Chillrend (EU)

Legedric

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

You are repeating yourself and yet you are not telling the truth it seems. Do you even read bro?

AbraXuSeXile

Saft wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Please elborate how we are 'lagging the server' we run in an organised group of average 12 players who usually do not PvP near allies unless we must, Usually we are on our own away from allies at every chance we get as 'the early birds get the worm'

Still, why, apart from when phoenix team came yesterday (fighting your faction), the only times during last 14 days the lag only for me came when your team was around. I did not encounter 1 single lagfest with the EP during mass battles.

Soo, there is nothing you intentionally or unintentionally do, its just bad luck/coincidence that ping goes through roof almost always the same time as your team rush into a breached keep?

On a sidenote, you seem to be a nice guy, but really its something you or the guilds that follow your team does that lag down chillrend. If you or those guilds running with you could perhaps find out what cause it, and try use other tactics to avoid a lag free pvp for all of us, it would be greatly apresiated.

Well the thing is, If DC and EP are lagging at one side of the map and we go to another side to get away from the ground zero, Then it's still gonna be lagging.

So maybe sometimes you'll see us because we cant be bothered with the EP.

One of the misconceptions of the 'lag' and 'zerk' thing is, I wouldn't even put it down to the guild groups who are zerking or lagging the server out, The players nuttcupping to the guild group makes a 24 man squad into a 40 man squad and so on, If this happens on both sides then whala lag. Also an organised squad shouldnt be considered a zerg unless they are with a lot of pugs, It's the pugs in mass that are the zerk.

When Chillrend went quiet a few days ago we hopped onto Haderus, We messed around for a bit then we decided to go for Chalman, DC didnt even have one imperial keep at that time and was losing ground rapidly. We put it under siege then 2 DC raids show up, I gave them some stick in the zone chat because of it, All it would of taken was an EP raid to show up and we would have a lag frenzy.

Etaniel

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

Babs, I played with them tonight as a pug, we were always 10-14 members max. We violated over 350 ADs in 1 hour basically. I suffered from no lag whatsoever tonight, mostly because there weren't any DCs other than our group fighting at the same spot. The lag is generated (90% of the time) when multiple squads like these, and a large number of randoms clash inside a keep. One single squad won't lag it out. Exile is not responsible for the lag, like most guilds. The only time you can blame them is when they decide to go fight in a keep where there is already a huge blob fight going on, and since most of the time they got there first, blame the pugs who came pouring in during the defense and made it worse. It's the same scenario everytime. Any guild can lag out a campaign if they choose to fight alongside their faction zergs.

I said they "killed" the campaign because no one on Chillrend could stop a well organised 15 man group, not because of lag. And tbh that's just very sad for whatever EP and AD guilds are playing there. In less than two weeks it went from yellow buff campaign to blue buff campaign. Simple observation really

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

"lagsquads" as you call them are the only answer to mindless zergs. So stop mindless zergs maybe?
From what I've heard on their ts, Exile are fun lads who have no intent of lagging out anyone, and who curse out loud when lag hits them, just like anyone playing this game in prime time.

Beesting

So the end of campain was celebrated with DC gatecamping and AP farming, in the end it turned into a pretty nice fight,

no hard feelings, i will miss you guys, but it is time to play on a less DC dominated campain

i made some screenshots to remember you all by xD


so i installed codex last week


I wonder who of these names is not running with, next to or behind Abraxus' squad


The names of the AD fools that decided to be the resistance after chillrend stopped being ad buff server, i heared AD normally goes where most ap is to be farmed, but it wasn't on chillrend haha


Some of these names i will miss, especially the nr1, i nicknamed him blue bashbot, he will make it very far in pvp
Turned out i even killed abraxus more times than he killed me... i shouldn't wine on the forums ...



the people that kicked my pve hero butt untill it was sore, i will remember the sound of 6 batswarms going my way before i could even see you coming on my screen LOL


This was last night when a friendly AD guild decided to have a 2 hour session on Chillrend and helped us out. That was nice of them xD

So yeah @AbraXuSeXile , have fun in chillrend, and keep in touch

Legedric

Just as a sidenote... the "you killed player A x times and you got killed by player A y times" is way off.

