PVP: Im nightblade vr5 and has no chance fighting people in vr12

Abbon

Im full vr1 pvp purple gear, with blue vr5 rings, weapons, but I have 0 chance of standing a chance fighting everyone else. Im nightblade, and my damage is good in pve mobs, but in terms of pvp, im almost useless. Im wearing leather gear atm with 10k Defense, and its really useless. Dragon knights dont die, Templar dont die, and freakin sorcerer kill be before even move lol.

Non veteran Cyrodiil WAS SO FUN, i was actually pwning people, and everyone was on equal terms, but when I entered Veteran cryrodiil everythign changed for the worst.

So idk, is it my gear ? do i have to hit vr14 to pwn ? wats the deal ? it certainly isnt my build thats for sure.

Snit

There is a big gap between VR1 - VR5 purples/ blues and VR14's in legendary gear. One vs One, you're going to face an uphill climb for a while. Soloing may be rough.

Abbon

Thats what sucks ! The gap between armor and damage values from vr1 and vr14 is to big. Specially for heavy armor that got buffed by so much. Lol My arrows had literately 0 effect. But just to confirm, do all vr1 have difficulties fighting with vr14s right ? so its not just me ?

Ley

Most VR1's I see in pvp are in a larger group that compensates for their shortcomings. Not so say that a vr1 couldn't kill a vr14 1v1 but they'd typically have to be very skilled, very lucky, fighting a terrible vr14 or a combo of those things.

Stamden

I think this is a pretty huge flaw with the "veteran" PvP servers. If your a massive PvPer, then leveling VR ranks sucks. You cannot compete at all as a VR1-5. The handicaps for 1-50 are really good and you can compete at any level. Most of my friends regretted leveling up to VR1 because they have no option to PvP and are forced to grind through an experience they hate, the PvE.

Abbon

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

I think this is a pretty huge flaw with the "veteran" PvP servers. If your a massive PvPer, then leveling VR ranks sucks. You cannot compete at all as a VR1-5. The handicaps for 1-50 are really good and you can compete at any level. Most of my friends regretted leveling up to VR1 because they have no option to PvP and are forced to grind through an experience they hate, the PvE.

Exactly. I felt the same way. I feel regret leveling to vr1

deepseamk20b14_ESO

You're lower level. Don't expect to win. It's no different from any other game. Max level players will always have a huge upper hand on players that many levels below. Just keep leveling and take your punches. You'll get there.

Cody

Well for starters, you are VR5 using VR1 gear. That needs to stop ASAP. get some VR5 gear. Now, for my main point.

This is one of the reasons veteran ranks are such a huge failure. The gap is simply too big. You are either forced to play thru PvP and get your butt kicked for 4-6 months before FINALLY being able to compete, or do the PvE grind, which, in my opinion, is boring and uninspired garbage(I am talking about the vet content, levels 1-49 are not so bad)

Heck at least you were not in haderus at launch, where the AD guilds there used bugs and huge grinds in dungeons to hit VR10 in two weeks and demolish all us pre vets with little effort:(

Now I am not saying you cannot kill a VR14 at VR5. I killed some VR12s at VR1 back when the max rank was VR12. It just requires A LOT of skill, planning, and luck, to pull it off. and seeing as how most of the PvP community in the campaigns save blackwater blade are VR14, you will have a horrendous time:(

Maybe if ZOS were to expand on the idea of blackwater blade and make campaigns designed for specific vet ranks only, it would be much better,

One campaign for VRs1-5
One for VRs6-9
One for VRs10-14

until something like this is introduced; you will either have to grind some PvE grind spots; play thru PvP for the next 4 months and get demolished, and have absolutely no fun at all, or just make a new non-vet character and do black water blade again.

Cody

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

You're lower level. Don't expect to win. It's no different from any other game. Max level players will always have a huge upper hand on players that many levels below. Just keep leveling and take your punches. You'll get there.

If only you understood why it is such a problem. It has nothing to do with "my level 10 should own a max level characer" the grind to get to max level is horrendous.

there is PvE, which is either 3 months of boring garbage, or trying to hit the grind spots, and there is the PvP, where you take on a community that is mostly VR14ish in epics/legendaries killing you before you can even get a shot off.

leveling in those circumstances takes a very long time, and is a pain to go thru. Should someone really have to suffer this much for months on end just to have fun in a game?

