If I buy expensive mount in 1.5 will I keep the extra % speed in 1.6?

Dreamo84

Sorry if this has been answered, I couldn't find the answer I needed. I know with just the basic mounts the 15% base speed is lost in 1.6 (my 60% speed went down to 45%).

But what if I buy a brand new character the expensive horse with 25% base speed? will I get the extra 10% once 1.6 goes live or do I lose that too?

I'm contemplating purchasing a pricey mount on my alt so he has more speed come 1.6 but I don't think I want to spend the money if it won't benefit me.

Dagoth_Rac

I believe it just takes the highest speed/stamina/inventory stat, regardless of horse. So if you have a standard horse fed nothing but oats and raised to inventory 50, and then a pack horse fed half oats and half apples so his inventory is 35, you will have inventory 50 in Update 6. Does not matter that you had the special pack horse who starts with extra inventory. Unless you fed that pack horse enough oats to get him past 50, you will not have inventory of 50+ in Update 6.

I think! :-)

Max2497

I have not seen the benefits of my special horse on PTS. I think it's supposed to transfer, but it's not.

Dreamo84

Kinda lame if it doesn't. Obviously people paid extra for the boost. I understand the base 15% not showing but I think the additional 10% should.

Gyudan

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

Dreamo84

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

That's what I was hoping for though! Just wanted to give my alt a 10 day head start :-p

timidobserver

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Dreamo84

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses has a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

All horses have base 10 stamina. I think they only count the extra stats from the horses that cost gold. Hence why he said 10 days of training not 25

Max2497

When I get home, I can quote exact stats, but I purchased a stamina horse on live. Only the upgrades I paid for transferred to the PTS, not the extra stamina the more expensive horse came with.

If you want to save time, the best bet is to buy an additional imperial horse and upgrade them simultaneously, one stamina, one cargo, and one speed.

Dreamo84

Max2497 wrote: »

When I get home, I can quote exact stats, but I purchased a stamina horse on live. Only the upgrades I paid for transferred to the PTS, not the extra stamina the more expensive horse came with.

If you want to save time, the best bet is to buy an additional imperial horse and upgrade them simultaneously, one stamina, one cargo, and one speed.

That's what I was doing anyway but was still hoping a shortcut might work! I might just buy one anyway... Unlock the appearance at any rate and I see they still cost as much in 1.6x

Dreamo84

Actually... I think the expensive mounts is in fact WHY the cap is 60% and not 50%. Because you could only train to lvl 50 so nobody would go into 1.6 with 60% unless they got the extra 10% from the expensive mount.

I think the base stats are baked in now because I used a mount with no training and it was definitely not 1% speed increase. I think the base 15% is automatic now.

Dreamo84

Found some dev quotes that confirm.

If you have an imperial horse you fed 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 50% speed in the conversion to 1.6.

But if you have a light horse(speed) and feed him 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 60% speed in 1.6 conversion.

So, in fact, the only way to start 1.6 with the max in any stat is to have fully trained one of the expensive horses in their primary stat.

Darlgon

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Found some dev quotes that confirm.

If you have an imperial horse you fed 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 50% speed in the conversion to 1.6.

But if you have a light horse(speed) and feed him 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 60% speed in 1.6 conversion.

So, in fact, the only way to start 1.6 with the max in any stat is to have fully trained one of the expensive horses in their primary stat.

You may see that stated,, but we are not seeing those results on the PTS. My horse lost the base stats that made him better than the Imperial. However, I DID get the benefits from feeding the 50 apples and 50 for bag space.

Gyudan

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

I'm not going to look for the dev explanation post about this. It exists though. If it's not working on the PTS, it's just a matter of time. Players who have full inventory while using a draft horse would otherwise lose 10 items each, which had been reported as a bug in 1.6.0. I have no idea if it has been fixed yet.

In any case, do not buy expensive horses! Unless you think that 10 days of training are worth 30K gold or you really want the looks of one of them, it's not worth the investment.

Dreamo84

Darlgon wrote: »

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Found some dev quotes that confirm.

If you have an imperial horse you fed 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 50% speed in the conversion to 1.6.

But if you have a light horse(speed) and feed him 50 apples in 1.5 you will have 60% speed in 1.6 conversion.