ESO is providing information for every kill you make, no matter if you deliver the killing blow ("You killed ZZZZ" message). So you get credit for a kill even if one of your group mates kills the target.
But the other way round, ESO only recognizes the killing blow ("You got killed by ZZZZ" message) against you, so the kill against you is only credited to the killing blow guy.
So of course most of the time you will have a higher number "killed player a" than "player a killed you".

For example my codex is telling me I killed you 7 times and you didin't kill me a single time but I know it better

So just people know this is nothing to brag about... Comparing these numbers is *** as they are counting different values.

AbraXuSeXile

Beesting wrote: »

So the end of campain was celebrated with DC gatecamping and AP farming, in the end it turned into a pretty nice fight,

no hard feelings, i will miss you guys, but it is time to play on a less DC dominated campain

i made some screenshots to remember you all by xD


so i installed codex last week


I wonder who of these names is not running with, next to or behind Abraxus' squad


The names of the AD fools that decided to be the resistance after chillrend stopped being ad buff server, i heared AD normally goes where most ap is to be farmed, but it wasn't on chillrend haha


Some of these names i will miss, especially the nr1, i nicknamed him blue bashbot, he will make it very far in pvp
Turned out i even killed abraxus more times than he killed me... i shouldn't wine on the forums ...



the people that kicked my pve hero butt untill it was sore, i will remember the sound of 6 batswarms going my way before i could even see you coming on my screen LOL


This was last night when a friendly AD guild decided to have a 2 hour session on Chillrend and helped us out. That was nice of them xD

So yeah @AbraXuSeXile , have fun in chillrend, and keep in touch

I dont think i need to reply to the bit where you killed me more times We don't usually enjoy behind behind the enemy gate but it turned out to be nice fights away from the keeps and just scrapping for the sake of it.

Also i'm a member of that AD guild that came to Chillrend

And maybe we'll meet again real soon.

AbraXuSeXile

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

Babs, I played with them tonight as a pug, we were always 10-14 members max. We violated over 350 ADs in 1 hour basically. I suffered from no lag whatsoever tonight, mostly because there weren't any DCs other than our group fighting at the same spot. The lag is generated (90% of the time) when multiple squads like these, and a large number of randoms clash inside a keep. One single squad won't lag it out. Exile is not responsible for the lag, like most guilds. The only time you can blame them is when they decide to go fight in a keep where there is already a huge blob fight going on, and since most of the time they got there first, blame the pugs who came pouring in during the defense and made it worse. It's the same scenario everytime. Any guild can lag out a campaign if they choose to fight alongside their faction zergs.

I said they "killed" the campaign because no one on Chillrend could stop a well organised 15 man group, not because of lag. And tbh that's just very sad for whatever EP and AD guilds are playing there. In less than two weeks it went from yellow buff campaign to blue buff campaign. Simple observation really

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

"lagsquads" as you call them are the only answer to mindless zergs. So stop mindless zergs maybe?
From what I've heard on their ts, Exile are fun lads who have no intent of lagging out anyone, and who curse out loud when lag hits them, just like anyone playing this game in prime time.

I had to read twice to believe someone defended us We are fun loving shemales :P

babanovac

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

Babs, I played with them tonight as a pug, we were always 10-14 members max. We violated over 350 ADs in 1 hour basically. I suffered from no lag whatsoever tonight, mostly because there weren't any DCs other than our group fighting at the same spot. The lag is generated (90% of the time) when multiple squads like these, and a large number of randoms clash inside a keep. One single squad won't lag it out. Exile is not responsible for the lag, like most guilds. The only time you can blame them is when they decide to go fight in a keep where there is already a huge blob fight going on, and since most of the time they got there first, blame the pugs who came pouring in during the defense and made it worse. It's the same scenario everytime. Any guild can lag out a campaign if they choose to fight alongside their faction zergs.

