No Undaunted dungeons for non vets?

Ommamar

So I have a level 16 sorcerer that I want to test out in a public dungeon used for the undaunted pledges. When I try to enter there is a message that says your veteran ranks isn't high enough. Is this new? I took a level 21 DK through Darkshade Cavern right after 1.6.2 hit live with no problem. Why wouldn't I be able to take a level 16 in too Eden Hollow?

Jakhajay

Undaunted pledges don't unlock until level 45.
Also, if you're trying to enter the dungeon while grouped with a vet and the group type is set to vet, then yeah, you can't enter. If you're going into Elden Hollow alone at lvl 16 then I'll chuckle as you get mercilessly slaughtered

Ommamar

Wow so you know playing two characters to vet I hadn't discovered when undaunted pledges started, thanks so much (Sarcams)! I am not talking about the pledges but the dungeon in each zone that is available to go into before you hit level 45 that gasp give undaunted experience. He was not grouped and never been grouped so the whole set to vet doesn't apply.
As to being mercifilly slaughtered you obviously didn't read the post as I stated that I took a level 21 into Darkshade cavern on test and with the 3600 CP applied and was able to succesfully solo that dungeon.

DeLindsay

First, ALL instanced 4 person Dungeons are Undaunted. They start from Level 10 and up. You can technically enter ANY of these Dungeons even vastly underleved and it will default the difficulty to that Dungeon's minimum, like Level 10 for Banished Cells. Second, as @Jakhajay said the daily Pledges for the Bronze and Silver Keys open up at Level 45. The daily Vet Pledges for the Silver and Gold Keys open up at VR1.

Ommamar

DeLindsay wrote: »

First, ALL instanced 4 person Dungeons are Undaunted. They start from Level 10 and up. You can technically enter ANY of these Dungeons even vastly underleved and it will default the difficulty to that Dungeon's minimum, like Level 10 for Banished Cells. Second, as @Jakhajay said the daily Pledges for the Bronze and Silver Keys open up at Level 45. The daily Vet Pledges for the Silver and Gold Keys open up at VR1.

No it won't. Apparently the level after you have done the initial quest is 20 plus. I logged on live and got the same message when I try to enter Banish Cell and Eden Hollow with my level 16. "Veteran level is not high enough." I have no idea when this changed but that is how it appears to be on both test and live.

As to the undaunted pledges I say again thanks so much obviously having the helm and shoulders from Spindleclutch means I need this explained to me.

Harleyquincey

Ommamar: well, quite apparently you don't know about this issue, so be glad someone took the time to try and answer it for you, ungrateful and ill-mannered as you appear to be. Frankly I could answer this in more detail to you - but you know what? Nope. Not going to happen.

Best of luck with future questions - maybe you will by then pose them in a manner that allows others to understand them and answer them the way you want them to be answered.

DeLindsay

Ommamar wrote: »

No it won't. Apparently the level after you have done the initial quest is 20 plus. I logged on live and got the same message when I try to enter Banish Cell and Eden Hollow with my level 16. "Veteran level is not high enough." I have no idea when this changed but that is how it appears to be on both test and live.

As to the undaunted pledges I say again thanks so much obviously having the helm and shoulders from Spindleclutch means I need this explained to me.

The "Your Veteran level is not high enough" message is a known bug that they still haven't fixed, it has nothing to do with 1.6.2 being on PTS (it's not actually on Live yet like you stated in your OP) as it's been effecting Live for a while now, just randomly. Using my lowest Character on Live (LvL 7) here is what I saw when trying to enter each Zone's Dungeon group (only tried 1 per set of 3):

• BC: Level 10 Enemies (I entered just fine).
• EH: Level 17 Enemies (I entered just fine).
• CoA: Level 24 Enemies (I entered just fine).
• TI: Level 31 Enemies (I entered just fine).
• SW: Level 38 Enemies (I entered just fine).
• VoM: Level 45 Enemies (I entered just fine).

Then I jumped on PTS 1.6.2 to see if I could replicate your error (that I also have received on Live a few times in the past) again using my LvL 7 Character:

• BC: Same as above.
• EH: Same as above
• CoA: Same as above
• TI: Same as above
• SW: Same as above
• VoM: Same as above

As I couldn't replicate your error I'd suggest you submit a bug report to ZoS. I'm not sure how much good it'll do since it's a known bug but why not right. The reason I explained about the Undaunted is the wording in your OP. You even called them Public Dungeons but they're actually Group Dungeons. Then in your reply you state that the minimum after doing the initial quest is 20 but it isn't, you can clearly walk in the Dungeon and complete it at any level below (the lower you are the more likely you'll need to be ran through) and the minimum Enemy Level for the 2nd Zone set of 3 is 17. It was the wording that made it sound like you weren't an experienced ESO Player, my fault for the misunderstanding.

Ommamar

I did use the term public dungeon but did qualify it as Undaunted dungeons. I can see your misunderstanding. The initial question was referring to what the cause of this might be. When I can take characters above level 20 into the dungeons on both servers my assumption is that the level to access these dungeons after it was completed is level 20. I have put in a bug report on both servers but apparently this is a known issue that is hard to duplicate.
If it had been stated that it was a bug the discussion would of been ended instead I have people coming on in a belittling tone that indicates that I have no game experience even though there is qualifiers showing that I do have some knowledge of the game. Then when I respond in a defensive manner I get people who have no knowledge of me or apparently any posts I have on the forums calling me Ill-mannered and Ungrateful.

DefLindsay I do appreciate you taking the time and your last post clarified the issue is a known bug, thanks!

Coatmagic

This is fairly well known issue on live since the arrival of pledges. Because the dungeon difficulty button is missing from non vet ui. Some people get bugged and are unable to enter via the ' you are not of sufficient level ' bs etc. Workaround is to group with a vet and have them reset your difficulty. Today when I did this for a group of 17s trying to do BC, I wound up having to invite each of them one by one and reset because we could not figure out who was bugged. I hope ZOS gets this fixed because it is very frustrating for the non vet, non pledge level groups just trying to enjoy a proper group dungeon. Peace.

Gyudan

Coatmagic wrote: »

This is fairly well known issue on live since the arrival of pledges. Because the dungeon difficulty button is missing from non vet ui. Some people get bugged and are unable to enter via the ' you are not of sufficient level ' bs etc. Workaround is to group with a vet and have them reset your difficulty. Today when I did this for a group of 17s trying to do BC, I wound up having to invite each of them one by one and reset because we could not figure out who was bugged. I hope ZOS gets this fixed because it is very frustrating for the non vet, non pledge level groups just trying to enjoy a proper group dungeon. Peace.

+1
You need to find a veteran player that will switch the difficulty level back for you. That's a bit annoying but you won't be able to enter any group dungeon otherwise.
@ZOS_GinaBruno: any ETA on a bugfix for this?

Ommamar

Coatmagic wrote: »

This is fairly well known issue on live since the arrival of pledges. Because the dungeon difficulty button is missing from non vet ui. Some people get bugged and are unable to enter via the ' you are not of sufficient level ' bs etc. Workaround is to group with a vet and have them reset your difficulty. Today when I did this for a group of 17s trying to do BC, I wound up having to invite each of them one by one and reset because we could not figure out who was bugged. I hope ZOS gets this fixed because it is very frustrating for the non vet, non pledge level groups just trying to enjoy a proper group dungeon. Peace.

Well I guess I am behind the curve then. I don't generally run dungeons with my alts unless I am asked. Then when I am my vet Templar healer is usually requested. It is no big deal was just a way for me to tell how powerful a build is with all the champion points allotted.