Addons break the balance of Crystal Fragments

Sanjirou

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

TheElementalPlatypus

I have been playing without an addon for 3 months... I have no trouble telling when I have a proc.
Also making it CAST whenever it procs is a HORRIBLE IDEA and would SINGLEHANDEDLY destroy sorcerer.

90% of sorc builds out there use frags as a timed burst with curse/crushing shock

Anyone who willy nilly uses it as soon as it procs normally has a reason such as the enemy was CC'ed/it was nice timing when it proc'd.

I mainly use it for setting up curse - streak - entropy - frags and that allows for much better burst than I could ever pull if it just auto-casted.

BrassRazoo

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

Sanjirou

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

I have been playing without an addon for 3 months... I have no trouble telling when I have a proc.
Also making it CAST whenever it procs is a HORRIBLE IDEA and would SINGLEHANDEDLY destroy sorcerer.

90% of sorc builds out there use frags as a timed burst with curse/crushing shock

Anyone who willy nilly uses it as soon as it procs normally has a reason such as the enemy was CC'ed/it was nice timing when it proc'd.

I mainly use it for setting up curse - streak - entropy - frags and that allows for much better burst than I could ever pull if it just auto-casted.

I meant for it to have a 35% chance to proc, when you cast it.
But thanks for the info that you can tell when it procs without the addon.

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

Oh, didn't know that. My bad I suppose...
Sorry for the thread then. But at least I learned something.

Cinnamon_Spider

Sanjirou wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

Oh, didn't know that. My bad I suppose...
Sorry for the thread then. But at least I learned something.

I think the lesson to learn here is that people that don't play a class should actually learn about that class before calling for nerfs or calling something OP.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

If your hands glow purple, you can insta-cast. No add-on required

Morvul

actually, most addons I know are often wrong about the proc.
If the hands glow purple, Frags is instant.
addons can miss procs, and addons have trouble tracking multiple procs in a short timeframe. addons also sometimes don't notice that you used up your proc.

They certainly help when they actually work, though

Laerwen

Morvul wrote: »

actually, most addons I know are often wrong about the proc.
If the hands glow purple, Frags is instant.
addons can miss procs, and addons have trouble tracking multiple procs in a short timeframe. addons also sometimes don't notice that you used up your proc.

They certainly help when they actually work, though

Doing it correctly has to do with checking the magicka cost of frags. Addons that do it poorly check for the buff.

That said, I write my own addons because I find the stock UI woefully inadequate. There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving players clear information about what buffs and debuffs are active.

Im an older gamer and my vision is not what it used to be. I use Inner Light which makes your hands glow purple and I use Hardened Ward which also makes your whole character glow purple. The audio cue is fine for spamming frags, but if I'm saving one to burst with, It's not always instantly clear to me if I still have a frag ready.

Using particle effects as the ONLY way to communicate all this buff debuff information is bad UI design imho. Large battles are a light show.

Serious question, what should I be looking for to tell if wings or defensive stance is up on my opponent if I did not see them cast it? Is there some sort of particle effect or is it just Meteor Russian Roulette?

Snit

The proc sound is loud and distinctive. It's not quite like Purge, but any barely competent sorc should be able to tell when Frags is up.

Morvul

Laerwen wrote: »

Morvul wrote: »

actually, most addons I know are often wrong about the proc.
If the hands glow purple, Frags is instant.
addons can miss procs, and addons have trouble tracking multiple procs in a short timeframe. addons also sometimes don't notice that you used up your proc.

They certainly help when they actually work, though

Serious question, what should I be looking for to tell if wings or defensive stance is up on my opponent if I did not see them cast it? Is there some sort of particle effect or is it just Meteor Russian Roulette?