So, in fact, the only way to start 1.6 with the max in any stat is to have fully trained one of the expensive horses in their primary stat.

You may see that stated,, but we are not seeing those results on the PTS. My horse lost the base stats that made him better than the Imperial. However, I DID get the benefits from feeding the 50 apples and 50 for bag space.

Well remember, it's only the 10 extra that is a bonus. could just be a bug though I dunno lol

Max2497

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Thanks for posting this. This made me realize my extra 10 in stamina DID transfer over. What's not transferring over is the base that the horses normally come with. All horses have a minimum base of 10 stamina. Buying the gaited horse gets a bonus of 10 additional stamina. The bonus plus number of upgrades it what becomes the riding skill. On Live, I had a gaited horse (10 base plus 10 bonus) and 17 upgrades for a total of 37. On PTS, I have 27. The fact that the imperials are also showing a loss of 10 means the bonuses are transferring the base stats are not. I checked the same with speed. I only have a imperial horse so it has a base speed of 15%. My riding skill on PTS was 15 less than the horse's speed on Live. There shouldn't be any difference between cargo capacity numbers between Live and PTS because the base cargo is 0.

timidobserver

Max2497 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Thanks for posting this. This made me realize my extra 10 in stamina DID transfer over. What's not transferring over is the base that the horses normally come with. All horses have a minimum base of 10 stamina. Buying the gaited horse gets a bonus of 10 additional stamina. The bonus plus number of upgrades it what becomes the riding skill. On Live, I had a gaited horse (10 base plus 10 bonus) and 17 upgrades for a total of 37. On PTS, I have 27. The fact that the imperials are also showing a loss of 10 means the bonuses are transferring the base stats are not. I checked the same with speed. I only have a imperial horse so it has a base speed of 15%. My riding skill on PTS was 15 less than the horse's speed on Live. There shouldn't be any difference between cargo capacity numbers between Live and PTS because the base cargo is 0.

Cool, that makes it make sense. Thanks for posting that.

Slurg

Max2497 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Thanks for posting this. This made me realize my extra 10 in stamina DID transfer over. What's not transferring over is the base that the horses normally come with. All horses have a minimum base of 10 stamina. Buying the gaited horse gets a bonus of 10 additional stamina. The bonus plus number of upgrades it what becomes the riding skill. On Live, I had a gaited horse (10 base plus 10 bonus) and 17 upgrades for a total of 37. On PTS, I have 27. The fact that the imperials are also showing a loss of 10 means the bonuses are transferring the base stats are not. I checked the same with speed. I only have a imperial horse so it has a base speed of 15%. My riding skill on PTS was 15 less than the horse's speed on Live. There shouldn't be any difference between cargo capacity numbers between Live and PTS because the base cargo is 0.

Yes, the above is the correct answer. Many people found the +10 for each owned 42,700 horse did not copy over on the initial 1.6.0 NA character copy, which caused a lot of confusion, but I can also confirm it did transfer on the most recent 1.6.2 character copy. The stats that come with the common or imperial horses do not transfer, only the feedings count. And all stats cap at 60.

I wish they would publish an article about this so everyone can understand what is supposed to happen.

Dreamo84

Slurg wrote: »

Max2497 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Gyudan wrote: »

Buying the most expensive horses will just save you 10 days of training now. The stats are capped at 60% for everyone.
(yes, it sucks)

This is not true and I hope no one blows a ton of gold after reading it to try to save 10 days.

It only counts the points you've spent not the extra your horse may have come with. For example, on live I have an imperial horse with 17 stamina. Imperial horses have a base 10 stamina and I spent 7 points leveling stamina, which makes 17. On the PTS, my horse stamina is 7.

Thanks for posting this. This made me realize my extra 10 in stamina DID transfer over. What's not transferring over is the base that the horses normally come with. All horses have a minimum base of 10 stamina. Buying the gaited horse gets a bonus of 10 additional stamina. The bonus plus number of upgrades it what becomes the riding skill. On Live, I had a gaited horse (10 base plus 10 bonus) and 17 upgrades for a total of 37. On PTS, I have 27. The fact that the imperials are also showing a loss of 10 means the bonuses are transferring the base stats are not. I checked the same with speed. I only have a imperial horse so it has a base speed of 15%. My riding skill on PTS was 15 less than the horse's speed on Live. There shouldn't be any difference between cargo capacity numbers between Live and PTS because the base cargo is 0.

