Players with very high pvp ratings

crowfl56

Has anyone else noticed just how many EP and DC players have a pvp level rating of over 30 ?

I know that most gained this by using a exploit in the very beginning (launch) of this game.

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

Now having said this, these high level pvp players are dang good, they live in pvp and know just how to use their pvp level skills to the max.

Another problem with these elite pvp players is they will move from campaign to campaign and control the scoring of said campaign.

Oh yes there are guild's of elite pvp players on EP and DC, and they just love to show off their skills

Just to give you an example just look at what EP and DC guilds that played on Azura's NA this weekend.

Talk about control.

Most everytime I died, and trust me I'm a very easy kill, the pvp rating was 30+.

I would think some sort of campaign control, no campaign jumping, If you have a campaign home, you can use the guest option to join a campaign, but this travel to player option in pvp needs to end.

IMO

cozmon3c_ESO

look man, we all need to escape the lagspam zergs so we go to different campaigns to get away from it, and i am over 30 with out an exploit. they didnt exploit either, they just farmed ap in a large zerg going from keep defense to keep defense alternating sides of the map and pushed out when the other side of the map wasnt under attack. i did it by ganking lanes not really even participating in the laggy keep battles. if there is an exploit please share because if you kill trade you will not get very far compared to getting fresh kills on the battlefield.

Draxys

The travel to player is another issue entirely, but PvP rank itself doesn't matter a whole lot. Second level combat frenzy is very nice, I'll admit, but it didn't all of the sudden make me into a PvP god when I got it. Group synergy and coordination matters the most.

cozmon3c_ESO

Draxys wrote: »

The travel to player is another issue entirely, but PvP rank itself doesn't matter a whole lot. Second level combat frenzy is very nice, I'll admit, but it didn't all of the sudden make me into a PvP god when I got it. Group synergy and coordination matters the most.

i personally hope they lift this home guest campaigne thing, if i want to go to a server i should be able too. i shouldnt have to back door with the travel to friend thing.

Cypriot122

If you have been playing since launch and have been pvping since launch i would say a PVP rank of 30 is low! That is without any of these exploits you are talking about...

Sharee

crowfl56 wrote: »

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

I disagree. My main is alliance rank 22. I am not running with a guild, only playing solo, and i have four alts that i am also spending a lot of time on. If i was focusing solely on the main, and ran with an organized group, my rank would be way over 30.

AhPook_Is_Here

crowfl56 wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed just how many EP and DC players have a pvp level rating of over 30 ?

I know that most gained this by using a exploit in the very beginning (launch) of this game.

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

This is a perfect example of the byproducts of cognitive dissonance. When the brain cannot accept that others might be doing something more effective than them the brain makes excuses as to why it hasn't preformed as well starting with the premise that others operate on easier rule sets than them. The truth is that if you have played on a previously non-competitive campaign like azuras, or chillrend or hadarus, you likely got less than 1/10 the daily AP competitive players were making on Thornblade. It was easy to make 250k ap a day just pvping, and I have seen people make more than a million on busy days with lots of player participation. Those number represent the last week on thornblade before AD and DC quit, long after things like tower camping blood porters was a thing of the past.

There are a lot of people who re-rolled other factions 3 to 4 months ago and are already past rank 30.

Huntler

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed just how many EP and DC players have a pvp level rating of over 30 ?

I know that most gained this by using a exploit in the very beginning (launch) of this game.

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

This is a perfect example of the byproducts of cognitive dissonance. When the brain cannot accept that others might be doing something more effective than them the brain makes excuses as to why it hasn't preformed as well starting with the premise that others operate on easier rule sets than them. The truth is that if you have played on a previously non-competitive campaign like azuras, or chillrend or hadarus, you likely got less than 1/10 the daily AP competitive players were making on Thornblade. It was easy to make 250k ap a day just pvping, and I have seen people make more than a million on busy days with lots of player participation. Those number represent the last week on thornblade before AD and DC quit, long after things like tower camping blood porters was a thing of the past.

