Coldharbor Seige and the latest form of griefing

Merlin13KAGL

It seems the seige has turned a pretty shade of blue.

I'll give ZoS creativity credit for trying to get people to have at the anchors (translated to: Please go anywhere else but combat situations.), it does seem to lead to the latest form of griefing, however.

Apparently the thing now is to wait until someone's cleared the anchor but not yet opened the chest.

A little honor even in war would go a long way here - perhaps the other party doesn't even realize they're doing it (they don't see the chest.)

A 5-10 second no-combat timer or an insta-award (opening the chest is just an extra step at this point) would remedy this.

At least make the chest visible to the other party, so they have the option of waiting to engage.

I take no issue with combat, and will happily engage anyone that wishes, but if the timing is intentional, it's right up there with camping quest hubs.

Zargorius

That sounds like a perfectly valid ambush tactic. Honour is dead man's code.

DisgracefulMind

No way, this is the funnest part of Dolmen hunting now!!! The enemy thinks they're safe, they go to get their chest, BAM, combat engaged. Now you need to fight for your loot. Cyrodiil IS A PVP ZONE. Why would you expect people to NOT do this? ;3

technohic

There's only one thing I need to ask myself at this point. Do I want to level my NB or my Sorc with intention to gank for this exact thing?

DisgracefulMind

technohic wrote: »

There's only one thing I need to ask myself at this point. Do I want to level my NB or my Sorc with intention to gank for this exact thing?

Sorc. Streak through them while they're fighting the last Dolmen boss. Start lol'ing as they try to figure out wtf just happened, kill them while they try to kill the boss whilst searching frantically for the unknown enemy. Continue to lol as they die, you finish off the boss, get the chest, and then streak into the distance. ;D

Merlin13KAGL

Suppose I should clarify. 1v1, fair game.

I also suppose it can go both ways, keeping backup in stealth nearby.

To be fair, it they're really wanting to go this route, the chest should be available to whomever remains, yes?

DisgracefulMind

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Suppose I should clarify. 1v1, fair game.

I also suppose it can go both ways, keeping backup in stealth nearby.

To be fair, it they're really wanting to go this route, the chest should be available to whomever remains, yes?

We were wiping this group of like way more than our two last night at Dolmens. Stealing the chests at the last boss and had really good PvP going. The group would always come back or go to the next Dolmen. We would intercept, or find them somewhere near the Dolmens again and have full on war. It was amazing. Best PvP I've had in awhile. I don't see anything wrong with someone using this strat that you're mad about. It's Cyrodiil, it's PvP. Come on.

Merlin13KAGL

@DisgracefulMind , I'm not mad at all. In fact, I would expect to be engaged during as opposed to after. It's just a little different than how I'd personally do it.

It's all good. If nothing else, this can serve as a public service message. (Its at least as useful as the Slaughterfish Warning tacked to a tree, right?)

Besides, I never said I didn't make them earn it, did I?

Kupoking

This is why I carry dtect pots and scout around before starting a dolmen. I do the same right before the boss drops.

Ezareth

I had a couple of people jump me while I was mid-dolmen fight yesterday. I was of course hoping and expecting that since I was in Cyrodiil someone would try to do just that. After dispatching them both and the daedra who were attacking as well I finished the dolmen and got my first Coldharbor stone treb.

My initial reaction to all of this is pretty positive. PvP in Delves is amazing, PvP at dolmens is awesome. These additions are adding to the small group combat that we've all been waiting for. I haven't actively taken part of a siege while solo in some time and I'm loving it.

Psilent

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Suppose I should clarify. 1v1, fair game.

I also suppose it can go both ways, keeping backup in stealth nearby.

To be fair, it they're really wanting to go this route, the chest should be available to whomever remains, yes?

We were wiping this group of like way more than our two last night at Dolmens. Stealing the chests at the last boss and had really good PvP going. The group would always come back or go to the next Dolmen. We would intercept, or find them somewhere near the Dolmens again and have full on war. It was amazing. Best PvP I've had in awhile. I don't see anything wrong with someone using this strat that you're mad about. It's Cyrodiil, it's PvP. Come on.

You would think the group would have kept an eye open for you after the 2nd time.

Every dolmen I do, I am always looking around for gankers.

Lava_Croft

Griefing? Sounds more like a very valid and (I speak from experience) very entertaining way to get your Cold siege!