Wings gives the DK also an orange "shield", which is mostly orient to the players front and looks like it's made up of a million little orange floating particles.

defensive stance is basically impossible to see: it makes the players surface more reflective while active, like if they are covered in slick oil. But with any other particle effect on top of it, you'r very unlikely to notice the effect in combat

olsborg

Its fairly easy for oponents to sorcs to see when hes got the cf procc, hands glow a bright purple.

Itoq

I have attached a picture of your typical sorcerer in the wild with crystal frags proc'ed. Note the ease of discerning the glowing hands:

Edit: To avoid any confusion I should add one thing. The glowing hands are not the big glowing white ball with the pronounced lens flare effect in the middle of the picture.

Sacadon

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sanjirou wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

Oh, didn't know that. My bad I suppose...
Sorry for the thread then. But at least I learned something.

I think the lesson to learn here is that people that don't play a class should actually learn about that class before calling for nerfs or calling something OP.

^^ especially when you're calling for nerfs of a class you've never played

DisgracefulMind

I can't even....believe you would say that using an addon and getting a Crystal Fragments alert is even comparable to cheating. I use addons, but I usually listen for my audio queue on my instant cast, as there's a bug right now anyways that doesn't allow you to see that you have a frag up, and won't highlight on the skill bar.

Seriously, don't post on something you know absolutely nothing about. These Sorc qq threads are just getting thirsty now.

Erock25

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I can't even....believe you would say that using an addon and getting a Crystal Fragments alert is even comparable to cheating. I use addons, but I usually listen for my audio queue on my instant cast, as there's a bug right now anyways that doesn't allow you to see that you have a frag up, and won't highlight on the skill bar.

Seriously, don't post on something you know absolutely nothing about. These Sorc qq threads are just getting thirsty now.

It is hilarious that this type of thing is on the forums. It is even funnier that then other people say, 'Well look at all the SOrc nerf threads. The amount of threads means that it is undeniable proof that Sorc is OP!" People who do not have a clue what is going on post on these forums all the time.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

Do you see her hands? You most certainly can tell when it procs. Plus there is a distinct sound as well. Just because some sorc killed you in PvP doesn't mean they cheated.

Tankqull

shane.roberts25b14_ESO wrote: »

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

If your hands glow purple, you can insta-cast. No add-on required

you have aswell a significant sound indicating the proc.

Saft

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments

You got it wrong at start, there is no balance with Crystal Fragments
If it were we would't have nerf Fragments Topics over and over and over on pvp forum.

wraith808

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

There's actually 2 visual cues plus the audible cue. The aura around the hands, the ability illuminates, and you get the noise. They didn't mean for you to miss it. Others are just making it more obvious since their cues are lackluster.

Sanjirou

Um, guys. It's ok now.
As I said earlier, it was a mistake on my part here. Sorry. -_-

I thought the game sees the proc just as a chance and does not give any clues regarding the time when it actually procs. Now I know better.
And this was the only reason why I felt cheated, but now that I understand the mechanics I of course won't say that anymore.

I should have asked first... (or tested it properly).
So again now. I don't want to nerf anyone.

Thank you for all your replies and for teaching me. ^^

eventide03b14a_ESO

Sanjirou wrote: »

Um, guys. It's ok now.
As I said earlier, it was a mistake on my part here. Sorry. -_-

I thought the game sees the proc just as a chance and does not give any clues regarding the time when it actually procs. Now I know better.
And this was the only reason why I felt cheated, but now that I understand the mechanics I of course won't say that anymore.

I should have asked first... (or tested it properly).
So again now. I don't want to nerf anyone.

Thank you for all your replies and for teaching me. ^^

I wish more people would admit when they are wrong with sorcs.

Master_Fluff

How odd. I've never ever noticed this handglowing thing or loud noise when I play my sorcerers. And yes, Crystal Fragments is unlocked and graphic settings somewhere between high and ultra. ???

Ezareth

Sanjirou wrote: »

Um, guys. It's ok now.
As I said earlier, it was a mistake on my part here. Sorry. -_-

I thought the game sees the proc just as a chance and does not give any clues regarding the time when it actually procs. Now I know better.
And this was the only reason why I felt cheated, but now that I understand the mechanics I of course won't say that anymore.