There are a lot of people who re-rolled other factions 3 to 4 months ago and are already past rank 30.

Ding ding ding. Lol at the idea of everyone with 30+ rank are used some exploit. Nope, sorry friend.

Ezareth

I'd rather eviscerate myself than mindlessly grind AP in a laggy ass zerg on zerg battle. Killing loads of players is fun in a group but your overall success or failure is rarely decided by your individual ability.

I've made a hell of a lot less AP than most AP grinders for ages but the way I see it once you've unlocked your Assault/Support Passives more AP is just carebear titles and E-peen. I'll get Rank 50 eventually but no need to rush or concern myself with who else is a higher rank than me.

One thing that I do note which is BS is the fact that experience for kills is *not* being split among your group. Everyone apparently gets max EXP which puts soloers like myself at a major disadvantage on experience gained compared to group zerg farmers. If anything that needs fixed or solo kills need their exp gains increased significantly.

FireCowCommando

i took a break from the game for 9 months, and im rank 29 right now. While these experienced players you are referring to would absolutely beyond anything love for the ability to go head to head, in an organized manner, such as arena's or battlegrounds, the game does not give us these options.

So the next best thing is to run around trying to find good fights, of course the best fights 'almost' never happen on the most populated campaign SIMPLY because of server stability or extreme zerg ball strategy. This is why you see a huge amount of guilds guesting around in different campaigns, simply put, they want to find good fights without the server taking a nose dive.

Good players + skippy server = no way to actually use your talents to the maximum

AltusVenifus

Ezareth wrote: »

I'd rather eviscerate myself than mindlessly grind AP in a laggy ass zerg on zerg battle. Killing loads of players is fun in a group but your overall success or failure is rarely decided by your individual ability.

I've made a hell of a lot less AP than most AP grinders for ages but the way I see it once you've unlocked your Assault/Support Passives more AP is just carebear titles and E-peen. I'll get Rank 50 eventually but no need to rush or concern myself with who else is a higher rank than me.

One thing that I do note which is BS is the fact that experience for kills is *not* being split among your group. Everyone apparently gets max EXP which puts soloers like myself at a major disadvantage on experience gained compared to group zerg farmers. If anything that needs fixed or solo kills need their exp gains increased significantly.

I've always thought that grouping up shouldn't help you farm AP. If you tag a player with damage or heals you should get AP, but if your group kills someone while you are picking flowers, you shouldn't get AP.

I also think it would spread people out more.

tcgoetzub17_ESO

crowfl56 wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed just how many EP and DC players have a pvp level rating of over 30 ?

I know that most gained this by using a exploit in the very beginning (launch) of this game.

say what?

crowfl56 wrote: »

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

Played a single toon from launch. Mostly solo. Currently alliance rank 27.

crowfl56 wrote: »

Just to give you an example just look at what EP and DC guilds that played on Azura's NA this weekend.

Homed on Chilly. Played on Azuras on Sunday. The players on Azuras were very squishy. Mainly PVE players?

crowfl56 wrote: »

I would think some sort of campaign control, no campaign jumping, If you have a campaign home, you can use the guest option to join a campaign, but this travel to player option in pvp needs to end.

Disagree. Don't lock us into a campaign where nothing is going on. Let us go where the action is.

AhPook_Is_Here

It's actually an interesting experiment in virtual natural selection, a bunch of high-end predators are introduced into an ecosystem that had no predators and the ecosystem is #rekt. Thornblade players are like a mass of Asian Carp let loose in your fishing hole.

Rylana

Only a few players, most of whom are gone, exploited the old bugged quests and scout missions.

The vast majority of the AvA 24+ people you see out there, especially the ones over 30, have just been in Cyrodiil for a year farming AP everywhere they go. The ones that knew about defense ticks, the ones that knew about diminishing returns, the ones that actually could get kills and were able to generate a constant flow when they were on.

I have an AvA 24, two 19s, and an 18. Combined that puts me around 35 or so, I never once exploited. I just played the game, and have virtually lived in Cyrodiil since launch.