I said they "killed" the campaign because no one on Chillrend could stop a well organised 15 man group, not because of lag. And tbh that's just very sad for whatever EP and AD guilds are playing there. In less than two weeks it went from yellow buff campaign to blue buff campaign. Simple observation really

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

"lagsquads" as you call them are the only answer to mindless zergs. So stop mindless zergs maybe?
From what I've heard on their ts, Exile are fun lads who have no intent of lagging out anyone, and who curse out loud when lag hits them, just like anyone playing this game in prime time.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they are doing it on purpose. Anyone who believes the lagsploitation conspiracy theory is simply delusional.

I'm saying that the game simply can't take this kind of gameplay. People should have realized it by now, and should simply stop doing it, because it breaks the game for everyone.

Yes, ofcourse the server lags only when an large organized group fights the zerg or another large organized group. So what are you saying? That we should allow only one large group per campaign, and everyone else should run around solo? Everyone should avoid Abraxus' group? How is that going to work, considering that any large organized group will always search the biggest challenge, hence the biggest zerg to dive into?

ESO engine simply can't take it. So stop doing it, or you'll soon run out people to kill, because they'll simply not queue for an unplayable pvp anymore.

Legedric

So basically what you are saying is: Exile please stop running around as an organized group!

Because as stated above they are not even using excessive meteor spam, healing springs etc. So what exactly do you want them to stop? To stack on top of each other as a team? Why should they start dropping their weapons when others won't?

Again: Don't blame the players playing a game and using tactics in a team, blame ZOS for the crappy coding. THEY have to come up with a solution... and as you know, there are plenty of suggestions here on the forums to possibly reduce lag but ZOS is busy wasting our PC player money for the console release... No time for PvP optimization.

It isn't like they (exile) would win a prize for avoiding every possible mechanic in the game that MAY cause lag... They'd just destroy their own game experience and still encounter severe lag because others would still cause lag.

Etaniel

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

Babs, I played with them tonight as a pug, we were always 10-14 members max. We violated over 350 ADs in 1 hour basically. I suffered from no lag whatsoever tonight, mostly because there weren't any DCs other than our group fighting at the same spot. The lag is generated (90% of the time) when multiple squads like these, and a large number of randoms clash inside a keep. One single squad won't lag it out. Exile is not responsible for the lag, like most guilds. The only time you can blame them is when they decide to go fight in a keep where there is already a huge blob fight going on, and since most of the time they got there first, blame the pugs who came pouring in during the defense and made it worse. It's the same scenario everytime. Any guild can lag out a campaign if they choose to fight alongside their faction zergs.

I said they "killed" the campaign because no one on Chillrend could stop a well organised 15 man group, not because of lag. And tbh that's just very sad for whatever EP and AD guilds are playing there. In less than two weeks it went from yellow buff campaign to blue buff campaign. Simple observation really

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

"lagsquads" as you call them are the only answer to mindless zergs. So stop mindless zergs maybe?
From what I've heard on their ts, Exile are fun lads who have no intent of lagging out anyone, and who curse out loud when lag hits them, just like anyone playing this game in prime time.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they are doing it on purpose. Anyone who believes the lagsploitation conspiracy theory is simply delusional.

I'm saying that the game simply can't take this kind of gameplay. People should have realized it by now, and should simply stop doing it, because it breaks the game for everyone.

Yes, ofcourse the server lags only when an large organized group fights the zerg or another large organized group. So what are you saying? That we should allow only one large group per campaign, and everyone else should run around solo? Everyone should avoid Abraxus' group? How is that going to work, considering that any large organized group will always search the biggest challenge, hence the biggest zerg to dive into?

ESO engine simply can't take it. So stop doing it, or you'll soon run out people to kill, because they'll simply not queue for an unplayable pvp anymore.

If Exile was a 24 man raid, your point would be valid, but it's half that size. How can you even tell a 12 man group that it's still too much and that they should cut loose a few members before going ou pvp? How is 12 people a large group??? It's not smallscale, i'll give you that, but seriously? You can't ask everyone in the game to solo or duo, even if that would fix it. As I said previously, we fought a crapton of AD behind their gates yesterday, no lag, even using our choo choo mechanic.