I should have asked first... (or tested it properly).
So again now. I don't want to nerf anyone.

Thank you for all your replies and for teaching me. ^^

Finally.

One who was saved out of the multitude. Narrow is the path indeed.

Walk with the Jesus Beam my son.

DisgracefulMind

At least you have admitted your mistake and are now enlightened. If only the masses would be similar. ^__^

wraith808

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

How odd. I've never ever noticed this handglowing thing or loud noise when I play my sorcerers. And yes, Crystal Fragments is unlocked and graphic settings somewhere between high and ultra. ???

Do you see the one on your skill bar? The ability should start to glow also.

MissBizz

wraith808 wrote: »

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

There's actually 2 visual cues plus the audible cue. The aura around the hands, the ability illuminates, and you get the noise. They didn't mean for you to miss it. Others are just making it more obvious since their cues are lackluster.

I use add-ons AND play a sorc. I didn't ever notice either.. haha. Awesome! Thanks!

Emma_Overload

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

What on earth are you talking about? You don't need an add-on to tell you when CF procs, you just need to listen for the "chime" or watch for the purple glow!

Please, moderators, delete this entire thread for spreading misinformation.

ViolenceUndone

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Sanjirou wrote: »

I think the balance of Crystal Fragments is broken just because of addons which tell you when the skill procs.
The tooltip says that you should have a 35% chance, not a 100% chance.
Without Add-Ons its impossible to actually know when to use that skill and have a 100% chance for it to be instantly cast.

I would even say that using those kind of addons in regard to this skill is cheating because you get information that you normally don't have and the game doesn't even want to provide at all.

Maybe it would be better to change the way the 35% chance applies. Like "on every use you have a 35% chance that your Crystal Fragments will be cast instantly, will do 20% more damage, and will cost 50% less Magicka."
This simple change would make every sorcerer think twice before using that skill and it would also make other skills like Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock more useful.

At least this is how it feels to me right now. Any argument that might change that? Thank you in advance!

What on earth are you talking about? You don't need an add-on to tell you when CF procs, you just need to listen for the "chime" or watch for the purple glow!

Please, moderators, delete this entire thread for spreading misinformation.

Perhaps you should read the whole thread before replying so you'd realize that he found out he was wrong about the mechanics, admitted it, and then realize that's it's good for this thread to stay here so anybody else that thought the same thing can also be informed.

Laerwen

Lightning Form
Inner Light
Curse
Hardened Ward
Magicka Detonation

All make you glow purple! Im not trying to squint through all that, sorry.

I play zoomed all the way out, my vision isn't the best, and there are a million other things glowing and flashing. I have NEVER seen the action bar icon light up. I've tested it, and it most certainly is not lit up in the above picture. Whoever is saying that it does is wrong.

The audio cue is great for spamming frags, but a clear indicator is a fantastic thing for bursting after youve been cc'd, repositioned yourself on the battlefield, waited for wings to fade, or any number of reasons you had to hold on to your frag proc for longer than five seconds.

Tiitus

Laerwen wrote: »

Lightning Form
Inner Light
Curse
Hardened Ward
Magicka Detonation



I have NEVER seen the action bar icon light up. I've tested it, and it most certainly is not lit up in the above picture. Whoever is saying that it does is wrong.

https://youtu.be/kK9nFFNYtC4?t=244
yur wrong. at 4:06 cf on ability bar glows (this guy has horrible latency so the visual que on his bar is a bit off with his procs) my guess is those who do not see it prob turned it off through i different setting in the sttings menu.

Turelus

BrassRazoo wrote: »

There is an audible and visual queue when it is ready for instant cast.

This, I don't use addons for it and I know when to cast on my sorc because her arms have giant glowing crystals floating around them.