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"Play the way YOU want."

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Kilandros
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Unless you're a Sorcerer. Then you play with Pets and all-magicka builds.
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Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / Prefect
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • angelyn
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Unless you're a Sorcerer. Then you play with Pets and all-magicka builds.
    Looks like Deltia's Gaming agrees with you that magicka sorcs must use pets.He's not tested stamina sorcs yet.

    ***He admits he's got further testing to do and these are his initial impressions***

    Skip to 10.27:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkZbUZ_qas
    Edited by angelyn on 29 January 2015 22:35
  • Feidam
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    In that video he admits to not having tested sorc stamina builds yet.
  • angelyn
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    Feidam wrote: »
    In that video he admits to not having tested sorc stamina builds yet.

    That's a fair point, I will edit-but it looks like only option for magicka sorcs.
  • Kilandros
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    angelyn wrote: »
    Feidam wrote: »
    In that video he admits to not having tested sorc stamina builds yet.

    That's a fair point, I will edit-but it looks like only option for magicka sorcs.

    I haven't been particularly impressed with Stam sorc in 1.6. Lack of a decent heal is troubling with the changes to critical surge, and Sorc received no stamina morphs to any of their class skills. Right now if feels like if I want to run a stam build, I'm better with any of the other classes simply because there are no Sorcerer class skills to really incorporate into the build.

    Granted, I'm not half the player some of the real theory crafters are, so we'll see. But right now it doesn't look good for anything besides Destro/Resto Magicka pet builds.


    Invictus
    Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
    Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
    Sias - Sorcerer / Prefect
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

    DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • Feidam
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    I switch my sorc to bow today to see if I can pull off a stamina ranged build. I'm not a melee person. But so far the build isn't bad, but not awesome either. Only my first iteration though.
  • Glory
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    People who say sorcs have to be full pet magicka are close-minded and have a lot of testing to do.
    mDK will rise again.
    Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.

    @Glorious since I have too many characters to list

    Ádamant

    Strongly against Faction Lock
  • Kilandros
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    ebethke_ESO wrote: »
    People who say sorcs have to be full pet magicka are close-minded and have a lot of testing to do.

    Can you back this up with a video? I will gladly--GLADLY--eat my words.
    Invictus
    Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
    Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
    Sias - Sorcerer / Prefect
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

    DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT
  • Erondil
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    Unless you're a Sorcerer. Then you play with Pets and all-magicka builds.

    Unless you are a melee nightblade. Then you play with 2h and all-stamina builds.
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  • Robbmrp
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    They need to correct the phrase "Play as you want" because it sure doesn't apply to a lot of classes. It should be changed to "Play as ZOS wants you to".... If your a Sorc, better get used to your circus pets because you won't survive long without them......
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  • Cody
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    Don't worry, soon PVP will be nothing but block casting and endless damage shield stacking.

    In other words, PvP is fudged atm.

    hopefully PvE fares better.
    Edited by Cody on 29 January 2015 23:47
  • Glory
    Glory
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    ebethke_ESO wrote: »
    People who say sorcs have to be full pet magicka are close-minded and have a lot of testing to do.

    Can you back this up with a video? I will gladly--GLADLY--eat my words.

    Gotta watch Sabre Ali. He rolls around wrecking kids with a 2h Main. I don't have any real videos of him but you can watch at 5:09 of this video by Teargrants (a magicka sorcerer) where Sabre has Teargrants on the defensive for much of the fight.

    Cheers.
    mDK will rise again.
    Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.

    @Glorious since I have too many characters to list

    Ádamant

    Strongly against Faction Lock
  • Varicite
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    Cody wrote: »
    Don't worry, soon PVP will be nothing but block casting and endless damage shield stacking.

    So basically the exact same way it's been since a month after launch, gotcha.
  • Exstazik
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    Cody wrote: »
    Don't worry, soon PVP will be nothing but block casting and endless damage shield stacking.

    In other words, PvP is fudged atm.

    hopefully PvE fares better.

    How about to make sorc PvP group with TS to stack 2 bomb(alliance war+daedric curse) ? >:)

  • Cody
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    Varicite wrote: »
    Cody wrote: »
    Don't worry, soon PVP will be nothing but block casting and endless damage shield stacking.

    So basically the exact same way it's been since a month after launch, gotcha.

    yes:D

    only know the shields will be stronger
  • Cody
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    Exstazik wrote: »
    Cody wrote: »
    Don't worry, soon PVP will be nothing but block casting and endless damage shield stacking.

    In other words, PvP is fudged atm.

    hopefully PvE fares better.

    How about to make sorc PvP group with TS to stack 2 bomb(alliance war+daedric curse) ? >:)

    the zerg buster sucks unless you can get literally 15+ players to use it at once.

    I imagine sorcs will have fun with daedric curse:D
  • Cody
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    ebethke_ESO wrote: »
    Kilandros wrote: »
    ebethke_ESO wrote: »
    People who say sorcs have to be full pet magicka are close-minded and have a lot of testing to do.

    Can you back this up with a video? I will gladly--GLADLY--eat my words.

    Gotta watch Sabre Ali. He rolls around wrecking kids with a 2h Main. I don't have any real videos of him but you can watch at 5:09 of this video by Teargrants (a magicka sorcerer) where Sabre has Teargrants on the defensive for much of the fight.

    Cheers.

    Yes, Sabre Ali

    Someone who fights with skill and not pathetic perma block damage shield stack fest gameplay

    hats off to you Sabre!:D
  • Dazin93
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    I just don't see stamina sorcs as being viable builds after 1.6

    Hardened ward is too weak as it scales off of base magicka. As a stamina build its around a 4500 hp shield and costs 3800ish magicka to use.

    Crit surge isn't worth having on the bar due to the 1 sec delay and continued lack of being a reliable class heal.

    Streak is still costly and harder to use offensively as the stun breaks now as soon as they receive damage.

    Pets are pitiful as a stamina build and hit on average for around 400 damage or equivalent to 40 damage on live.

    Dark exchange is still a channeled skill.

    Can you slap a bow and 2h on sorc and find moderate success? Yes you can, but that is only due to weapon skills and abilities from other trees that everyone has access to. You are bringing nothing unique to the table as a stamina sorc other than streak.

    You don't have a viable shield, you don't have a reliable class heal, and you don't have the ability to sustain resources. So in other words, it's burst or die and in 1.6 it's going to be mostly die with shield stacking/resto staff becoming even more prevalent.

    I am sure magicka based (resto staff/shield stacking, crushing shock/pet) sorcs will be quite viable if that's how you enjoy playing. I for one do not.
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