This train hitting another train won't cause lag either, as long as there are no zergs for both faction nearby.
What you can ask those guilds is common sense : if a keep is under attack (and there are alraedy plenty of defenders/attackers) , instead of rushing in to pile up with the rest, go take another one in the enemy's back, or cut of the reinforcements by farming the guys heading to the keep, there's so much more to do than just ramming everyone on to the flags.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

Babs, I played with them tonight as a pug, we were always 10-14 members max. We violated over 350 ADs in 1 hour basically. I suffered from no lag whatsoever tonight, mostly because there weren't any DCs other than our group fighting at the same spot. The lag is generated (90% of the time) when multiple squads like these, and a large number of randoms clash inside a keep. One single squad won't lag it out. Exile is not responsible for the lag, like most guilds. The only time you can blame them is when they decide to go fight in a keep where there is already a huge blob fight going on, and since most of the time they got there first, blame the pugs who came pouring in during the defense and made it worse. It's the same scenario everytime. Any guild can lag out a campaign if they choose to fight alongside their faction zergs.

I said they "killed" the campaign because no one on Chillrend could stop a well organised 15 man group, not because of lag. And tbh that's just very sad for whatever EP and AD guilds are playing there. In less than two weeks it went from yellow buff campaign to blue buff campaign. Simple observation really

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

It is up to ZOS to find out the cause for the lags not the players/guilds using their poorly coded piece of software.

Or stop running in lagsquads and ruin pvp for all else.

"lagsquads" as you call them are the only answer to mindless zergs. So stop mindless zergs maybe?
From what I've heard on their ts, Exile are fun lads who have no intent of lagging out anyone, and who curse out loud when lag hits them, just like anyone playing this game in prime time.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying they are doing it on purpose. Anyone who believes the lagsploitation conspiracy theory is simply delusional.

I'm saying that the game simply can't take this kind of gameplay. People should have realized it by now, and should simply stop doing it, because it breaks the game for everyone.

Yes, ofcourse the server lags only when an large organized group fights the zerg or another large organized group. So what are you saying? That we should allow only one large group per campaign, and everyone else should run around solo? Everyone should avoid Abraxus' group? How is that going to work, considering that any large organized group will always search the biggest challenge, hence the biggest zerg to dive into?

ESO engine simply can't take it. So stop doing it, or you'll soon run out people to kill, because they'll simply not queue for an unplayable pvp anymore.

Technically you're right, the engine can't take it. In case you don't know, this game was advertised with massive large scale pvp. If people would stop running in groups, no keep would ever be taken by anyone... guess that's not the solution, right? The sad truth is that the engine behind Cyrodiil (or the whole game) is NOT capable of supporting a few dozen players in one spot and pressing a few buttons. And we can't do nothing about it. It's ZOS who is to blame, not the players.

babanovac

Legedric wrote: »

Again: Don't blame the players playing a game and using tactics in a team, blame ZOS for the crappy coding. THEY have to come up with a solution... and as you know, there are plenty of suggestions here on the forums to possibly reduce lag but ZOS is busy wasting our PC player money for the console release... No time for PvP optimization.

I AM blaming the game. But how does that help us the players? ZOS is clearly not willing or capable to improve performance of the engine. So we can blame the engine all we want, the result will still be the same: people will quit because pvp is unplayable.

Legedric

Yes but then you ask the players to stop doing PvP as a group?

babanovac

Legedric wrote: »

Yes but then you ask the players to stop doing PvP as a group?

It's the only solution i see, if we want a playable game. Do you have any other one?

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

babanovac wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Yes but then you ask the players to stop doing PvP as a group?

It's the only solution i see, if we want a playable game. Do you have any other one?

This game doesn't work without groups, it is created for them.

Beesting

Legedric wrote: »

Just as a sidenote... the "you killed player A x times and you got killed by player A y times" is way off.