Armitas

I have 26 hours a week to play, and I joined my first pvp guild a month ago. Beforehand I pvped in 3 and 4 man groups with the occasional pug raid. Some of my time is spent PvEing (a lot actually as I'm at 13k for achievement points). I am rank 30 and I didn't exploit to get there. I even got emperor in my allotted playtime.

I have no idea where you are getting your rank expectations from, or why you think DC and EP are the majority offenders of an undisclosed exploit.

Teargrants

Hot damn, so now playing the game is exploiting. And I thought I'd seen it all from the forum QQrs.

eliisra

Ezareth wrote: »

One thing that I do note which is BS is the fact that experience for kills is *not* being split among your group. Everyone apparently gets max EXP which puts soloers like myself at a major disadvantage on experience gained compared to group zerg farmers. If anything that needs fixed or solo kills need their exp gains increased significantly.

No, everyone isn't getting max exp. It's the same reward system as in PvE. Best exp is solo or duo "grinding" when there's no allies nearby. Reason you get minimum exp while solo, or same as the guys in a group, is because there's people nearby tagging all the kills with uncapped AoE.

The players that contributes the most towards the kill, will get the exp. Dmg contribution counts first, than whether you're in the same group as someone. I believe the cap is 12 players, when getting exp rewarded from a kill.

Ezareth

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

One thing that I do note which is BS is the fact that experience for kills is *not* being split among your group. Everyone apparently gets max EXP which puts soloers like myself at a major disadvantage on experience gained compared to group zerg farmers. If anything that needs fixed or solo kills need their exp gains increased significantly.

No, everyone isn't getting max exp. It's the same reward system as in PvE. Best exp is solo or duo "grinding" when there's no allies nearby. Reason you get minimum exp while solo, or same as the guys in a group, is because there's people nearby tagging all the kills with uncapped AoE.

The players that contributes the most towards the kill, will get the exp. Dmg contribution counts first, than whether you're in the same group as someone. I believe the cap is 12 players, when getting exp rewarded from a kill.

I kill someone solo out in the middle of a field and get 900 or so ap and 2k exp. My group of 8 people kills the same guy and I get like 70 AP and 2000 exp. I could be off, it is rare I join a group but this seems to be the case for me since 1.6

In duo PvE there is a 10% exp bonus for 2 then it is dropped by 1/3 at 3 and more beyond that

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

My main characters level is 38 with no exploiting. I literally do nothing but PvP. Cant stand PvE so I spend ALL my time in Cyrodill. And there are plenty of people higher than I am that I am pretty sure they didnt exploit either. We have just been playing since early release.

Soulac

Well the only thing i do in Eso is pvp, but most of the time i just duel, so I won´t get that much AP.
Im sitting at Alliance Rank 35 right now, while one of our grp is already Rank 46.. how? Well we kill stuff, much stuff.

Draxys

Soulac wrote: »

Well the only thing i do in Eso is pvp, but most of the time i just duel, so I won´t get that much AP.
Im sitting at Alliance Rank 35 right now, while one of our grp is already Rank 46.. how? Well we kill stuff, much stuff.

much kill, very stuff

Soulac

Draxys wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Well the only thing i do in Eso is pvp, but most of the time i just duel, so I won´t get that much AP.
Im sitting at Alliance Rank 35 right now, while one of our grp is already Rank 46.. how? Well we kill stuff, much stuff.

much kill, very stuff

cozmon3c_ESO

The key is to get a 24 man zerg ball and have everyone follow crown with aoe's, thats how the supposed leet do it.

LegacyDM

These people live in their mothers basement drinking mountain dew and play 15+ hours a day with no job/life. Or they play from another country and become a statistic that we hear about from playing 3 days straight in an Internet gaming cafe. Ooo and they share their account too when they do actually have to go out so it's constantly accruing pvp points. For us normal people who have jobs, kids, or a life, we should be in high teens/20s which would be on par for the course.

