Princess_Asgari wrote: »Yes as I just said in your other thread. Follow the Feng and Draq way and Ye shall receive the passives!
IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Yes, but only if you're experienced and know what you're doing.
Wrong. This is the excuse noobs use when they can't get emp. Yes you have to put in a lot of time, but you can't just follow the zerg and expect to get emp. You need a good group and have to consistently find some fresh kills that are worth full AP, which you aren't gonna get if you're just following a zerg.j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Yes, but only if you're experienced and know what you're doing.
Pfft, its all about who plays the most - the more you play the more points you get. Don't even have to be skilled. Just follow the mob and collect the ticks from taking/defending keeps and resources. The only hard part is you have to put in alot of hours.
EskimoBrother wrote: »Wrong. This is the excuse noobs use when they can't get emp. Yes you have to put in a lot of time, but you can't just follow the zerg and expect to get emp. You need a good group and have to consistently find some fresh kills that are worth full AP, which you aren't gonna get if you're just following a zerg.j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Yes, but only if you're experienced and know what you're doing.
Pfft, its all about who plays the most - the more you play the more points you get. Don't even have to be skilled. Just follow the mob and collect the ticks from taking/defending keeps and resources. The only hard part is you have to put in alot of hours.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
A solo player can be out-farmed by a better solo player, you lose AP gain in a group, period. Only thing that groups can do better is farm larger numbers at resources/outposts. However, a solo sorcerer cannot be out-farmed. A sorcerer with a brain can negate a whole group at a keep and wipe them, and gobble up 30k AP in under 5 minutes because of it. Also, who cares about old guilds like NM, they all died. What they use to be capable of they aren't, relishing past accomplishments is silly, quit looking back and start trucking forward. :disagree:
Princess_Asgari wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
A solo player can be out-farmed by a better solo player, you lose AP gain in a group, period. Only thing that groups can do better is farm larger numbers at resources/outposts. However, a solo sorcerer cannot be out-farmed. A sorcerer with a brain can negate a whole group at a keep and wipe them, and gobble up 30k AP in under 5 minutes because of it. Also, who cares about old guilds like NM, they all died. What they use to be capable of they aren't, relishing past accomplishments is silly, quit looking back and start trucking forward. :disagree:
Games change, groups evolve. I wasn't relishing on anything, I'm simply stating a small solid group is unbeatable.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
ezareth_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Back when The Elder Trolls ran we were in the top 10 spots by a mile over anyone els. The days of a single guild being able to control an entire campaign are over unless they are a full on zerg guild. Either way, in every competitive campaign I've played I've always done far better solo than in a group unless I was going up against overwhelming odds against an organized group.
Even in the days of Draq attaq and Fengrush who's oilpot extravaganzas you're so fond of I outgained either of them while solo throughout many days but usually I either joined the campaign late or didn't play as much for a time due to RL. The problem with group play is you can't always consistently find "group-worthy" AP where as a soloer you can pretty much always keep a steady supply of 900+ AP kills trickling in. Those "slow periods" are the main reason I prefer to solo.
ezareth_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Back when The Elder Trolls ran we were in the top 10 spots by a mile over anyone els. The days of a single guild being able to control an entire campaign are over unless they are a full on zerg guild.
Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Lemme guess... farming low rank casuals on a notorious buff server, amirite?mjspnrb18_ESO wrote: »ezareth_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
Back when The Elder Trolls ran we were in the top 10 spots by a mile over anyone els. The days of a single guild being able to control an entire campaign are over unless they are a full on zerg guild.
My guild currently holds the top spots of childrend by a mile with a consistent 12-16 man raid, a guild can control the AP gain of a campaign as long as they know how to do it
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Or maybe it was because there were different people in those groups and it wasn't the same 6-8 people.
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Or maybe it was because there were different people in those groups and it wasn't the same 6-8 people.
There actually isn't a maybe here, we already knew they ran a separate trial group, they just deny it actually happened.
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Or maybe it was because there were different people in those groups and it wasn't the same 6-8 people.
There actually isn't a maybe here, we already knew they ran a separate trial group, they just deny it actually happened.
Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Or maybe it was because there were different people in those groups and it wasn't the same 6-8 people.
There actually isn't a maybe here, we already knew they ran a separate trial group, they just deny it actually happened.
You are categorically wrong. We did not run separate barracks groups in tandem with an NM main group. The barracks played with the main group, save certain instances were we played NM only groups and let the barracks folks do as they pleased.
You wouldn't happen to be a 9/11 truther, would you?
What?? Don't turn into Columba with the conspiracies man. When I was in barracks it was either with the main group or off doing our own thing.dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.
Or maybe it was because there were different people in those groups and it wasn't the same 6-8 people.
There actually isn't a maybe here, we already knew they ran a separate trial group, they just deny it actually happened.
dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »Princess_Asgari wrote: »A solid group of 6-8 can out AP farm any solo player or large group. Why do you think when NM was in its prime the top 15-20 was NM + it's barracks.
This implies you ran in groups of 15-20, not groups of 6-8.
We found that ~16 is the optimal group size for AP gain.
what are you talking about? it does not imply that in any way. can you seriously not figure out why this makes sense?
So they ran groups of 6-8 but magically 15-20 people gained AP from it? Yeah this further reinforces the fact that No Mercy ran trials in a separate group so they could claim they weren't in the group.