Petrify needs a CT

Tankqull

titel says all.

the skill needs a CT asap as it is completly gamebraking in its current form.

Tankqull

being allways stunlocked vs a DK is completly out of whack
fights vs DKs who know this ability allwys look the same:

critical rush insta cc by petrify as it is a soft cc its not affected by cc immunities, followed wrecking blow wich neither brakes petrifys cc and thus either overrides the disable with a true knockback+stun or doesent as the target has a cc immunity timer up, reapply petryfy+WB untill the target is in finishing range -> profit. breaking petrifys cc doesent do anything as you can be immediatly repetrifyed as it is a soft cc.

so either change petrify to the longtime ccs of sorcs and NB with a CT or change the cc type to a cc respecting cc immunities.

olsborg

Petrify, Rune Cage and ....Agony? Yea those should all be treated equally and either have or not have a cast time.

Craven_Killmore

Petrify stun -> wb -> petrify stun breaks from dmg -> petrify - wb - re pretrify

stun and knockback, stun and knockback, the wrecking blow knockback stun is affected by cc immunity but thats why you cover the targets cc immunity with a petrify until the knockback of Wb is up,

weaving in cc's like this as a dk can shut somone out of their character for a minute or longer, if you live through the first weave.

Domander

You should probably break free from stuff like that

Armitas

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

technohic

Domander wrote: »

You should probably break free from stuff like that

Cost more to break free than it does to cast it. So as mentioned, it just gets reapplied.

Panda244

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

@Armitas it's really no different than Agony or Rune Prison... It just doesn't have a cast time...

On a serious note the ability is utterly useless in large PvP... If one DK can single you down weaving in Petrify every five seconds then you need to run with friends so you don't get shrekt. I'd much rather use Reverberating Bash as my perma-stun, debuff heals by 40% tyvm... Solo'd crag dungeons with that ***

Armitas

Panda244 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

@Armitas it's really no different than Agony or Rune Prison... It just doesn't have a cast time...

On a serious note the ability is utterly useless in large PvP... If one DK can single you down weaving in Petrify every five seconds then you need to run with friends so you don't get shrekt. I'd much rather use Reverberating Bash as my perma-stun, debuff heals by 40% tyvm... Solo'd crag dungeons with that ***

The TTL right now can't sustain something like this, or the break free costs. Unless the person is running immovable they are not going to be able to sustain those break free costs for 5 seconds of play which will likely be spent overcoming getting nuked under CC with no block up rather than fighting back.

All I would ever have to do is spam this skill till he can't CC break and he is done, he is mine and there is nothing he can do about it. It would be just like biting jabs lock only easier.

Does agony and Rune Prison go through block? I wouldn't be surprised, as it seems now that block provides no CC immunity whatsoever.

technohic

Panda244 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

@Armitas it's really no different than Agony or Rune Prison... It just doesn't have a cast time...

On a serious note the ability is utterly useless in large PvP... If one DK can single you down weaving in Petrify every five seconds then you need to run with friends so you don't get shrekt. I'd much rather use Reverberating Bash as my perma-stun, debuff heals by 40% tyvm... Solo'd crag dungeons with that ***

Does that same argument work for making biting jabs no longer respect the CC immunity timer again? I mean; if you were able to be singled out by that; maybe you should run with friends?

Seriously though; with reducing the CC immunity on immovable and increasing cost on roll dodge and CC break; they also really need to look at how both hard and soft CC works. They keep going further and further where the the counters to CC just cost way more than the CC which is fine, if CC wasn't spammable and the counters provided some longer reprieve

Panda244

Armitas wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

@Armitas it's really no different than Agony or Rune Prison... It just doesn't have a cast time...

On a serious note the ability is utterly useless in large PvP... If one DK can single you down weaving in Petrify every five seconds then you need to run with friends so you don't get shrekt. I'd much rather use Reverberating Bash as my perma-stun, debuff heals by 40% tyvm... Solo'd crag dungeons with that ***

The TTL right now can't sustain something like this, or the break free costs. Unless the person is running immovable they are not going to be able to sustain those break free costs for 5 seconds of play which will likely be spent overcoming getting nuked under CC with no block up rather than fighting back.

All I would ever have to do is spam this skill till he can't CC break and he is done, he is mine and there is nothing he can do about it. It would be just like biting jabs lock only easier.

Does agony and Rune Prison go through block? I wouldn't be surprised, as it seems now that block provides no CC immunity whatsoever.

All of the "Super Hard-CCs" go through block, so the ones that last 12-15 seconds and have a cast time, so yeah, Petrify is one of them, some jack-wagon at ZOS just decided that it shouldn't have a cooldown.

technohic wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Yeah I'd say thats broken. Really Really Broken.

@Armitas it's really no different than Agony or Rune Prison... It just doesn't have a cast time...

On a serious note the ability is utterly useless in large PvP... If one DK can single you down weaving in Petrify every five seconds then you need to run with friends so you don't get shrekt. I'd much rather use Reverberating Bash as my perma-stun, debuff heals by 40% tyvm... Solo'd crag dungeons with that ***

Does that same argument work for making biting jabs no longer respect the CC immunity timer again? I mean; if you were able to be singled out by that; maybe you should run with friends?

Seriously though; with reducing the CC immunity on immovable and increasing cost on roll dodge and CC break; they also really need to look at how both hard and soft CC works. They keep going further and further where the the counters to CC just cost way more than the CC which is fine, if CC wasn't spammable and the counters provided some longer reprieve

My argument is simple, and completely off-topic. If you're not running with at least 2-3 other people in Cyrodiil. You're doing it wrong. Soloing is suicide, fun, but suicide. (1vX is a different topic...)

They'll never look at the way CC Immunity works, what they should've done is just buff Immovable to last ten seconds, if you can keep yourself alive without tripots then use Immovable Pots, they last 15 seconds.

Tankqull

Panda244 wrote: »

They'll never look at the way CC Immunity works, what they should've done is just buff Immovable to last ten seconds, if you can keep yourself alive without tripots then use Immovable Pots, they last 15 seconds.

wich do not work against soft cc again.
the whole problem boils down to the fact petrify not having a CT.

Varicite

Ranged, instant cast long-duration spammable CC that doesn't proc CC immunity?

Must be a DK thing.

Xsorus

If you break free from Petrify it'll give you CC immunity, including to wrecking blows knockback.

If you don't break free from it, they can follow it up into Wrecking Blows knockback, which will give you CC immunity after it wears off.

Its basically a single target version of the Nightblade Fear.