Healing Without Staff?

Dustile

Wondering if anyone has tried healing with just Templar heals alone without Restoration Staff. Including Veteran content. What are your thoughts and how did it go?

Lord Xanhorn

Nope cant be done effectively. heals in restoring light tree are too expensive or too long to cast. It can prolly work up to VR1 content but after that, you need healing springs or others.

ThatHappyCat

It's completely viable. Healing Springs is only compulsory in trials, and only for certain encounters. However, a Restoration Staff enhances a Templar's heals (Restoration Expert: Master only affects Restoration skills now), provides great magicka return, and as a healer your only other choice is a second Destruction staff... so unless you really need Destruction skills on both bars there's little reason to not use a Restoration staff.

Elloa

Dustile wrote: »

Wondering if anyone has tried healing with just Templar heals alone without Restoration Staff. Including Veteran content. What are your thoughts and how did it go?

I tried it, as the poster above say, it doable for easy content. I went back very fast to the use of the Restoration Staff. Best is to even have 2 Restoration staves.
My main reason to give up on that idea is the fact that you can not restore Magika with another weapon (melee weapon and bow restore Stamina with heavy attacks). And you need a lot of Magika to be comfortable and heal enough. Soit's basically a wasteand for that reason only, I'd always use at least one Resto staff.
In addition, the healing spell from the restoration staff are very interesting, even as Templar.

Now, i'm a bit disapointed that it is indeed not viable. I'd have hopped the Templar to be capable of healing without using a Resto staff.

If you want more explanation, feel free to check my Youtube channel. I've done plenty of video regarding my Templar.

Baconlad

@ elloa! YOU ARE REAL ZOMG I YOU ARE AN INCREDIBLE PLAYER.....and you quite beautiful =D. Ok so in regards to all weapons and magicka/ stamina return on heavy attacks. ALL WEAPONS RETURN a stat on heavy, BUT resto staff return a TON more magicka than any other weapon by like 30-50 % more. (1.6 now shows evidence based on the "blue" or "green" floaty effects on you character upon completion of a heavy attack) I would say it is possible, seeing how heavy destruction attacks are a little faster then resto as well.

So in a hypothetical event, you could pull this off, you would need a good balance between reduce magicka cost/ +max magicka/ and magcika regen. Also your group members would have to be on board and ready and willing to pop health pots/ healing skills/spells just in case you drain you magicka and cannot regain it back. You also may live off of magicka pots yourself. Good thing about this set up is you could be a damage dealer as well as healer! BUT doing damage will drain you magicka pools...making it even harder to heal, thereby making it pointless to deal damage, meaning you might as well go with resto staff anyway...So good luck, we wont know untill you do it.

ThatHappyCat

It's quite possible to heal comfortably with a Destro staff, especially a Lightning one (it restores more magicka than Flame and Frost staves). The question is why would you do so as you can easily have both a Destro and a Resto staff, and if you don't use a Resto staff there really isn't a better alternative for that weapon slot as a healer.

likewow777

If Healing Ritual were an HoT, then I'd probably feel more comfortable ditching a resto staff. Icing on the cake would be Restoring Focus acting on multiple targets, like the way Obisidian Shield works. If you notice, though, those are kind of like replacements for Healing Springs and Force Siphon, the only two resto skills I use with any regularity, just without magicka return. Maybe I'll try and run through Craglorn or something else tonight using only Restoring Light skills. See what's what.

eserras7b16_ESO

Dustile wrote: »

Wondering if anyone has tried healing with just Templar heals alone without Restoration Staff. Including Veteran content. What are your thoughts and how did it go?

Dagger healed, Bow healed, sword and shield obviously. As long as u use light armour you're good to go thou u need to know what you're doing and set up the sets correctly still, u'll be weaker than a resto staff user always.

Fizzlewizzle

I made some suggestions for the Restoring Light tree, because i do think its not sufficient enough to work stand alone (link in my signature).

You can get some magicka return by using the Focus that restores magicka instead of the healing one. The bonus is small, but it gives back more then it originally costs.
Overall i try to use Healing Ritual over Healing Springs, since it heals a lot more then healing springs (for me 10K normal, 13K crits... or 12K normals while i'm in the Restoring focus). It is pretty hard to get magicka back using it since you spend a lot of time casting. Being able to use use it for about 7-10 times in a row is possible (even when i'm in heavy armor).

likewow777

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

You can get some magicka return by using the Focus that restores magicka instead of the healing one. The bonus is small, but it gives back more then it originally costs.

I just wanted to add, for me, Channeled Focus, the morph that gives magicka, returns 4000+ magicka and costs about 450 to cast. It's a great improvement over 1.5, giving 10x return over cost, and helps improve magicka sustain. Only thing is, since it's a trickle over 18 seconds, or so, you have to treat it like a regen boost. Still, it's so cheap you might as well cast it over and over, since it also helps to make you less squishy.

Fizzlewizzle

For me its 4320, with a cost of 890, since i don't have any cost reductions.

As for healing... took some screenshots in Rawl Kha:


The 14754 is my normal healing, the *13996* + *21834* are my crits (i don't get why it doesn't display a single number).
Still trying to improve those numbers (Also, i'm Standing on a Restoring Focus, not a Mending Focus)

technohic

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

I made some suggestions for the Restoring Light tree, because i do think its not sufficient enough to work stand alone (link in my signature).

You can get some magicka return by using the Focus that restores magicka instead of the healing one. The bonus is small, but it gives back more then it originally costs.
Overall i try to use Healing Ritual over Healing Springs, since it heals a lot more then healing springs (for me 10K normal, 13K crits... or 12K normals while i'm in the Restoring focus). It is pretty hard to get magicka back using it since you spend a lot of time casting. Being able to use use it for about 7-10 times in a row is possible (even when i'm in heavy armor).

Yeah; I will pass on the healing ritual over healing springs. Get a lot more reach with healing springs and can also use other abilities while its up.

Gunga_Dihn

VR5 Breton Templar Numbers in my healing Gear based on four person groups:

Skill Mag Cost Total Heal Non Crit Healing /Magika
Breath of Life 2328 9774 4.19
Purifying Ritual 1472 12552 8.52
Ritual of Rebirth 1899 27158 14.3
Lingering Ritual 1899 32667 17.2
Grand Healing 1757 18484 10.52
Healing Springs 1247 18484 14.82
Illustrious healing 1757 20304 11.55
Rapid Regen 1044 15334 14.68
Mutagen 1044 15552 14.89


Results may vary but this is what I got.

I see BOL as a wasted slot on my bar now. Healing Springs and Regen from the staff are the best heals. There is an argument fro the big heal of Ritual but with the long cast time I don't think I will add it to my bar.

I am a little disappointed in the new Temp healing skills. I play one to be a healer most of the time and the Temp skillset is really not that much better than using my Sorc to do the same thing. I think Ritual cast time needs to go lower, like 1 sec or something to make it competitive and BOL needs some love. It is pretty much worthless.