Snipe in PTS is just too strong.

skillastat

My Stats:

skillastat

stats are without food

DeLindsay

13K, 15K and 19K is "too strong"? Sorry but that's pretty much the same value (after scaling) as Snipe does on Live and it can be dealt with if you prepare for it. Also you have almost no Armor value, that's the biggest part of your problem.

skillastat

I mean I have 26k health without food and I'm being hit for 50% and 75% of my health.

There is no way I can achieve that.

Also that guy is sniping me 3/4 of the time without even being in stealth.

kkampaseb17_ESO

Seems normal with your almost non-existant physical mitigation, considering the x10 damage factor (which is about right with live server) and the fact you are missing a few thousand of your stats due to the CP system.

skillastat

yall really think this is normal ? On live right now there is no way I could get hit by a snipe for that amount of damage (even scaled). And I have the exact same build as of PTS

Sharee

DeLindsay wrote: »

13K, 15K and 19K is "too strong"? Sorry but that's pretty much the same value (after scaling) as Snipe does on Live

Health does not scale the same as damage tho. 19000 on PTS is much stronger (relative to typical max health) than 1900 on live.

skillastat

I spend 10 points in light armor focus for 3.8% more armor when equiping 5 piece of light armor.

I also have 1 piece of heavy armor and 1 piece of medium armor.

This thing is not balanced I tell you.

DeLindsay

Sharee wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

13K, 15K and 19K is "too strong"? Sorry but that's pretty much the same value (after scaling) as Snipe does on Live

Health does not scale the same as damage tho. 19000 on PTS is much stronger (relative to typical max health) than 1900 on live.

I was referring to the % of damage those 3 Snipes did to his 26K Health in his SS. They are roughly the same % to Health as what Snipe hits for on Live, thus I see no OP damage done here.

skillastat

In the third screen shot I'm being hit for 15k + 9k, this is 2 snipe throwed at me in a matter of seconds one after the other, killing almost 100% of my health in two attacks ?

Balanced ? I don't think so.

Sharee

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

I spend 10 points in light armor focus for 3.8% more armor when equiping 5 piece of light armor.

Just FYI, i saw a thread here from someone that tested the champion point 'armor focus' passive and realized it does not do anything except increase the armor number on character sheet.

As in, the actual damage taken before and after spending points in the passive was exactly the same.

skillastat

DeLindsay wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

13K, 15K and 19K is "too strong"? Sorry but that's pretty much the same value (after scaling) as Snipe does on Live

Health does not scale the same as damage tho. 19000 on PTS is much stronger (relative to typical max health) than 1900 on live.

I was referring to the % of damage those 3 Snipes did to his 26K Health in his SS. They are roughly the same % to Health as what Snipe hits for on Live, thus I see no OP damage done here.

As long as I lack armor, I should be able to deal as much damage as him from my crushing shock build. But that's not the case. I can't stand damages and I can't do as much damages as my opponent.

DeLindsay

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

As long as I lack armor, I should be able to deal as much damage as him from my crushing shock build. But that's not the case. I can't stand damages and I can't do as much damages as my opponent.

Um no, CS has NEVER EVER done the type of damage numbers Snipe can. Bow and 2H have the highest capable burst damage of anything in the game. The difference is most Bow users are built so that they HAVE to kill you fast, if they don't they die in a fire because they're literally a Glass-canon. It's a gank build, nothing more.

skillastat

that guy was a rock-cannon. He could witdstand the attacks of 3 people on him + do a lot of damages.

DeLindsay

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

that guy was a rock-cannon. He could witdstand the attacks of 3 people on him + do a lot of damages.

Ok let me ask you this, were these SS from 1.6.2 PTS? If so do you know if the Player who Sniped you was a Template with all 3600 Champion Points? If so, this entire thread is moot.

BTW, your Armor is value 10.2%. If he Marked you also then you basically had zero Armor. He also could've been using a Sharpened Bow to further reduce your Armor value. The numbers he hit you for are NOT REMOTELY out of line, sorry.

skillastat

Those screenshots were taken a hour ago.

Sharee

DeLindsay wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

13K, 15K and 19K is "too strong"? Sorry but that's pretty much the same value (after scaling) as Snipe does on Live

Health does not scale the same as damage tho. 19000 on PTS is much stronger (relative to typical max health) than 1900 on live.

I was referring to the % of damage those 3 Snipes did to his 26K Health in his SS. They are roughly the same % to Health as what Snipe hits for on Live, thus I see no OP damage done here.

On live, my NB has roughly 3300 health. On PTS, using the same setup i have roughly 25000 health.[edit: that is without maxed champion points; i wont see the influence of that until the next EU copy]

The % of my health taken by 3 snipes on PTS is much higher than on live.

