "

Never had vamp in 1.5 (not sure with in 1.4 or only earlier). Nova was jsut too good with all that balling and stationary fights. I just got vamp now and it's awesome. Sure, I don't deal was much damage as I do by reflecting all those noobish meterors with defensive stance but it's a utiltiy ult.

TBois

Clouding swarm becomes much more viable if your race had the stealthy passive +10% damage in while in stealth

Soulac

ToRelax wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Meteor? Cloak! And still die because Cloak won't work/

It should make the Meteor miss even if you are being detected and I know it can - does that not work reliably if you cast the Cloak soon enough?

Not working if you're marked, but not sure about Potion tho..

accina

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Clouding swarm becomes much more viable if your race had the stealthy passive +10% damage in while in stealth

Does that stealth passive work while invisible?

Soulac

accina wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Clouding swarm becomes much more viable if your race had the stealthy passive +10% damage in while in stealth

Does that stealth passive work while invisible?

Yes

accina

Soulac wrote: »

accina wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Clouding swarm becomes much more viable if your race had the stealthy passive +10% damage in while in stealth

Does that stealth passive work while invisible?

Yes

Nice.
Clouding swarm isn't that bad with sap essence spam, fear or other cc.
It's also great getaway skill if combined with major expedition. Real life safer when things are getting really bad.

Trollwut

MrGrim wrote: »

well i'm thinking of going a magicka build with sword/board and a destro staff sticking to close combat

You should test both ults.
Bat Swarm is a nice AoE damage source. If you go with Devouring Swarm, you can also stand in there without dropping once below 100% health. It's very nice for sustain!
Meteor otherwise adds insane amounts of damage - on hit and after that as AoE, whereby the AoE is negligable.

I wouldn't argue taking one over another because of dodge - if you know how, you can get away from both. It's always a little struggle.

m12d12_ESO wrote: »

Bat Swarm is good on one or multiple players. Though it is not as powerful as it use to be it is handy.

Well if you refer to the heads start, where this ult simply was insanely broken, I hope it remains "not as used to be".

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

bat swarm is useless ever since the ult gen nerf

Why? I run it and can activate it once in every longer fight. I think it's pretty ok.
You can also slot another ult with increased ultimate gain.

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Clouding swarm becomes much more viable if your race had the stealthy passive +10% damage in while in stealth

Are you saying the truth? Or is it only because you use it and want it that way?

I tested it some months ago and I did NOT get sneak bonus on top of it. I've got the bonus from the spells where it say "from invisibility", like the stun from Surprise Attack.

Can you please confirm again, that sneak bonus applies per Clouding Swarm?

TBois

I can test tonight. I was told by someone whose opinion I trust and who normally tests. Only switched two days ago since I was under the impression that clouding swarm doesn't take advantage of the passive

Snit

Now that everyone knows the sound and visual effects from incoming meteors, I've found it to be sub-par against competent players. I suppose it's still useful in zerg clashes, but Barrier or even Dawnbreaker provide good alternatives.