ESO is providing information for every kill you make, no matter if you deliver the killing blow ("You killed ZZZZ" message). So you get credit for a kill even if one of your group mates kills the target.
But the other way round, ESO only recognizes the killing blow ("You got killed by ZZZZ" message) against you, so the kill against you is only credited to the killing blow guy.
So of course most of the time you will have a higher number "killed player a" than "player a killed you".

For example my codex is telling me I killed you 7 times and you didin't kill me a single time but I know it better

So just people know this is nothing to brag about... Comparing these numbers is *** as they are counting different values.

I have been running 95 % solo , not grouped because someone told me i would get more ap that way.
It just takes s bit more effort to figure out where the fight will be, but i prefer it because that way i am free to choose which fight to join. Bit like you i guess

Legedric

And that's fine... if you want to roam around solo - Great, do it.
If you prefer group tactics and teamplay - Do it... that's what MMOs are usually made for.

You (bobanovac) cannot just walk into Cyrodiil and tell everyone to stop engaging in group fights...

To be honest I don't even get the problem on Chillrend... I was on Thornblade for 3 months and I experienced lag every single evening in nearly every fight where 20+ players showed up.

On Chillrend (or Haderus, where I was before) I encounter lag like once or twice a week? Although I often get into battles having 20+ players ripping their eyes out I barely get lag on Chillrend.

So get over it and wait for ZOS to solve the problem itself... even if this may never happen, we have to live with it without telling some small groups (like exile) how they should handle PvP.

Sotha_Sil

babanovac wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Yes but then you ask the players to stop doing PvP as a group?

It's the only solution i see, if we want a playable game. Do you have any other one?

Zerg are not created only by groups of people : it can be a gathering of people playing solo but fighting at the same place, following the trend.

babanovac

Legedric wrote: »

And that's fine... if you want to roam around solo - Great, do it.
If you prefer group tactics and teamplay - Do it... that's what MMOs are usually made for.

You (bobanovac) cannot just walk into Cyrodiil and tell everyone to stop engaging in group fights...

To be honest I don't even get the problem on Chillrend... I was on Thornblade for 3 months and I experienced lag every single evening in nearly every fight where 20+ players showed up.

On Chillrend (or Haderus, where I was before) I encounter lag like once or twice a week? Although I often get into battles having 20+ players ripping their eyes out I barely get lag on Chillrend.

So get over it and wait for ZOS to solve the problem itself... even if this may never happen, we have to live with it without telling some small groups (like exile) how they should handle PvP.

I am free to tell anyone anything i want, just like everyone is free to ignore me or to tell me to go *** myself.

Get over what? Not being able to play the game?... Sure, i can get over it by simply not playing. Why are you so upset? because i stating the obvious fact that the ESO engine simply can not handle large organized group play?

Etaniel

babanovac wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

And that's fine... if you want to roam around solo - Great, do it.
If you prefer group tactics and teamplay - Do it... that's what MMOs are usually made for.

You (bobanovac) cannot just walk into Cyrodiil and tell everyone to stop engaging in group fights...

To be honest I don't even get the problem on Chillrend... I was on Thornblade for 3 months and I experienced lag every single evening in nearly every fight where 20+ players showed up.

On Chillrend (or Haderus, where I was before) I encounter lag like once or twice a week? Although I often get into battles having 20+ players ripping their eyes out I barely get lag on Chillrend.

So get over it and wait for ZOS to solve the problem itself... even if this may never happen, we have to live with it without telling some small groups (like exile) how they should handle PvP.

I am free to tell anyone anything i want, just like everyone is free to ignore me or to tell me to go *** myself.

Get over what? Not being able to play the game?... Sure, i can get over it by simply not playing. Why are you so upset? because i stating the obvious fact that the ESO engine simply can not handle large organized group play?

But it can though... It can't handle tri faction combat inside one keep though... I've never seen a lag fight happen without swarms of "solo" players running around the fight. Solo players are to blame too ! If you're solo, stay on the gank roads, but stay clear the keeps

babanovac

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

And that's fine... if you want to roam around solo - Great, do it.
If you prefer group tactics and teamplay - Do it... that's what MMOs are usually made for.