Sharee

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

Those screenshots were taken a hour ago.

In that case it is possible that the snipes from the screenshots suffer from the same bug that the 2H attacks do. You should wait and see if the same damage is there when 1.6.3 hits PTS.

Nihil

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

Those screenshots were taken a hour ago.

As they were from an hour ago, this leads to complications. This player very well could of had all 3600 CP, thus he would of had a high armor penetration +increase damage + increase crit damage + 9 % against undead. In the 19k hit you were hit with puncture by a guard before hand thus we can assume you had the major fracture debuff lowering your armor by another 5.2k (with the CP he might of had you literally did have 0 armor).

There are a lot of players running around in full CP right now, this isn't the best indication of how powerful specific skills are.

Sharee

Nihil wrote: »

In the 19k hit you were hit with puncture by a guard before hand thus we can assume you had the major fracture debuff lowering your armor

That's a good point.

Cinbri

C'mon snipers are weak. All the time when they didn't one-shot you from sneak and you start chasing them, it transformed into this--> youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VUOe_hLg7Bo#t=24

DeLindsay

Sharee wrote: »

On live, my NB has roughly 3300 health. On PTS, using the same setup i have roughly 25000 health.

The % of my health taken by 3 snipes on PTS is much higher than on live.

Ok, let me break this down to make it easier to understand the difference between Live and PTS with scaling and what I mean by % of health. My NB, which is a similar Magicka based setup to the OP's (based on his Character's values for Magicka, Crit, Spell Dmg, etc), has roughly this.

• Health: 3220
• Armor: 1981/3250 Hard cap = 31% Armor (I use a single Leg Armor Glyph)
• Snipe: I've had it hit me for ~1800, as have many on Live = ~56% of Health

---

• OP's Health: 26,357
• OP's Armor: 6612/32,500 Hard Cap = 10.2% Armor
• Snipe: Hit him for 13,320 / 15,775 / 19,499 = 51% / 60% / 74% of Health

The OP says these SS are from 1 hour ago on 1.6.2 PTS where ANY Player can make a Template and spend all 3600 Champion Points and therefore does NOT reflect what actual damage numbers will be when 1.6 hits Live. The OP also doesn't mention how many pcs of Legendary Impen he's wearing, if any, nor how many points he's spent in Resistant, if any, in The Steed Constellation. There is also a bug right now on PTS that is allowing all damage to be increased wildly, that's being fixed in 1.6.3. Even still, I see NOTHING in your SS to say that Snipe is somehow OP. If you were being hit legitimately for say 33K back to back by Snipe (without any bugs, exploits, etc) then I'd say it was OP.

Alcast

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

yall really think this is normal ? On live right now there is no way I could get hit by a snipe for that amount of damage (even scaled). And I have the exact same build as of PTS

On Live, I shoot people before they can react. Snipe+Pois Inj+LA hit all at the same time bb enemy.

Snipe got NERFED hard on PTS. People who say otherwise have no clue at all.
Also, with 3,6k CP and all the BUGS around, you cant rly say if it does too much dmg

First hit is out of stealth, seems you have never been hit by a wrecking blow out of stealth.
________________________________________________________________
And also, you have 6k Armor= 600 armor on LIVE. you have literally NO ARMOR at ALL.
________________________________________________________________

Costismaros

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

stats are without food

Snipe is ok and it is much weaker than live. Fix your build and u will be able to play as before .

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

yall really think this is normal ? On live right now there is no way I could get hit by a snipe for that amount of damage (even scaled). And I have the exact same build as of PTS

With so many changes and u still have the old build. It is so dumn normal that you are dieying so easily.

Sorry for bad english

Sharee

DeLindsay wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

On live, my NB has roughly 3300 health. On PTS, using the same setup i have roughly 25000 health.

The % of my health taken by 3 snipes on PTS is much higher than on live.

Ok, let me break this down to make it easier to understand the difference between Live and PTS with scaling and what I mean by % of health. My NB, which is a similar Magicka based setup to the OP's (based on his Character's values for Magicka, Crit, Spell Dmg, etc), has roughly this.