I don't think so. If you do; then that just means you have a different POV.

Vanzen

As a dk vr14 in full gold gear, I tink I can stand all day before you, you wont put a dent in my health. Sorry. Your not the problem, your lvl and gear is.

Abbon

thank for reply guys, now i understand the problem even more.

golfer.dub17_ESO

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

You're lower level. Don't expect to win. It's no different from any other game. Max level players will always have a huge upper hand on players that many levels below. Just keep leveling and take your punches. You'll get there.

There's a difference between upper hand and guaranteed win.

I'm a V12.
A V2 attacked me while I was busy dealing with a group of npc's and low on resources.
I still EASILY won that fight, and with a mix of V10-V11 Gear.

HungerCity

Find a group and work on leveling/gearing up.

Tal_72

Sounds like they need to make one of the campaigns VR1-VR9, but then they might have population issues. Either that, or they just do a little bit of bolstering of low VR. Not to VR14, but to the point you aren't completely useless. If the gap is truly that big, it will just make people want to quit--and that's not good for the game.

McDoogs

He said he's in VR1 gear, that's the problem. He probably is using suboptimal sets as well, and we have no idea what his build is like.

McDoogs

gchutsonub17_ESO wrote: »

Sounds like they need to make one of the campaigns VR1-VR9, but then they might have population issues. Either that, or they just do a little bit of bolstering of low VR. Not to VR14, but to the point you aren't completely useless. If the gap is truly that big, it will just make people want to quit--and that's not good for the game.

Battle leveling does boost to VR12-ish levels since the latest patch, but that will not help enough to overcome having suboptimal gear set bonuses and build.

PvP also takes a different player skill set too, one that you only develop by trying (and failing most of the time)

Abbon

To keep you guys update. Im now vr6, With full purple vr6 gear. I still get slapped around like a rag doll.

Joy_Division

VR14s sometimes get slapped around like a rag doll. Just the nature of the game. Might be working as intended.

Experienced VR6 with good gear should be able to compete, albeit will lose without some luck / advantage to a VR14 that isn't a recruit.

Something else, the quality of gear disparity is unfortunately very large in 1.6 with the removal of softcaps. Stuff like spellpower and weapon damage are way way way better than 4% healing taken. 90% of the gear in this game is trash; making it legendary isn't going to help.

Dudis

What sets do you use? Crafted gear is usually by far the best option while leveling, even if it's only green or blue.


Also please link your build
http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills

Abbon

http://www.esohead.com/calculator/skills#1.mcRXxy0k9cWmia8wAEb8wACj8GHau8wABe8wAlB8LxRi8IPS08IPU48IPbk8GFlO8TsDa8LyN2807068z27zzzcwmk8p7JcdBET6MdBvj6MdBEI6MdBvT6MdBEp8T7JcrqLw6MrqAi6MrqAZ6MrqAI6MrqAD8x7CLsfr6Lsfi6Lsfw6Lsff8C7DLzqI6MGFWc6MGFWi6MGFWA6MGFWn6rzqb8D7DMIrEf6MIsaM6MIrv36MIrEh8F7JMIPNU6MIPAT6MIPAv6MIPAh6rbux6Lbut6LzrJ8P7abdYw8U7MmrWv857Xzx3TH6ctksF6cx3TO6cx3T38zzx3TH7068zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX

right now , im using 2h as pvp/pve 1 person
2nd is aoe for pve

As for gear im using 5 piece night of silence, and 3 & 4 pieces of Ashen Grip

I was using bow earlier, i kinda like 2h now xd

crowsnet_bomber

haha, i can relate

i came back to the game after about 10 months , im VR1 with a mix of random green gear and jumped straight into pvp.

lets just say it didn't go well

s7732425ub17_ESO

Due to survivability issues, NBs are only successful in ranged and ganking situations. Stealth up, find a good position, and pick off weaker players from far away.