Vizier

Maybe you need to have some scouting your flanks eh? Quit asking for someone to hold your hand.

Merlin13KAGL

Ezareth wrote: »

I had a couple of people jump me while I was mid-dolmen fight yesterday. I was of course hoping and expecting that since I was in Cyrodiil someone would try to do just that. After dispatching them both and the daedra who were attacking as well I finished the dolmen and got my first Coldharbor stone treb.

My initial reaction to all of this is pretty positive. PvP in Delves is amazing, PvP at dolmens is awesome. These additions are adding to the small group combat that we've all been waiting for. I haven't actively taken part of a siege while solo in some time and I'm loving it.

@Ezareth , indeed. It's one of their more brilliant additions, I'd say and the reward is a nice one. Someone was fairly clever with this one, trying to kill 2, maybe 3 birds with one stone.

I would like to be able to aggro NPC/monsters and kite them past my assailant (CC'd preferably) and have them switch focus.

I got my first taste of this when a big yellow ball dropped on my reward chest followed by a circle of red that wouldn't be there post daedra clear...

I rolled out of the NKR (Not Quite Right) and proceeded to do the same as you. I wasn't surprised at the engagement. I was surprised that they had waited as long as they did.

Merlin13KAGL

Vizier wrote: »

Maybe you need to have some scouting your flanks eh? Quit asking for someone to hold your hand.

Already said it could work both ways. Perhaps you should read the entire thread.

Ezareth

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had a couple of people jump me while I was mid-dolmen fight yesterday. I was of course hoping and expecting that since I was in Cyrodiil someone would try to do just that. After dispatching them both and the daedra who were attacking as well I finished the dolmen and got my first Coldharbor stone treb.

My initial reaction to all of this is pretty positive. PvP in Delves is amazing, PvP at dolmens is awesome. These additions are adding to the small group combat that we've all been waiting for. I haven't actively taken part of a siege while solo in some time and I'm loving it.

@Ezareth , indeed. It's one of their more brilliant additions, I'd say and the reward is a nice one. Someone was fairly clever with this one, trying to kill 2, maybe 3 birds with one stone.

I would like to be able to aggro NPC/monsters and kite them past my assailant (CC'd preferably) and have them switch focus.

I got my first taste of this when a big yellow ball dropped on my reward chest followed by a circle of red that wouldn't be there post daedra clear...

I rolled out of the NKR (Not Quite Right) and proceeded to do the same as you. I wasn't surprised at the engagement. I was surprised that they had waited as long as they did.

Yeah I actually used an anchor point to fully restore my resources mid fight against those two people which adds a whole new level of PvP strategy to Dolmen fights. It was a pretty fun fight.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Merlin13KAGL

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I actually used an anchor point to fully restore my resources mid fight against those two people which adds a whole new level of PvP strategy to Dolmen fights. It was a pretty fun fight.

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I think there are still some people out there that don't realize the pins do that.

Xexpo

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I actually used an anchor point to fully restore my resources mid fight against those two people which adds a whole new level of PvP strategy to Dolmen fights. It was a pretty fun fight.

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I think there are still some people out there that don't realize the pins do that.

Stop making up stories.

DisgracefulMind

Psilent wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Suppose I should clarify. 1v1, fair game.

I also suppose it can go both ways, keeping backup in stealth nearby.

To be fair, it they're really wanting to go this route, the chest should be available to whomever remains, yes?

We were wiping this group of like way more than our two last night at Dolmens. Stealing the chests at the last boss and had really good PvP going. The group would always come back or go to the next Dolmen. We would intercept, or find them somewhere near the Dolmens again and have full on war. It was amazing. Best PvP I've had in awhile. I don't see anything wrong with someone using this strat that you're mad about. It's Cyrodiil, it's PvP. Come on.

You would think the group would have kept an eye open for you after the 2nd time.

Every dolmen I do, I am always looking around for gankers.

Seeing as Thorn is dead dead dead, I think they may have also been enjoying the PvP :P

Bouvin

Griefing in the PvP zone.

Are you serious OP?

golfer.dub17_ESO

Not griefing, still a *** move.

xaraan

Not really griefing to stop enemy players from possibly getting great equipment, it's actually what should be done. But I agree it's a little *** to wait until after you kill the boss to do it, it would at least be smarter to try and jump in during the boss fight so they have a chance at getting their own chest. Of course, I also don't see it as a negative for ZoS to encourage smaller scale fights around the map as a solution to zerg lag.

