No 3600 pts next week pls

Vanzen

I hope we wont have 3600 CP pts next week as it makes testing kind of unrealistic thus useless. Maybe mid ground like 200/300 would be nice.

xylena

360 would let us max out one tree in each group, that would be an ideal number... 3600 is god mode, killable only via that crazy 2h damage stacking bug

Harleyquincey

I would actually really like if next week had 3.600 CP as well since I didn't get to test that with my live characters yet and nobody forces you to spend all of them. You could just as well spend only 300 of them. Plus it sort of was weird the 3.600 weren't an option from the beginning on of this test phase.

I for one would really like to be able to test out gradual changes and would be applying 150 at first, then 300, then 600, then 1.800 and finally 3.600 to see the results.

Rivan12

NO, its a test server. Want to test a 70cp build invest only the 70 points. Leave the 3600 on the PTS for others that would wish to test builds differently than you.

Vanzen

Rivan12 wrote: »

NO, its a test server. Want to test a 70cp build invest only the 70 points. Leave the 3600 on the PTS for others that would wish to test builds differently than you.

exept it makes pvp testing irrelevant.

Syntse

Vanzen wrote: »

Rivan12 wrote: »

NO, its a test server. Want to test a 70cp build invest only the 70 points. Leave the 3600 on the PTS for others that would wish to test builds differently than you.

exept it makes pvp testing irrelevant.

Only if the testers make it irrelevant. I'm sure it's not that hard to find spot somewhere to test with people who actually like to test where there are no people with 3600 cp used.

McDoogs

Syntse wrote: »

Vanzen wrote: »

Rivan12 wrote: »

NO, its a test server. Want to test a 70cp build invest only the 70 points. Leave the 3600 on the PTS for others that would wish to test builds differently than you.

exept it makes pvp testing irrelevant.

Only if the testers make it irrelevant. I'm sure it's not that hard to find spot somewhere to test with people who actually like to test where there are no people with 3600 cp used.

lol it's fairly difficult to arrange and impossible to verify. I don't know why people keep saying stuff like this. 3600CP trivializes everything in game, and the vast majority of even serious ESO players will never come close to it w/o leveling exploits. At best, we are testing game balance as it may be years in the future, which is pointless in a dynamic application like this (as everything will change, probably several times before then).

Vanzen

Lets say 80% of people are casual players. I dont see them gaining more than 1cp a day, in the present (too hard) ways of gaining cp, even no more than 5 cp a week. So 250 cp a year.... I dont think casual players will still be playing ESO 15 years from now ... So what s the point of testing 3600 pts extensively ?

McDoogs

Vanzen wrote: »

Lets say 80% of people are casual players. I dont see them gaining more than 1cp a day, in the present (too hard) ways of gaining cp, even no more than 5 cp a week. So 250 cp a year.... I dont think casual players will still be playing ESO 15 years from now ... So what s the point of testing 3600 pts extensively ?

Exactly, plus everything we are testing now with 3600CP is subject to change, probably several times by the time even the most hardcore grinders get close to these totals.

ArconSeptim

Why shouldnt eu players get also 3600 points? We have armor sets to test theorycraft and so.Based on the reports this week, 1.6.3 will I hope fix these enourmous insane amounts of dmg happening now.

McDoogs

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Why shouldnt eu players get also 3600 points? We have armor sets to test theorycraft and so.Based on the reports this week, 1.6.3 will I hope fix these enourmous insane amounts of dmg happening now.

400CP wouldnt be enough for you? I'd rather have that than 3600 personally

Asgari

Trust me EU players, you dont want to test with 3600 CP. It is a huge waste of time and way more than 80% are using all 3600. Also with the dmg bug going on I have maybe had 3 clean fights so far this week and it involved people using all 3600.

Using 3600 makes any build you use irrelevant as you have stats you would not have for 3+ years.

ToRelax

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Trust me EU players, you dont want to test with 3600 CP. It is a huge waste of time and way more than 80% are using all 3600. Also with the dmg bug going on I have maybe had 3 clean fights so far this week and it involved people using all 3600.

Using 3600 makes any build you use irrelevant as you have stats you would not have for 3+ years.

Plus, you are not specializing in anything with 3600 CP.

