Sorc & DK healer with 1.6 - can anybody tell me how good / bad they're doing?

Seraphyel

The title says it all.

Are Sorcs and DKs good / viable healers with 1.6 on the PTS?
What kind of build do they use for healing? What Ultimate is a Sorc healer using?

Would like to hear something about both classes as a healer. Thanks!

TheBull

Sorcerers are doing great in Cyrodiil. DKs are still fine.

Darkintellect

Currently, they haven't changed a lot and it's unsettling. I play a NB healer and they beefed us up to where we now heal as well, if not better since it's more efficient and more safe than a templar.

But if they want to make DK's heal properly, allow Igneous Shield to base off magicka, not health, then expand the range a bit on the ability. I made a V2 DK healer and pushed every point and focus into health for him and the shield was only then, worthwhile but useless due to the fact that the shield has to drop before you can reapply and my magicka made healing with resto staff pointless.

I'm happy with the changes to NB Tanks and NB Healers but the two classes need some work for healing but primarily DK.

Seraphyel

TheBull wrote: »

Sorcerers are doing great in Cyrodiil. DKs are still fine.

Can you tell me how Sorcerers heal? Some kind of build? I am just a bit confused about it.

I made up a DK healer build with shields, but as the poster above me mentioned, the usefulness is... I don't know.

I think no Resto-staff healer is comparable to a pure Templar, right?

Darkintellect

Seraphyel wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Sorcerers are doing great in Cyrodiil. DKs are still fine.

I think no Resto-staff healer is comparable to a pure Templar, right?

Currently Nightblades are. My build only because I'm geared well, I can outheal most high end templars but not all. I feel the two classes are finally equal in terms of healing capacity.

My totem from my Nightflame set is up all the time limited only for the 5 seconds of cooldown too. That's due to having two very heavy regens on the group at all times. Nightflame was pretty much designed for this build.

Totem adds another 115 point heal per second making my heal over time on group at 422 health per second (with calc using 2 sec tick from HF, 1.6 sec tick from RR and 1 sec tick from totem with 15 second base minus 5 seconds of uptime and scaled down to live numbers). During that time I'm doing damage and casting rapid regen every 15 seconds.


P.S. - to get live numbers you take your health ratio compared to live and use the scale dividend to calculate the value.

PTS numbers were 2930 health a second not counting the totem or my ridiculous crit rate and damage.

My skills are as follows...

Use this cycle to hit full group, and come back only if you miss a HF or RR refresh
Health Funnel
Rapid Regneration
Structured Entropy
Shadowy Disguise
Inner Light

After I have a double HF/RR cycle going I switch to this for full time healing
Health Funnel
Rapid Regeneration
Healing Springs
Healing Ward
Inner Light

Rarely on anything do I require HS or HW. No Veterens and but I haven't tried it in trials. I may need to supplement HS or HW.

Seraphyel

Mhm yeah, Nightblade. But as I said, I don't to play one again but thanks!

Sorc or DK healer, that's the question. And I would like to hear some opinions from them from the PTS but they seem to be quite rare.

Darkintellect

Yeah, sorry about that, I went off the deep end with that description.

Currently DK still isn't viable for anyone but purists who work extremely hard at it and even then it's still a challenge. The heal bonus was increased I think an additional second to 7 seconds, but overall, the class needs work in the healing department to make up for the nerfs.

Sorcerer though, I hope someone can comment with knowledge as to the changes to their healing too, but I'm not too optomistic.

Here's a template build DK and tested both obsidian shield morphs with the full value health in enchants, armor and stat points, then again with magicka.

Igneous Shield with Pure Health


Fragmented Shield with same health value as above


Fragmented Shield with enchants, jewelery and stats changed into Magicka

Pyatra

Seraphyel wrote: »

Mhm yeah, Nightblade. But as I said, I don't to play one again but thanks!

Sorc or DK healer, that's the question. And I would like to hear some opinions from them from the PTS but they seem to be quite rare.

In PVP most seem to be using Combat Prayer or the other morph which provides protection, Ward Ally maybe regen, build for Spell Damage then Magicka.. Magicka is pound for pound far more effective than crit now. My Combat prayer can do about 4.5k heals per blast easy. Average health is around 22-25k in Cyrodiil and Damage per hit from the most tweaked out Crystal Shard/Snipe runs around 7.5k and that's smashing into a squishie caster.


Now understand Light armor does NOT give you much protection from spells anymore, that is Heavy armor all the way but that may change.

PVE depends on party makeup and what your secondary weapon is. If Crushing Shock and biting jabs are in your party you need to pop one of the resto Staff Siphon abilities, they are SUPER effective on those to.



