Magica Melee NB is not Dead. ;p

Ace_SiN

It's never been dead.. Some just like to come to the forums and cry about how gimp the class is when the class is not the one that's gimp.

Xinthisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzf2q-ptE3E

accina

I've been toying around with this play style for a while and it's the funniest thing i've tried for a long time. You can do things you couldn't with any other build.
My non-buffed spell dmg atm is around 2250, magicka regen 1650, stam regen 1150 and magicka 26000.
Health and stamina are only 17k and 9k (not an Imperial) but they don't seem to be a problem. Survivability with cloack, double take and concealed weapon speed buff is just insane (very few people actually use detection potions). You usually die only for some childish mistake you did.

I'm using this gear at the moment:
- 4pcs of Martial knowledge (3 pcs with divines trait)
- rings and legs of cyrodiil's light (cost reduction on rings)
- adroitness neck and shoes (cost reduction on neck)
- two swords, resto staff and hat of torug's pact (2 swords for 2 healing debuff glyphs and one extra set bonus. all crafted gear with nirnhoned, though I'm not sure if they make any real difference atm)

Mundus stone is atronach, I use regen drinks and I'm a vamp. Fire dmg is my least problem as I spam clock all the time (I regen magicka while spamming cloack. slowly, but atleast I'm not consuming it. no need for LoS).
Atronach stone seems to give me magicka regen worth of 2.9 set bonuses while the two mundus stones increasing dmg output are at best equivalent to ~2.2 spell dmg set bonuses, depending on armor. This is why I am increasing spell dmg with gear and regen with mundus and other things. I also tried similiar stats than your's but I felt that I need a bit more dmg.

Build works well against decent DK's and staminablades. No dodge rolling against cloack and concealed weapon. Templars are...meh.
How do you deal with good sorcs without 2h or 1h&s charges? Have you already tried casting Agony while cloacked?

Sorry, this post became much longer than intented.

Whyn Aurum

accina wrote: »

I've been toying around with this play style for a while and it's the funniest thing i've tried for a long time. You can do things you couldn't with any other build.
My non-buffed spell dmg atm is around 2250, magicka regen 1650, stam regen 1150 and magicka 26000.
Health and stamina are only 17k and 9k (not an Imperial) but they don't seem to be a problem. Survivability with cloack, double take and concealed weapon speed buff is just insane (very few people actually use detection potions). You usually die only for some childish mistake you did.

I'm using this gear at the moment:
- 4pcs of Martial knowledge (3 pcs with divines trait)
- rings and legs of cyrodiil's light (cost reduction on rings)
- adroitness neck and shoes (cost reduction on neck)
- two swords, resto staff and hat of torug's pact (2 swords for 2 healing debuff glyphs and one extra set bonus. all crafted gear with nirnhoned, though I'm not sure if they make any real difference atm)

Mundus stone is atronach, I use regen drinks and I'm a vamp. Fire dmg is my least problem as I spam clock all the time (I regen magicka while spamming cloack. slowly, but atleast I'm not consuming it. no need for LoS).
Atronach stone seems to give me magicka regen worth of 2.9 set bonuses while the two mundus stones increasing dmg output are at best equivalent to ~2.2 spell dmg set bonuses, depending on armor. This is why I am increasing spell dmg with gear and regen with mundus and other things. I also tried similiar stats than your's but I felt that I need a bit more dmg.

Build works well against decent DK's and staminablades. No dodge rolling against cloack and concealed weapon. Templars are...meh.
How do you deal with good sorcs without 2h or 1h&s charges? Have you already tried casting Agony while cloacked?

Sorry, this post became much longer than intented.

I've been running the same weapon setup, but with whitestake set for increased survivability (I figured once I get to a greater PvP skill I can go for a more risky and dps heavy build.) Definitely gonna look into what you just mentioned when I respec once Ill be able to get some gold

accina

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

accina wrote: »

I've been running the same weapon setup, but with whitestake set for increased survivability (I figured once I get to a greater PvP skill I can go for a more risky and dps heavy build.) Definitely gonna look into what you just mentioned when I respec once Ill be able to get some gold

Xinthisis seems to like his Whitestrake set. Might try it also if I wouldn't have already burned so much gold finding this current set combo.