You (bobanovac) cannot just walk into Cyrodiil and tell everyone to stop engaging in group fights...

To be honest I don't even get the problem on Chillrend... I was on Thornblade for 3 months and I experienced lag every single evening in nearly every fight where 20+ players showed up.

On Chillrend (or Haderus, where I was before) I encounter lag like once or twice a week? Although I often get into battles having 20+ players ripping their eyes out I barely get lag on Chillrend.

So get over it and wait for ZOS to solve the problem itself... even if this may never happen, we have to live with it without telling some small groups (like exile) how they should handle PvP.

I am free to tell anyone anything i want, just like everyone is free to ignore me or to tell me to go *** myself.

Get over what? Not being able to play the game?... Sure, i can get over it by simply not playing. Why are you so upset? because i stating the obvious fact that the ESO engine simply can not handle large organized group play?

But it can though... It can't handle tri faction combat inside one keep though... I've never seen a lag fight happen without swarms of "solo" players running around the fight. Solo players are to blame too ! If you're solo, stay on the gank roads, but stay clear the keeps

That's one way of looking at it, and i can't argue against your own experience. I can only present my own.

I HAVE seen lag free large fights with swarms of "solo" players, but i have never seen a lag fight where there was not an organized group running on the map bombing.

Although both arguments are pretty hard to make, considering the inconsistent bahaviour of lag, and the fact that it can be caused by a fight that takes place somewhere else on the map, where you can;t even see it.

babanovac

But tbh what we are doing right now is just pointlessly wrestling in the pool of filth that is ZOS's incompetence.

These would all be non-issues if they would be capable of improving their engine. But since they're not, i guess we're stuck with this game for now.

Legedric

I am not upset, I am just telling you that I don't get it why you try to force a group of players to play like you want, that's it...

But I think we are in the same boat, rowing up the river to punch ZOS in their faces

Etaniel

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

And that's fine... if you want to roam around solo - Great, do it.
If you prefer group tactics and teamplay - Do it... that's what MMOs are usually made for.

You (bobanovac) cannot just walk into Cyrodiil and tell everyone to stop engaging in group fights...

To be honest I don't even get the problem on Chillrend... I was on Thornblade for 3 months and I experienced lag every single evening in nearly every fight where 20+ players showed up.

On Chillrend (or Haderus, where I was before) I encounter lag like once or twice a week? Although I often get into battles having 20+ players ripping their eyes out I barely get lag on Chillrend.

So get over it and wait for ZOS to solve the problem itself... even if this may never happen, we have to live with it without telling some small groups (like exile) how they should handle PvP.

I am free to tell anyone anything i want, just like everyone is free to ignore me or to tell me to go *** myself.

Get over what? Not being able to play the game?... Sure, i can get over it by simply not playing. Why are you so upset? because i stating the obvious fact that the ESO engine simply can not handle large organized group play?

But it can though... It can't handle tri faction combat inside one keep though... I've never seen a lag fight happen without swarms of "solo" players running around the fight. Solo players are to blame too ! If you're solo, stay on the gank roads, but stay clear the keeps

That's one way of looking at it, and i can't argue against your own experience. I can only present my own.

I HAVE seen lag free large fights with swarms of "solo" players, but i have never seen a lag fight where there was not an organized group running on the map bombing.

Although both arguments are pretty hard to make, considering the inconsistent bahaviour of lag, and the fact that it can be caused by a fight that takes place somewhere else on the map, where you can;t even see it.

