Suggestion: New Alliance Skillline "Assassination"

Lhorion

Hey,
keep fights are always the same! Shooting with ballistas, running inside, shooting again, running inside, capture the flag. The defenders always wait on the top of the wall. When the outer wall is under ca. 15% they go inside. When the inner wall is under ca. 15% they place the oil.
Jumping in a keep as werewolf or as DK seems to be not intended and using the ambush exploit is not intendes as well. I know this, but i am sad about this. Why? Because this are things that make keep fights more interesting. Okay I am a DK, but i know many other guys that don't play DK (sorc for example) that like those ways to get inside.
My suggestion is
a) The Nightlade should have a skill to get inside (intended)
b) A Skilline in PvP ("Assassination") could be there for making keep fights more interesting. Using ladders, using ropes to help your group following you, a ult that helps you climb on a wall (could be a cast of 10-20 seconds and be interuptable, so you have to this from behind when noone is watching).

For preventing that a zerg will climb there you could cap the numberof enemies that can be inside before the walls are down to 4/6/8.

This are my thoughts, maybe you know some ieas to make it better/more realistic?
Or do you think it is completely bad?

Regards
Lorion

Kartalin

The idea of ladders is interesting, but they would be the pretty OP if people could get into a keep without knocking down something. Maybe if they were low health siege weapons so they only had one or two uses before breaking it could work. Or if they could only be set up at oil pot platforms so that if you were seen oil could be quickly set up and melt the ladder with one hit. Hmm, limit the number usable at one time, no cool down but slow like a treb, it may be able to work but it'd take some serious balancing.

Scamandros

True Assassins never leave home without their trusty 10m ladders

Lhorion

Ladder:
A defender could be able to interrupt the casu (placing the ladder) for example. And the ladder could just bring 2-4 people in the wall. But you are right, it is hard to prefent the next OP-thing.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

if defenders could burn the ladders from the wall and attackers went through a 'door like' animation at the top (takes 5-10 seconds before they can do anything) Ladders would be really interesting, would make people spread out around the keep and defend back keeps for fear of a stealth take.

Additionally if they made it so attackers cant set up siege inside a keep where the outer wall isn't breached (or below 25%) would prevent people just sieging only the inner wall

HeroOfNone

Might like this idea I put up a while ago

Suggestion: ladders, grappling hooks, and siege tower.

Important thing will be to make there be enough disadvantage to climbing into keeps, otherwise flipping them could take just 2-3 minutes without any battle or back and forth pushing, making pvp less about actual siege warfare, which is the current direction.

Soulac

Lhorion wrote: »

Hey,
keep fights are always the same! Shooting with ballistas, running inside, shooting again, running inside, capture the flag. The defenders always wait on the top of the wall. When the outer wall is under ca. 15% they go inside. When the inner wall is under ca. 15% they place the oil.
Jumping in a keep as werewolf or as DK seems to be not intended and using the ambush exploit is not intendes as well. I know this, but i am sad about this. Why? Because this are things that make keep fights more interesting. Okay I am a DK, but i know many other guys that don't play DK (sorc for example) that like those ways to get inside.
My suggestion is
a) The Nightlade should have a skill to get inside (intended)
b) A Skilline in PvP ("Assassination") could be there for making keep fights more interesting. Using ladders, using ropes to help your group following you, a ult that helps you climb on a wall (could be a cast of 10-20 seconds and be interuptable, so you have to this from behind when noone is watching).

For preventing that a zerg will climb there you could cap the numberof enemies that can be inside before the walls are down to 4/6/8.

This are my thoughts, maybe you know some ieas to make it better/more realistic?
Or do you think it is completely bad?

Regards
Lorion

Shut up and take my like!

Mumyo

http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/45/2162_l.jpg
Saw this in another thread.
*drools*

Lhorion

Siege towers are a nice idea, too. But all this things should be balanced so there won't be a way to ignore walls.

AriBoh

If we could just climb inside a keep why would anybody bother sieging? you want even more boring fights where keeps are taken without them being lit up to warn the owning faction?

Lhorion

Please read! I suggestes a cap of people inside a keep before the wall is down.
Btw you have to siege the walls before you can capture the flags. Once i jumped into a keep, killed the enemies and were not able to capture the flags -> wall has to be down.

Ghostbane

Still waiting for those siege bridges from the Cinematics....

Xeniph

There was a game a number of years back that allowed the rogue archetype to climb walls, every keep had a couple of points this could be done at.

And another game a few years later that had a pvp skill that allowed players to enter postern doors, on a CD.

Both of these brought a lot of flavor and fun to classes that normally have little to do in large objective battles.

I would love to see something like either of these brought to ESO.

Etaniel

I would love ladders, but they wouldnt work really well with the current keep setups imo.

I think the walls should be raised to at least twice their height ( so that keeps actually look like keeps), walls should have more hp so it takes longer than 1 minute to take down a wall, and ladders should only be placable in a few spots along the walls, lets say 5 or 6. Only one person could be on a ladder at the same time, and it would take between 5-8 seconds to climb to the top and be able to fight, putting the climber in a risky situation as he could be targeted by archers or oil while he climbs.

Ladders shouldn't be able to get you inside the inner wall though, otherwise sieging would become completely worthless.
Also, instead of showing the keep "under siege" on the map, there should be a new icon showing that the keep is "being infiltrated", and defenders could still port inside to fight off the invaders.

Grim13

My NB should be able to sneak into a keep and open the front gate!