Whyn Aurum

The only thing about whitestrake is that I lost a huge amount of spell damage and you basically cant do any burst damage (even though we couldnt before lol!).

Xinthisis

accina wrote: »

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

accina wrote: »

I've been running the same weapon setup, but with whitestake set for increased survivability (I figured once I get to a greater PvP skill I can go for a more risky and dps heavy build.) Definitely gonna look into what you just mentioned when I respec once Ill be able to get some gold

Xinthisis seems to like his Whitestrake set. Might try it also if I wouldn't have already burned so much gold finding this current set combo.

I'm honestly only using Whitestrakes so that more people will use it and either get it nerfed or other crafted sets buffed. For instance the Song of Lamae set.. What role does that set fill exactly? How about Vampires kiss? Bulwark? What is the point of having crafted sets if 60% never get used?

There really needs to be a reworking of balancing in this game across the board.
Also be prepared, once Nirn armor gets nerfed to the ground all these "FOTM Stam builds" are coming right back to magicka. Not that I'm complaining, just realizing that there is still no viable way for stam builds to really be effective as long as there are abilities that will do massive damage to them during there only defensive mechanism like whip and concealed weapon (rolling) and when you can just use damage shields and not only not be crit on but have many things in the game not work on you (Like siphoning attacks) there will be little to no reason for stam builds except NB glass cannons.
If they really wanted to balance this game, then every single class skill would have a stamina morph, but instead just like everything else ZOS has done with ESO its half assed.
I bet when they release DAOC2 it wont suffer from all the issues ESO is suffering from.
That's none of my business though.

Waylander

Love the diaries mate.

I have tried magica and stamina and with my ping (280-300) I think magica has better survivability. My biggest problem is an unreliable weapon swap.

Stamina burst is insane though. I have about 3.8k weapon dmg buffed (5 ravager / 4 morag / 3 air) and a crit sneak attack from stealth can hit for over 20k. I have had camo hunter on caltrops hit for 8.5k.

I like your magica melee two hander build.

Was the dual wield you tried 2 tourags pact swords w/ nirnhoned? I can see that giving good stats wth the increased spell dmg and the double penetration of nirnhoned. I might make some up for testing as I dont think nirnhoned weapons will get nerfed (just the armour).

Do the dual wield passives work with non weapon abilities like the 2h's do (like the 10% dmg buff for 2h sword effecting spell power and the 30% stam regen on a kill)? Stuff like extra dmg vs low health targets?

Xinthisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=509ViEl9scQ

Yonkit

I'm just looking forward to other players trying to mimic this build and me killing them one by one, or two by two, don't really care. It's a really high threshold of skill that people need to make this speed build work, and people are going to do it poorly

Whyn Aurum

Yonkit wrote: »

I'm just looking forward to other players trying to mimic this build and me killing them one by one, or two by two, don't really care. It's a really high threshold of skill that people need to make this speed build work, and people are going to do it poorly

Stamina NB is too appealing right now for people to switch to a hard-mode magicka NB so I doubt you'll be seeing many of these around.

Yonkit

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

I'm just looking forward to other players trying to mimic this build and me killing them one by one, or two by two, don't really care. It's a really high threshold of skill that people need to make this speed build work, and people are going to do it poorly

Stamina NB is too appealing right now for people to switch to a hard-mode magicka NB so I doubt you'll be seeing many of these around.

Most of them are baddies too, so I like those kills as well

Lava_Croft

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Bane_of_Fringe

akray21 wrote: »

I just noticed that empower and major sorcery stack... so using entropy you get a 20% damage on the next attack, plus 20% spell power for 12 seconds... It is hard to decide between this and sap essence...

Really...they shouldn't. They had it in some past patch notes that you can't stack buffs, such as empower, major sorcery, etc.

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

Lava_Croft

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

8k to 10k for a crit is laughable for a melee skill.

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

8k to 10k for a crit is laughable for a melee skill.

Ask to your stamina nb friends if their surprise attacks are better lol

Lava_Croft

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

8k to 10k for a crit is laughable for a melee skill.

Ask to your stamina nb friends if their surprise attacks are better lol

Surprise Attack comes with an Armor debuff.

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

8k to 10k for a crit is laughable for a melee skill.