Lag is more consistent than you think. I can guarantee, that everytime your ping skyrockets to 999+ for more than a couple secs, and usually for around 10 min, you can open your map and you will see a large cross at a keep/keep resource. And yes, most of the time there is a large group in a corner tower or on the top floor stacking up, but there's also a crapton of randoms swarming around them.
If it's not the case, then there probably is a scroll somewhere and everyone is trying to get a piece of it.
You say you've seen lagless fights with a bunch of pugs, i say i've seen lagless fights with trains. And we both aren't hallucinating! Just collide multiple trains and zergs and booom there goes Cyrodil.

iseko

Had some good fights tonight at chillrend. All lag free. Overall pretty balanced. Was fun.

azoriangaming

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

Welcome to ESO PvP

I am sorry you feel this way. However there are more campaigns to play in. I have a question though, Was PvP more fun before we came to Chillrend? When we decided to come to Chillrend it was a yellow buff campaign with hardly any competition and it was completely plastered yellow, We scouted this campaign for a week before we decided to move to Chillrend.

You was also part of the crew during the first week of this season of Chillrend who tried to cap keeps till 4am and resumed as early as possible trying to recover your buffs.

MoneyOverEverything wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

lol, just lol

abrax -> beesting -> valkyrin skoria

i think abrax should get his own set-items because he is stornger than valkyrin skoria

heres my idea

Shoulders + Helmet

(1 set piece bonus) 995 magicka

(2 set piece bonus) You have a 60% chance to cast "Breath of Life" and "Blazing Shield" after a 5 Players-Killstreak while running in a group. This effect can only happen once in 20 seconds.

That would be awesome! ZoS make this happen!

Beesting wrote: »

Ok, never mind, i will just change my campain. Bye bye chillrend after tonight. As the nr 2 ad side and 25 th overall i might get some ok loot to remember my 2 weeks here. It was certainly interesting.

Bye, See you soon.

babanovac wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

I have been playing eso everyday since early access but only pvp for 2 weeks now, on chillrend campain and i must say it feels very unbalanced having exile running bomb squads and just coming in and taking whatever they like whenever they choose too.

I mean it is supposed to be fun for hundreds of players to pvp, mostly noobs like me probably that are bored with dungeons ( 80 coa runs) and trials and like a new challenge.

But no, then abraxus showes up and smacks everyone up. I watched some of his vids and it must be great to play with 15 people moving like one, 15 times the dps against whatever you meet,

But it just ruins the fun for normal players , instead they are farmed for useless ap

Maybe pvp is just not for me, thx to exile...

If they are ruining it for anyone, it's for their own faction ^^ No one to fight, nothing to defend, everything has been done by Exile already :P

Actually they are ruining it for everyone, because they are killing the server. I'm guessing these people missed 2014 when large scale pvp was actually possible, and have just recently found out that playing bombing groups with your guild mates is fun.

Tough luck for everyone, when they log on, no one else can play.

Large scale PvP is dead since autumn. Stop bombing so the rest of us can enjoy a lag free game please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnqhlOZeYVs

Nearly a year ago, Large scale non lag PvP? Or are we talking about large scale cluster of people not really doing anything?

Saft wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

Ok, never mind, i will just change my campain. Bye bye chillrend after tonight. As the nr 2 ad side and 25 th overall i might get some ok loot to remember my 2 weeks here. It was certainly interesting.

I feel excetly as you do, i play chillrend also. I am tired of bomb group player mentality and lagbraxus mentality where its a concept of lagging down server before rushing into a keep as tactic is worst of all out there.

I had a good laugh when we bananas casuals fought tomato casuals at a keep (was just breaced) and i said on Teamspeak to my friend, weird, its lag even without lagbraxus not here . Just matter of seconds later, a smurf bomb group show up outside of right side of keep, it explained the lag, because the "elite" bomb squad with lagbraxus friends was rolling into keep, spamming meteors and healing spring.


Its just this "elite" players ruin server stability and gameplay for most others are on all campaigns on all factions almost. Lagbraxus is not unique, until zenimax give us a true counter (weak magica detonation was their attemt) there will continue to be lag.