Fear the neckbeard....

Seri

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

For us normal people who have jobs, kids, or a life, we should be in high teens/20s which would be on par for the course.

I dunno. I've only been playing PvP since ~November, have a full time job, live in my own home, weekend activities, play outside US prime-time (Oceanic based), and am AR22. Fully plausible for those playing since launch to easily be AR30.

LegacyDM

Seri wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

For us normal people who have jobs, kids, or a life, we should be in high teens/20s which would be on par for the course.

I dunno. I've only been playing PvP since ~November, have a full time job, live in my own home, weekend activities, play outside US prime-time (Oceanic based), and am AR22. Fully plausible for those playing since launch to easily be AR30.

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Vis

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

These people live in their mothers basement drinking mountain dew and play 15+ hours a day with no job/life. Or they play from another country and become a statistic that we hear about from playing 3 days straight in an Internet gaming cafe. Ooo and they share their account too when they do actually have to go out so it's constantly accruing pvp points. For us normal people who have jobs, kids, or a life, we should be in high teens/20s which would be on par for the course.

Fear the neckbeard....

Yeah, not sure how accurate this is. I am finishing my graduate degree in April, am married, have a two year old daughter, and a job in a lab. I have only played 6 months over the past year and am nearly rank 25 on my main.

Area51Visitor

Many of these guilds you're talking about are as frustrated with the lag as everyone else. They often switch to avoid it. Most simply want to enjoy the game, just as you do, and for them that's gaining ranks. I would offer an alternative view and say that all PVP has to offer is gaining ranks, and when you reach max rank (which a few have), the only reason to log on is not for character development or to beat a game, but simply take a keep that will be taken back that night, or morning you're sleeping.
Don't get me wrong, I love PVP... it's tons of fun in group, and solo, though can be frustrating at times. But a sorcs ability to stack shields endlessly to essentially have 60K health buff has bugged me way more than a Grand Warlord who's actually had to work pretty hard to gain their title, in spite of what you might think. They get harassed, targeted (and not only for the achievement), and articles posted about their efforts like this one.
My advice: focus on your own game play, your own style, what makes the game fun for you, and do that.

olsborg

Im pvp rank 33, Ive played almost exclusively solo, with the odd duo and maybe a few group events here and there. No exploit, just small scale pvp and ganking. I try to stay away from sieges as much as I can.

WhiskeyJac

Its Ok to enjoy the game , but coming with a huge zerg turning the map to one color and leaving campaign , trolling the players by holding on to the scroll in their home keep for hours and just farm ap is not very enjoyable for the opponents.

I can see that they are all good very players , i am in azura i am talking about the new red and blue zerg that travel to the campaign and kill us , i learned a lot from these good players and exciting to go against good players (even though i die) , if you want to showoff your skills its ok but please don't troll us with scroll shenanigans and just turn the map completely when no one is online , it just drives ppl away from PVP and ultimately u wont have ap to gain.

I am in AD i dont know if AD also did the same if so my bad for saying this, i am a bit new to PVP and just wanted to express.

pppontus

crowfl56 wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed just how many EP and DC players have a pvp level rating of over 30 ?

I know that most gained this by using a exploit in the very beginning (launch) of this game.

I would say if you didn't use that exploit your pvp level max should maybe be in the low 20's or high teen's.

Are you *** serious? Can everyone just stop blaming their inability to compete on exploits?

I have 5 different characters all of varying ranks, total gained AP is something like 5-6 mil.. so yeah low 20's.. but here's the point: I have barely even played PvP. Lol. I took a break from PvP for like 9-10 months because of all the lag/***/crap going on. Additionally, I only play like 3-4 hours a day.

People having a high alliance rank has nothing to do with exploits, they are just good (large amount of ap/hr) or play alot. Or both. Apart from that guy who apparently earned 18 million in 30 seconds, I don't know what exploits you could possibly mean. Sure there was the BRK glitch but that 750 extra AP per keep really didn't mean crap in comparison to what AP you gain killing loads of players.