Yes, the above is the correct answer. Many people found the +10 for each owned 42,700 horse did not copy over on the initial 1.6.0 NA character copy, which caused a lot of confusion, but I can also confirm it did transfer on the most recent 1.6.2 character copy. The stats that come with the common or imperial horses do not transfer, only the feedings count. And all stats cap at 60.

I wish they would publish an article about this so everyone can understand what is supposed to happen.

Yes, I think the base stats are baked into the mount automatically now. If you get a new mount on PTS with no training you definitely still have the base 15% run speed. I'm sure that added some confusion as well.

Wolfenbelle

I have been playing a Light Horse since about the end of April 2014. Leveled to 50 with all points in speed.

Here are the stats on live:

75% speed
11 stamina
1 capacity

Here are the stats on PTS:

60% speed
1 stamina
1 capacity

So you can see that even if an extra 10% speed is "baked" in, the horse still has less speed in 1.6.2 than it does now in the live 1.5.x. So much has been nerfed in this game that it's discouraging. But no, I'm not giving up.

Dreamo84

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

I have been playing a Light Horse since about the end of April 2014. Leveled to 50 with all points in speed.

Here are the stats on live:

75% speed
11 stamina
1 capacity

Here are the stats on PTS:

60% speed
1 stamina
1 capacity

So you can see that even if an extra 10% speed is "baked" in, the horse still has less speed in 1.6.2 than it does now in the live 1.5.x. So much has been nerfed in this game that it's discouraging. But no, I'm not giving up.

It's 15% that's baked in. So on PTS you have 60% + 15% = 75%

Slurg

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

I have been playing a Light Horse since about the end of April 2014. Leveled to 50 with all points in speed.

Here are the stats on live:

75% speed
11 stamina
1 capacity

Here are the stats on PTS:

60% speed
1 stamina
1 capacity

So you can see that even if an extra 10% speed is "baked" in, the horse still has less speed in 1.6.2 than it does now in the live 1.5.x. So much has been nerfed in this game that it's discouraging. But no, I'm not giving up.

It's 15% that's baked in. So on PTS you have 60% + 15% = 75%

60 speed is what appears on the character sheet for a fully maxed light horse in live copied to 1.6.2.

This is one reason why we need an official article with screenshots explaining what we are supposed to see in the new mount system.

At least I did not lose a ton of inventory in the last character copy due to mount storage capacity like I did on the first one.

WebBull

ZOS, please provide a clearly defined article in this thread of exactly how this is supposed to work. Nothing can be tested if no one knows for sure how it is supposed to work.

Merlin13KAGL

Take the max of each stat for all the horses available to a particular character, and you should have the combination of those stats in one horse, for that character only.

If I have a Max Stamina Horse, and a 25/25 Speed/Bag horse on character A, on 1.6 all my mounts for character A only should have 50 stamina, 25 speed, 25 capacity. (This applies to any mount, including crown store purchases)

Repeat the process for the remaining characters.

Digiman

Riding skills applies the horse with the highest skill. So if you have a 50 speed horse and level 60 speed horse, your riding skill will pick the the level 60 speed horse and ignore the 50 unless it has a different skin, at which point that skin becomes available.

This goes for all stats. Right now I am grinding a fast horse with just apples, another horse with just oats and another with just hey so when the patch does go live and they have the highest stats then I would save a lot on riding lessons.

Dreamo84

Digiman wrote: »

Riding skills applies the horse with the highest skill. So if you have a 50 speed horse and level 60 speed horse, your riding skill will pick the the level 60 speed horse and ignore the 50 unless it has a different skin, at which point that skin becomes available.

This goes for all stats. Right now I am grinding a fast horse with just apples, another horse with just oats and another with just hey so when the patch does go live and they have the highest stats then I would save a lot on riding lessons.

Hehe doing the same myself.

baratron

Horse stats were broken in 1.6.0. They are fixed in 1.6.2. See my posts in this thread. (Am posting during work so can't write more here).