RoamingRiverElk

I do not have faith in the Champion trees staying as they are for three years, once they go live. When people start getting OP compared to newer players, those trees will be changed. See all the complaints about DKs nowadays? That's nothing compared to the advantages the Champion system will give to people.

Alcast

Vanzen wrote: »

I hope we wont have 3600 CP pts next week as it makes testing kind of unrealistic thus useless. Maybe mid ground like 200/300 would be nice.

Just do not add them all? Just use your 70 CP and thats it.

Harleyquincey

Sorry but I don't care the slightest about the PvP testing experience since that's simply not what I play in, so yeah.. if you want to test that, you might indeed have a somewhat increased difficulty ..unless of course you're in a .. I dunno.. PvP guild? Why not ask some of your mates to go for Alliance X and others go for Alliance Y and bam! Testing galore!

Contrary to that, having different amounts of CP I can use to test the PvE side of my builds would help me tremendously to see where the sweet spots are and what my aim should be, regarding CP - like: does it make sense to farm CP until X or rather until Y?

That's questions I have and I'd like to be able to answer for myself - the PvP community has its own chance at doing this the way I described above and that's just been 10 seconds of thought, I'm sure there'd be even more elaborate ways to do this (organizing an event e.g.).

Vanzen

Harleyquincey wrote: »

Sorry but I don't care the slightest about the PvP testing experience since that's simply not what I play in, so yeah.. if you want to test that, you might indeed have a somewhat increased difficulty ..unless of course you're in a .. I dunno.. PvP guild? Why not ask some of your mates to go for Alliance X and others go for Alliance Y and bam! Testing galore!

Contrary to that, having different amounts of CP I can use to test the PvE side of my builds would help me tremendously to see where the sweet spots are and what my aim should be, regarding CP - like: does it make sense to farm CP until X or rather until Y?

That's questions I have and I'd like to be able to answer for myself - the PvP community has its own chance at doing this the way I described above and that's just been 10 seconds of thought, I'm sure there'd be even more elaborate ways to do this (organizing an event e.g.).

K, I see your point ... But
You wont test nuts in Pve as dev explicitely said :
"This will cause PvE content to become easier than it was originally balanced for, and is not the intended balance of the system."
So 3600 pts makes pvp AND pve testing irrelevant.

ArconSeptim

So you say Champion system is fail or what?You can test the template with only 100 points invested it depends on you and the people you test with.
You have just got possibility to test the complete investment of cp or place how much and where you want them.

I also agree with the insane amount of points, they should be low or make the cost of one cp at least three or two times lower than now.Or maybe just bring back better xp for killing mobs in the world, as you nerfed Craglorn a lot, the whole xp system is really weak now.Do you understand on what it targets now?

McDoogs

Alcast wrote: »

Vanzen wrote: »

I hope we wont have 3600 CP pts next week as it makes testing kind of unrealistic thus useless. Maybe mid ground like 200/300 would be nice.

Just do not add them all? Just use your 70 CP and thats it.

That works solo pve sure

Vanzen

Champion System is not a fail. I think CP progression is meant to go along with new harder pve content release. I further think that the 3600 availlable pts this week was for the devs's benefit, and not at all for the players.

ArconSeptim

Vanzen wrote: »

Champion System is not a fail. I think CP progression is meant to go along with new harder pve content release. I further think that the 3600 availlable pts this week was for the devs's benefit, and not at all for the players.

And your conclusion is?

Vanzen

Well "my" opinion is : 3600 pts on pts next week is useless for pve players except for the pleasure of experiencing god mode, as the game is not balanced atm to handle all those CP, and prejudiciable for pvp testing as its almost impossible to reach a aggreement between players as how many points to use.

Vanzen

I think this is more acute with the new changes to sorc, to see if its viable with only 70pts at the beginning. PVP and PVE wise.

Snit

Don't spend them all, at least not all at once.

Last week, with NA characters, I made sure to spend a few days at 70 points so I'd have an apples/ apples comparison with my current live character. I suggest you do that first before going to 500, 1,000 or higher to see what breaks then

Samadhi

Vanzen wrote: »

I hope we wont have 3600 CP pts next week as it makes testing kind of unrealistic thus useless. Maybe mid ground like 200/300 would be nice.

What exactly are you testing?
Ways to min/max your character for an edge on Live after the patch is released?
Or, to make sure that all of the passives in the Champion System are working correctly without bugs before the patch is released?