Ask to your stamina nb friends if their surprise attacks are better lol

Surprise Attack comes with an Armor debuff.

Doesnt mean that 8-10k is laughable. 8-10k crit means 6.4 TT with major sorcellery and relentless focus (unstealth, no major epowerement) and only few stamina players manage to get that. Magicka melee NB can have a very good burst, but 90% of 1.5 magicka melee nb turned stamina or destro/restro without serious tests...

Whyn Aurum

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

So you're using 2x cyrodil, 4x seducer, 2 torugs, 2x adroitness. Am I right?

Erondil

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

So you're using 2x cyrodil, 4x seducer, 2 torugs, 2x adroitness. Am I right?

Almost: 2 cyrodiil 2 adroitness 4 martial knowledge 2 thorug and 2 engine guardian (dwemer)

Whyn Aurum

Erondil wrote: »

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

So you're using 2x cyrodil, 4x seducer, 2 torugs, 2x adroitness. Am I right?

Almost: 2 cyrodiil 2 adroitness 4 martial knowledge 2 thorug and 2 engine guardian (dwemer)

How are you able to fit this? 4x Martial armor, 3x torug weapons+1xarmor, 2x cyrodil rings, 1x adroitness neck and 1x armor,
Where do you put the guardian?

Erondil

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

So you're using 2x cyrodil, 4x seducer, 2 torugs, 2x adroitness. Am I right?

Almost: 2 cyrodiil 2 adroitness 4 martial knowledge 2 thorug and 2 engine guardian (dwemer)

How are you able to fit this? 4x Martial armor, 3x torug weapons+1xarmor, 2x cyrodil rings, 1x adroitness neck and 1x armor,
Where do you put the guardian?

Dual wield of thorug
4 armor pieces mk
Shoulders+Helm of engine guardian
1 armoir piece + necklace of adroitness
2 bands of cyrodiils light
(No armor piece of thorug because I use dual wield)

Whyn Aurum

Erondil wrote: »

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Talk for you my magicka melee nb kill in few seconds (8-10k concelead weapon crit) until I meet a good dueler. 2240 spell dmg (unbuffed) and 30k magicka here you go.

So you're using 2x cyrodil, 4x seducer, 2 torugs, 2x adroitness. Am I right?

Almost: 2 cyrodiil 2 adroitness 4 martial knowledge 2 thorug and 2 engine guardian (dwemer)

How are you able to fit this? 4x Martial armor, 3x torug weapons+1xarmor, 2x cyrodil rings, 1x adroitness neck and 1x armor,
Where do you put the guardian?

Dual wield of thorug
4 armor pieces mk
Shoulders+Helm of engine guardian
1 armoir piece + necklace of adroitness
2 bands of cyrodiils light
(No armor piece of thorug because I use dual wield)

ah gotcha thanks

akray21

My damage is so low as Magicka melee NB... it doesn't matter how long I can sustain in open world, eventually backup is going to come for my enemy, and a 1v1 situation will turn into 1vX and I get slaughtered.

RobBrookeb16_ESO

Interesting to see what you're doing with this.

Here's my build, more based around being tanky with the occasional big burst.. but similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRBWD9vW0ho&feature=youtu.be

Xinthisis

@RobBrookeb16_ESO I wish I could watch the video, but its saying its not available in my country. (US)

@Erondil Also running full spell power really isn't worth it, unless you're really trying to run a burst and run build.
I don't like that playstyle as for dueling most people learn how to tank your burst and once that happens you end up losing indefinitely to them.

Anyway, here is another Cyrodiil Diaries folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBh7yUzikjU

Erondil

Xinthisis wrote: »

@Erondil Also running full spell power really isn't worth it, unless you're really trying to run a burst and run build.
I don't like that playstyle as for dueling most people learn how to tank your burst and once that happens you end up losing indefinitely to them.

Once I have enough ressource managment to break cc every 6 seconds and endless cloak, I put all in max magicka/spell dmg.
In EU the few duellers that I can't burst down won't kill me either unless I become too agressive (except Fluffy that kill me all the time because Fluff is OP and I'm vamp).

Xinthisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYiQEU2NuHU

Bane_of_Fringe

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade: Where every *** fight lasts for 10 minutes because you have *** DPS.

Haha, *** is so true.