Please elborate how we are 'lagging the server' we run in an organised group of average 12 players who usually do not PvP near allies unless we must, Usually we are on our own away from allies at every chance we get as 'the early birds get the worm'

We recently had a guild event called 'who needs us the most' so if you want to see the numbers we run with; http://s287.photobucket.com/user/Caioexile187/media/Screenshot_20150422_162013_zpspumsmhbu.png.html and keep clicking right or view our forum public section for more screenies. Lagsquad? I think not. Maybe you should focus your attention to the 24 man raids put together by AD or the 2 EP 24 man trains that run together.

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

We (like 40-60 DC) had some fun fights yesterday evening at BRK on Chillrend for more than an hour against like 40-60 bananas... dunno what you call large scale PvP but for me this sounds pretty large scale.

Yes we bananas had a guest visit of phoenix with his bomber crew yesterday. It was noticable because your team lost keep after keep. Otherwise reds and yellows had none or very little bomb squads, so it became very obvious the other 13 days its lagbraxus team that cause lag. Lag follow their bomb squad around.

iseko wrote: »

Not a fan of abraxus' group but I dont think they are lagging the server. Let alone intentionally. The only thing that can be said about their bomb squad is that one way to counter it is by stacking up as well, using aoe and nuking them with ulti's. Since they do the same... That conflict is gonna lag out the server. Horrid way of playing the game but still the most effective I guess.

So, you don't think lagbraxus group lag server, but you think if we all else stack ae and go bomb group it will cause lag?

Something wrong there, all healing spring spamming, metoer bombing squads cause lags, nomatter what faction. Its just there just been lagbraxus around on chillrend most of time, so it became so obvious its his crew causing lag.

Sorry but thats the fact.

I know every single ultimate each of my team use because i set them up, Only one person is using meteor in my raid and he has a special job to do, To run meteors in a raid is incredibly stupid, And i'm still at loss at why people use it.

Saft wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

We (like 40-60 DC) had some fun fights yesterday evening at BRK on Chillrend for more than an hour against like 40-60 bananas... dunno what you call large scale PvP but for me this sounds pretty large scale.

Yes we bananas had a guest visit of phoenix with his bomber crew yesterday. It was noticable because your team lost keep after keep. Otherwise reds and yellows had none or very little bomb squads, so it became very obvious the other 13 days its lagbraxus team that cause lag. Lag follow their bomb squad around.

iseko wrote: »

Not a fan of abraxus' group but I dont think they are lagging the server. Let alone intentionally. The only thing that can be said about their bomb squad is that one way to counter it is by stacking up as well, using aoe and nuking them with ulti's. Since they do the same... That conflict is gonna lag out the server. Horrid way of playing the game but still the most effective I guess.

So, you don't think lagbraxus group lag server, but you think if we all else stack ae and go bomb group it will cause lag?

Something wrong there, all healing spring spamming, metoer bombing squads cause lags, nomatter what faction. Its just there just been lagbraxus around on chillrend most of time, so it became so obvious its his crew causing lag.

Sorry but thats the fact.

We lost a lot of keeps yesterday due to lag, If enemy has more numbers than us they can flip a flag with simply no PvP.
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Anyway, We have a really good group of shemales who are very good friends, we communicate outside the game with each other with a great bond. The eXile community don't get enough credit for the actions they perform, Usually people blaming lag or numbers for there own downfall, Maybe look at yourselves and aim to be better to kill us rather than 'whaaa whaaa whaaa' It's many times we have to change campaign due to destroying a buff campaign and all the enemies throw their toys out the pram instead of knuckling down and killing us. It looks like yet again we may have to move.

WHO'S NEXT?

awesome video i'd forgot about that, the good ole days

AbraXuSeXile

Yeah good times

Exile no longer play Chillrend, we abdictated emperor and left last night. I see AD instantly flipped the map once we left lol.

Thanks for the fun.

Legedric

Well, blue flipped it again in the morning thanks to "Retter des Kaiserreiches" and "DRUCKWELLE"

Beesting

Legedric wrote: »

Well, blue flipped it again in the morning thanks to "Retter des Kaiserreiches" and "DRUCKWELLE"

Nightcappers FTW

Legedric

I don't care when AD nightcaps, better to have something to do in the morning instead of staring at the blue donut and wait for something to show up...