Merlin13KAGL

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Not griefing, still a *** move.

This.

xaraan wrote: »

Not really griefing to stop enemy players from possibly getting great equipment, it's actually what should be done. But I agree it's a little *** to wait until after you kill the boss to do it, it would at least be smarter to try and jump in during the boss fight so they have a chance at getting their own chest. Of course, I also don't see it as a negative for ZoS to encourage smaller scale fights around the map as a solution to zerg lag.

@xaraan, tactically, I get it. And your version makes more sense when it would be about fighting for the gear.

In this particular instance, it's more about the (enemy's choice in) timing, I guess.

"All is fair in love and war." I get it. All good.

xaraan

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Not griefing, still a *** move.

This.

xaraan wrote: »

Not really griefing to stop enemy players from possibly getting great equipment, it's actually what should be done. But I agree it's a little *** to wait until after you kill the boss to do it, it would at least be smarter to try and jump in during the boss fight so they have a chance at getting their own chest. Of course, I also don't see it as a negative for ZoS to encourage smaller scale fights around the map as a solution to zerg lag.

@xaraan, tactically, I get it. And your version makes more sense when it would be about fighting for the gear.

In this particular instance, it's more about the (enemy's choice in) timing, I guess.

"All is fair in love and war." I get it. All good.

Yeah, probably just my expectation. They are there to kill me, who cares if they grief me in the process. Would be nice if the loot stayed around a bit and you had a chance to sneak back and get the chest after respawning though.

Merlin13KAGL

xaraan wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Not griefing, still a *** move.

This.

xaraan wrote: »

Not really griefing to stop enemy players from possibly getting great equipment, it's actually what should be done. But I agree it's a little *** to wait until after you kill the boss to do it, it would at least be smarter to try and jump in during the boss fight so they have a chance at getting their own chest. Of course, I also don't see it as a negative for ZoS to encourage smaller scale fights around the map as a solution to zerg lag.

@xaraan, tactically, I get it. And your version makes more sense when it would be about fighting for the gear.

In this particular instance, it's more about the (enemy's choice in) timing, I guess.

"All is fair in love and war." I get it. All good.

Yeah, probably just my expectation. They are there to kill me, who cares if they grief me in the process. Would be nice if the loot stayed around a bit and you had a chance to sneak back and get the chest after respawning though.

I'll do you one better, let them have the gear, but tag it, and let us track them down and get it back

AssaultLemming

It's not griefing in the slightest. It's PvP in a PvP zone. How terribly unfortunate for you that the PvP happened at that time. But it's not griefing, it's war.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It seems the seige has turned a pretty shade of blue.

I'll give ZoS creativity credit for trying to get people to have at the anchors (translated to: Please go anywhere else but combat situations.), it does seem to lead to the latest form of griefing, however.

Apparently the thing now is to wait until someone's cleared the anchor but not yet opened the chest.

A little honor even in war would go a long way here - perhaps the other party doesn't even realize they're doing it (they don't see the chest.)

A 5-10 second no-combat timer or an insta-award (opening the chest is just an extra step at this point) would remedy this.

At least make the chest visible to the other party, so they have the option of waiting to engage.

I take no issue with combat, and will happily engage anyone that wishes, but if the timing is intentional, it's right up there with camping quest hubs.

ganking people people pve'ing a chest is not griefing.... its pvp

Merlin13KAGL

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

ganking people people pve'ing a chest is not griefing.... its pvp

@dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO, ganking is another subject entirely.

You and both know it ceases to be a PvE chest when you're going after the seige within.

As already stated, it's all good. It's going to happen. It's to be expected, & tactically there are reasons for denying said equipment.

Dolmens were closed long ago and I have plenty of deadra skulls on my mantle, so your 'PvE' argument can go elsewhere.

I'm here for the same reason you are.

RinaldoGandolphi

Ahh just another gank spot. I don't see the big deal

Rune_Relic

Ambush is a valid tactic in warfare.
Ambush the Ambush

Lava_Croft

It's such fun to dump some Fire Trebuchet shots at a raid doing a Dolmen. And after they left, still get to loot the chest!