On a side note: Almost every sorc is a resto staff healer now in PVP. I was rolling with a pug of mostly sorcs yesterday and the moment the fight broke out the most epic Regen laser light show began. It's hard to be a Magicka Sorc right now and not have resto staff or shield stacking.

Seraphyel

Oh, no problem DarkIntellect, I am happy about every experience.

The thing with the health-based shield is just lame. Would they change the healing morph to a magicka based skill, it would be great - maybe to great.

But 4,8k vs. 1,8k is just hilarious, isn't it? Zenimax, for the sake of every DK healer, please change it!

I heard about Sorcs being very weak when it comes to self healing - that's why everyone is using a resto? That's lame to be honest.

But true Sorc healers? That want to keep a group healed up?

I mostly plan to make PvE, but... PvP as well. And I really don't like the Templar. I was told Templars are the most played class and I don't like how they work...

Or what is the most played class you see (in Cyrodiil / Craglorn wherever)?

Thanks!

Pyatra

Seraphyel wrote: »

Oh, no problem DarkIntellect, I am happy about every experience.

The thing with the health-based shield is just lame. Would they change the healing morph to a magicka based skill, it would be great - maybe to great.

But 4,8k vs. 1,8k is just hilarious, isn't it? Zenimax, for the sake of every DK healer, please change it!

I heard about Sorcs being very weak when it comes to self healing - that's why everyone is using a resto? That's lame to be honest.

But true Sorc healers? That want to keep a group healed up?

I mostly plan to make PvE, but... PvP as well. And I really don't like the Templar. I was told Templars are the most played class and I don't like how they work...

Or what is the most played class you see (in Cyrodiil / Craglorn wherever)?

Thanks!

Yeah, most gave up on Crit Surge and went Entropy, only way to work Crit Surge is pick 2-Handed but don't choose the passive that adds splash damage, in that case it's awesome. Sadly igneous shield (even spec'ed in the wrong stat) may put DKs above Sorc healers. 30% to resto staff abilities is 30% Sorc don't get.

Seraphyel

That's true. Without this additional spec the skill would be quite awful as a Magicka DK...

Maybe a little tweaking is needed. I really would love to see scaling from Magicka (the healer shield), but it won't happen lol.

Seraphyel

That's true. Without this additional spec the skill would be quite awful as a Magicka DK...

Maybe a little tweaking is needed. I really would love to see scaling from Magicka (the healer shield), but it won't happen lol.

Seraphyel

That's true. Without this additional spec the skill would be quite awful as a Magicka DK...

Maybe a little tweaking is needed. I really would love to see scaling from Magicka (the healer shield), but it won't happen lol.

Domander

Seraphyel wrote: »

Mhm yeah, Nightblade. But as I said, I don't to play one again but thanks!

Sorc or DK healer, that's the question. And I would like to hear some opinions from them from the PTS but they seem to be quite rare.

We ran a dragonstar arena with the only heals being a sorc, it went well.

Panda244

DKs can make great utility healers but trying to turn them into a full blown healer is lol no. Any class without a burst heal like BoL isn't enough to compete with good templar heals.

By utility heals I mean utilizing Igneous Shield spam + Rapid Regen + Healing Springs, and their crazy rate of ultimate gen, which is being nerfed in 1.6, to basically keep everyone topped off with 24/7 damage shields, throw bone shield in the mix for more lolz, and magma shell.

Seraphyel

Why the hell did I triple post the same comment? LOL sorry

Panda244 wrote: »

DKs can make great utility healers but trying to turn them into a full blown healer is lol no. Any class without a burst heal like BoL isn't enough to compete with good templar heals.

By utility heals I mean utilizing Igneous Shield spam + Rapid Regen + Healing Springs, and their crazy rate of ultimate gen, which is being nerfed in 1.6, to basically keep everyone topped off with 24/7 damage shields, throw bone shield in the mix for more lolz, and magma shell.

Every class besides Templars is missing this burst heal. It's quite sad that Resto staff hasn't got one.

DeLindsay

Panda244 wrote: »

DKs can make great utility healers but trying to turn them into a full blown healer is lol no. Any class without a burst heal like BoL isn't enough to compete with good templar heals.

By utility heals I mean utilizing Igneous Shield spam + Rapid Regen + Healing Springs, and their crazy rate of ultimate gen, which is being nerfed in 1.6, to basically keep everyone topped off with 24/7 damage shields, throw bone shield in the mix for more lolz, and magma shell.