• Health: 3220
• Armor: 1981/3250 Hard cap = 31% Armor (I use a single Leg Armor Glyph)
• Snipe: I've had it hit me for ~1800, as have many on Live = ~56% of Health

---

• OP's Health: 26,357
• OP's Armor: 6612/32,500 Hard Cap = 10.2% Armor
• Snipe: Hit him for 13,320 / 15,775 / 19,499 = 51% / 60% / 74% of Health

The OP says these SS are from 1 hour ago on 1.6.2 PTS where ANY Player can make a Template and spend all 3600 Champion Points and therefore does NOT reflect what actual damage numbers will be when 1.6 hits Live. The OP also doesn't mention how many pcs of Legendary Impen he's wearing, if any, nor how many points he's spent in Resistant, if any, in The Steed Constellation. There is also a bug right now on PTS that is allowing all damage to be increased wildly, that's being fixed in 1.6.3. Even still, I see NOTHING in your SS to say that Snipe is somehow OP. If you were being hit legitimately for say 33K back to back by Snipe (without any bugs, exploits, etc) then I'd say it was OP.

You say the damage values are same as on live. I say while they are the same in absolute values(after scaling), they are not the same in relative values compared to average health.

Even using your example, on live a 1800 hit removes 56% of your health, while a 18000 hit would remove 68% of OP's health. That's a 12% difference.

This number does not take armor nerfs into account yet(or CP, or anything else that changed). He would take 12% more damage simply because of the scaling difference between damage and health, even if he still had the same mitigation as he does on live.

TLDR, if snipe damage scales 1:10, and health scales 1:8, then snipes in 1.6 are relatively stronger on PTS than on live, even if their absolute damage after scaling is the same as on live.

DeLindsay

@Sharee I'm gonna have to agree to disagree at this point. Since Health only scaled by roughly x7 you cannot use the example of 1800 dmg = 18000 dmg to gauge the % of Health taken, you just use the numbers presented in each case. Also, Damage done did NOT IN ANY WAY scale x10. Right now on Live 1K DPS is the rough equivalent of 7K DPS on PTS. The folks doing 1.4-1.6K DPS on Live are NOT doing 14-16K DPS on PTS, they're doing more like 8.5-9K DPS or so.

It's very simple. The OP had almost nothing for Armor and may not have had any Impen or 'Resistant' pointed and the Sniper may have had all 3600 pts into the Champion System. We don't know since it wasn't a controlled test with all known variables and whether those Snipe numbers were being effected by the damage bug that's being fixed in 1.6.3. Regardless, the numbers in his SS's aren't out of line in any way compared to what Snipe hits for on Live, as a % to a Player's Health.

prototypefb

snipe have more than enough counters atm, it's not OP.
radiant magelight reduces snipe dmg(from stealth) by 56%, with that it will just tickle ppl, it still have cast time so it can be easily enough avoided.

Sharee

DeLindsay wrote: »

Also, Damage done did NOT IN ANY WAY scale x10.

I won't argue with you about the exact scaling, but i think it is hard to disagree health got relatively lowered on PTS because stat boosts used to increase health 1.5 times as much as the other stats, and they no longer do.

My magicka and my stamina (stats that my damage is derived from) are the same on PTS as on live (after scaling of course), but my hitpoints (after scaling) are significantly lower. Thus, all damage i do got relatively boosted compared to the average health of my targets(the same attack will remove more % of enemy life than it used to).

danno8

6612 armour is around 10% mitigation. Bottom line is if you expect to survive on PTS in LA you need a damage shield.

ME ranged attackers get better armour, LA ranged attackers get better shields. Although I do think they should consider sneak attacks from ranged spells.

skillastat

Ok let me explain:

On live I got 1113 armor, should been 10x more in PTS ? That could be then around 11130 ? But as you see I have roughly 6000 on the pts

Alcast wrote: »

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

yall really think this is normal ? On live right now there is no way I could get hit by a snipe for that amount of damage (even scaled). And I have the exact same build as of PTS

On Live, I shoot people before they can react. Snipe+Pois Inj+LA hit all at the same time bb enemy.

Snipe got NERFED hard on PTS. People who say otherwise have no clue at all.
Also, with 3,6k CP and all the BUGS around, you cant rly say if it does too much dmg

First hit is out of stealth, seems you have never been hit by a wrecking blow out of stealth.
________________________________________________________________
And also, you have 6k Armor= 600 armor on LIVE. you have literally NO ARMOR at ALL.
________________________________________________________________

I'm using 5 pieces of Impen, Epic.

I did not spent any points in the Resist critical CP, as I only have a limited numbers for now.

---

Finally, I have huge amount of times in ESO PvP that I can tell this guy was really OP. I have took numerous arrows to know that this guy was really OP. 3 People couldn't handle his power.

If it's what you become when you reach 3600cp, then wow... the game will be a lot unbalanced in 2-3 years.

sagitter

6000 armor??? hahaha you must be a light armor users... 1.6 dude, bye bye fakey tanky light armorersssss. and 5 pieces of impenetrable ae nothing in 1.6, they changed impenetrable formula, now u need 7 pieces and the champion passive anti critic, to have half the impenetrable value of 1.5.