Stinkur

Abbon,
Have you gone to Tamriel Foundry Nightblade Theorycrafting forums? Good source of information on builds, gear, where to spend points and all that fun stuff. Always a good idea if you want to be able to compete and I sense you do, to research things a lot thru forums. Fan site forums usually better

McDoogs

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Due to survivability issues, NBs are only successful in ranged and ganking situations. Stealth up, find a good position, and pick off weaker players from far away.

There are some really tanky, dangerous mag nbs out there...

Abbon

I feel like nightblade was just rushed during development just to make extra class. Imo,they didnt really put on much thought about skills, only a handful are actually useful. You might think why dont I re-roll to another character? I did, i have vr1 Templar and lv 30 dragon-knight. But for some reason I keep going back to my NB, why ? , it is because i put on most work on this character, and its my first really. cant ditch that XD.

Xael

No offense OP but you are comparing a lowbie pvp experience to end game. Even crappy players can be a huge success in the non vet campaign. When I leveled one of my NB alts I absolutely destroyed people in that campaign. Most were not only poorly itemized, they didn't have the know-how, nor the actual skill abilities necessary for proper pvp. Take Purge or Barrier for example.

For the record, you are playing halfass and expecting a success story. Sorry, but no. First level up. Second, gear appropriately. You should not be using vr1 gear, that is a bad decision. Next, your build is probably lacking and not synergizing with your surrounding. The tactics you are used to crushing newbies with becomes less effective once you enter the vet campaigns.

Honestly the game is fine the way it is. I had no problems at all on Thornblade when I joined it at vr1 on my NB alt. More importantly I actually leveled my character eventually to vr14 instead of being a defeatist. I also changed my playstyle and my gear when necessary. It's not the game.

I am not talking down to you, just being honest and direct. If you need some help hit me up in game.

Endurance

Abbon wrote: »

Im full vr1 pvp purple gear, with blue vr5 rings, weapons, but I have 0 chance of standing a chance fighting everyone else. Im nightblade, and my damage is good in pve mobs, but in terms of pvp, im almost useless. Im wearing leather gear atm with 10k Defense, and its really useless. Dragon knights dont die, Templar dont die, and freakin sorcerer kill be before even move lol.

Non veteran Cyrodiil WAS SO FUN, i was actually pwning people, and everyone was on equal terms, but when I entered Veteran cryrodiil everythign changed for the worst.

So idk, is it my gear ? do i have to hit vr14 to pwn ? wats the deal ? it certainly isnt my build thats for sure.

can a level 1 character kill a level 14 skeleton? NO

Egonieser

I am a vr5 in good gear. I can own other vr5-6 with ease. Facing a vr14 is like kissing a incoming freight train. And surprise, it is normal. Why would a noob with low PvP gear be able to beat someone with max? If everyone would be equal, what incentive is there to lvl up or get gear at all? If you want to play with the big boys, put some effort in it and advance your character, just like they had to.
Funny how people want to be on par with top lvls without putting the effort in. And ask to be equal. No they shouldn't. They should play, grind, advance the same way as anyone else had to to be on equal grounds.

(Not having a go at you OP, just speaking in general)

Zafu

Egonieser wrote: »

I am a vr5 in good gear. I can own other vr5-6 with ease. Facing a vr14 is like kissing a incoming freight train. And surprise, it is normal. Why would a noob with low PvP gear be able to beat someone with max? If everyone would be equal, what incentive is there to lvl up or get gear at all? If you want to play with the big boys, put some effort in it and advance your character, just like they had to.
Funny how people want to be on par with top lvls without putting the effort in. And ask to be equal. No they shouldn't. They should play, grind, advance the same way as anyone else had to to be on equal grounds.

(Not having a go at you OP, just speaking in general)

This ^

Dru1076

Welcome to mysterious world of Cyrodil. I know how you feel... Even the NPC's are too powerful for you for now. Frustrating...

Personally, I have only done very little in Cyrodil because of this. Bottom line is you need to be in a group to have any fun for now. With a broken grouping tool, I haven't bothered. I tried to find out more about the reasons for this, and the most common response was a quite unhelpful "you're playing an mmo now, buddy." Something to remember is that those NPC VR12's actually have stats closer to the VR5 rank. They made them vr12 pretty much in name only to allow vr14 players to keep harvesting champion points more readily in PVP.

Stannum

NB?

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