DKs have the highest capable burst Healing next to Templar's BoL using Igneous Shield + Blessing of Restoration. If you add Sanctuary 5pc + the new Bone Surge (another 8%) + The Ritual Mundus it goes to ludicrous levels. I think the only reason we don't see more end game DK Healers is they're the current Meta for DPS and Tanking. DK Healing at least has 2 Class Ultimates that can be used while Healing that benefit being used by a Healer. While Sorc has none and usually relies on Replenishing Barrier as their "Healing" Ultimate. Sorc on the other hand has vastly superior Magicka management to ALL other Healers, which is why they make the perfect speed run Healer.

I've seen all 4 Healers perfectly heal all content short of the only thing I haven't done, SO. This whole thing about "Templar Healer or GTFO" is plain ignorance. Yes NB's are pretty much #2 as far as total capable healing but that doesn't mean DK/Sorc are bad at all, only bad Players. I've had PLENTY of bad Templar Healers in my time in ESO since 5-day early access and have had PLENTY of great Healers that weren't Templars.

I would love to see more Players running DK Healers, Sorc Tanks and Templar DPS as those are the 3 Roles you don't see those Classes doing as often. OP, don't listen to naysayers in regards to which Class can do what, the best way is for you to play them yourself, get good at it, then prove them wrong.

Seraphyel wrote: »

But true Sorc healers? That want to keep a group healed up?

I mostly plan to make PvE, but... PvP as well. And I really don't like the Templar. I was told Templars are the most played class and I don't like how they work...

Or what is the most played class you see (in Cyrodiil / Craglorn wherever)?

Thanks!

DK is the single most played Class in the game regardless of PvE or PvP. As for Sorcs Healing group content, yes they do it just fine, including Trials.

Seraphyel

Thanks!

I am still up for more information. I am just torn between DK & Sorc...

Snit

Sorcs have no class spells that aid them in healing. They're the least suited to heal any content. In live, sorcs currently have one neat trick -- they can use Surge to increase the heals from a Resto Staff. In 1.6, any class can do that by using Entropy.

You can still make it work. Resto Staff heals are adequate for most content. Sorc 'healers' are popular in PvP because so much of the healing there is just spamming Regeneration or Combat Prayer.

Seraphyel

Okay, thanks.

I think I'll stick with DK healer and play the Sorc as a twink.

Panda244

DeLindsay wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

DKs can make great utility healers but trying to turn them into a full blown healer is lol no. Any class without a burst heal like BoL isn't enough to compete with good templar heals.

By utility heals I mean utilizing Igneous Shield spam + Rapid Regen + Healing Springs, and their crazy rate of ultimate gen, which is being nerfed in 1.6, to basically keep everyone topped off with 24/7 damage shields, throw bone shield in the mix for more lolz, and magma shell.

DKs have the highest capable burst Healing next to Templar's BoL using Igneous Shield + Blessing of Restoration. If you add Sanctuary 5pc + the new Bone Surge (another 8%) + The Ritual Mundus it goes to ludicrous levels. I think the only reason we don't see more end game DK Healers is they're the current Meta for DPS and Tanking. DK Healing at least has 2 Class Ultimates that can be used while Healing that benefit being used by a Healer. While Sorc has none and usually relies on Replenishing Barrier as their "Healing" Ultimate. Sorc on the other hand has vastly superior Magicka management to ALL other Healers, which is why they make the perfect speed run Healer.

I've seen all 4 Healers perfectly heal all content short of the only thing I haven't done, SO. This whole thing about "Templar Healer or GTFO" is plain ignorance. Yes NB's are pretty much #2 as far as total capable healing but that doesn't mean DK/Sorc are bad at all, only bad Players. I've had PLENTY of bad Templar Healers in my time in ESO since 5-day early access and have had PLENTY of great Healers that weren't Templars.

I would love to see more Players running DK Healers, Sorc Tanks and Templar DPS as those are the 3 Roles you don't see those Classes doing as often. OP, don't listen to naysayers in regards to which Class can do what, the best way is for you to play them yourself, get good at it, then prove them wrong.

Seraphyel wrote: »

But true Sorc healers? That want to keep a group healed up?

I mostly plan to make PvE, but... PvP as well. And I really don't like the Templar. I was told Templars are the most played class and I don't like how they work...

Or what is the most played class you see (in Cyrodiil / Craglorn wherever)?

Thanks!

DK is the single most played Class in the game regardless of PvE or PvP. As for Sorcs Healing group content, yes they do it just fine, including Trials.

BoL can get up to 2.5k crit heals at low HP, blessing can get maybe 1k if you try hard enough, and the sanctuary set only goes up to v5 or v10, so meh. Not worth it. With the healer set, igneous, blessing, etc etc. DKs can make good healers, but they have to be moving around and keeping the group in front of them, templars can just stand at the back, eat cookies with one hand, and press whatever BoL is bound to with the other hand. Occasionally spell sym'ing if needed.