PTS 1.6 Provisioning Changes

MissBizz

Good day everyone! I'm looking forward to see all your wonderful comments on the justice system and all the skill changes. You'll be the reason I don't instantly die once 1.6 goes live.. I will be able to make informed decisions. I have decided to help you out by taking on this ridiculous task of converting and looking into all the provisioning.

Stream
I will be streaming on twitch Wednesday evening start at about 4:30pm MST. This time block will be focusing on what has changed in provisioning. Specifically, what old ingredients now are, what ingredients were turned 'old' and more. Once I feel I have completed as much as possible I will move on to attempting to collect news recipes etc.

I will also be straming Thursday at the same time. Hopefully I will pick up my VR7 who has limited provisioning, and try to level it up to see how it goes.

Information Gathered
I have also start a Google Spreadsheet to track what I had on hand when characters were copied over to help me figure out what ingredients/recipes were converted to. I will be filling out the new stuff tomorrow hopefully.

I also have already figured out that..
Oats --> Bervez Juice
Tomatoes --> Frost Mirriam
They are still used in purple recipes.

If you are also working on this let me know if you need me to help confirm any findings, or if you are just curious, let me know what I should try to find out!

Wow! Some people have already thrown together a complete list of the converted ingredients!

Faunter wrote: »

I made a complete list of all the converted ingredients. Here it is.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149061/
Enjoy!

uesp.net/wiki/Online:Provisioning_Ingredients#Provisioning_Revamp_Ingredient_Conversion

As far as I can tell, I agree with everyone that has already said it... your green recipes will convert to new green recipes with the same stat increases (as in, max magicka converts to max magicka), you're blue recipes will MOSTLY convert to the same, although any level 50 blue recipes you have will convert to VR10. Purple, well, that just confusing. I had below 50 purple's and now on PTS I do not.

MissBizz

This is proving to be much more difficult than expected. Due to the bug of your horse inventory not counting.. my provisioning mule has lost items and therefore I will not have correct quantities to compare.

I will continue adding to the list as to what has been changed to old. Feel free to comment on the google spreadsheet if you have confirmed anything

Mix

I had the same idea to gather this info but not the work of putting it into a google spreadsheet.

Recipe conversion for green and blue seems straightforward.

Soup (green) = Mag = Fruit (this is the only green type where I am missing one recipe: saltrice slurry to confirm 100% that soup becomes fruit)

Bread (blue) = hp/mag = Savoury
Grilled (blue) = hp/stam = Ragout
Soup (blue) = stam/mag = Entremet

Beer (blue) = Liqueurs
Spirits (blue) = Cordial Teas
Wine (blue) = Tinctures

(all blue conversions based on recipes I am missing from each category)

List of OLD ingredients
amber malt
baker's flour
barley mash
broth
brown malt
cake flour
camaralet grapes
canis root
caramalt
cooking fat
corn mash
drippings
emperor grapes
fatback
glace viande
golden malt
grasa grapes
imperial flour
imperial mash
imperial stock
jazbay grapes
jus
lado grapes
lard
meal
milled flour
mutton flank
oat mash
pepper
pinguis
plump rodent toes
plump worms
pork
ribier's grapes
rice mash
ripe apple
river grapes
saaz hops
salt rice
scuttle meat
shank
shornhelm grains
sifted flour
snake slime
snake venom
spring essence
stock
suet
sujamma berries
sweetmeats
tangerine
thin broth
wasp squeezings
wheat malt
wheat mash
white malt
wild honey
wine grapes
wisp floss
- All old seem to sell for 10g each (all new ingredients except frost mirriam and bervez juice seem to be purchaseable from vendors at 10g each)

list of converted ingredients (some I had the same number of in the bank so there is a list of possibles):
concord grapes =Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
crystal berry=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
hallertau hops=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
hops=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
juniper berry=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
kaveh beans=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
mountain berries=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
piquant jazbay grapes=Acai Berry, Ginger, Ginko, Ginseng, Honey, Isinglass, Lemon, Surilie Grapes
crawdad=Apples
flank steak=Bananas
aged meat=Barley
oats=Bervez Juice
glitter rock=Bittergreen
honeycomb=Carrots
barley=Cheese
ash millet=Coffee,Rye,Lotus
dusk beetle=Coffee,Rye,Lotus
orc hops=Coffee,Rye,Lotus
iron peat=Comberry
garlic=Corn, Flour
mudcrab meat=Corn, Flour
battaglir weeds=Fish
tomato=Frost Mirriam
chaurus meat=Game
salt =Garlic
kwama eggs=Greens
dark bile=Jasmine
white grapes=Metheglin
onion=Millet
desert heather=Mint
horker meat=Potato
beef=Poultry
guar eggs=Pumpkin
liver =Radish
capon meat=Red Meat
comberry=Rice
dragon's tongue sap=Rose
potato=Saltrice
red wheat=Seasonings
snowberry=Seaweed
goat meat=Tomato
bervez fruit=Wheat
bear haunch=White Meat
black tea=Yeast
molasses=Yerba Mate

7 unknown live ingredients:
combwort
frog legs
goat bits
moon sugar
pig's milk
plump maggots
venison

5 unmatched pts ingredients:
jazbay grapes
melon
beets
guarana
small game

Based on the stack numbers of ingredients in inv/bank for my account.

Mix

For the v10 recipes:

Food:
red meat + tomato + radish + frost mirriam
(capon meat + goat meat + liver + tomato on live)

game + melon + carrot + frost mirriam
(chaurus meat + ? + honeycomb + tomato on live)

fish + pumpkin + corn + frost mirriam
(battaglir weeds + guar eggs +garlic or mudcrab?? + tomato on live)

I won't do drinks because I have two lists (8 and 3) without a direct match due to the same stack amount in my bank making it impossible to tell what converted to it.

Shadow-Fighter

@Zos, pls convert all old ingredients !!!

Edit
Especially VI ingredients like pepper

Mix

Also, the carrots on live with the icon of 3 carrots (very rare item to pick up off of carrots laying around in the world do not seem to be usable in the new system either.

LMar

Wait! I cannot make canis root tea?!?!?! Summon my steward!
(can't believe they missed this opportunity! :P)

MissBizz

Awesome! @mix I has the same issue with having the same quantities for come ingredients. I will add yours to the spreadsheet as well cross reference your possible with mine to see if we can find an answer I doubt I will be able to get it done before my stream tonight, but will afterwards.

Slurg

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

@Zos, pls convert all old ingredients !!!

Edit
Especially VI ingredients like pepper

I noticed right away my pepper stash was not converted to anything. It's just plain gone. Can anyone confirm whether this is intentional or a bug, or if it's an isolated problem only affecting some people?

AlnilamE

Nice!
Thank you very much. I'm going to look into what level green/blue/purple recipes I can make under the new and the old system. I'll fill that out tonight and post a report when I'm done.

My provisioner can make almost everything by now, so I will have a good idea of how the new recipes compare in terms of level.

MissBizz

Slurg wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

@Zos, pls convert all old ingredients !!!

Edit
Especially VI ingredients like pepper

I noticed right away my pepper stash was not converted to anything. It's just plain gone. Can anyone confirm whether this is intentional or a bug, or if it's an isolated problem only affecting some people?

Did you have a horse that was part of your bag space? If so when you log in it does not account for your horse and any inventory in those slots pretty much just went missing.

MissBizz

AlnilamE wrote: »

Nice!
Thank you very much. I'm going to look into what level green/blue/purple recipes I can make under the new and the old system. I'll fill that out tonight and post a report when I'm done.

My provisioner can make almost everything by now, so I will have a good idea of how the new recipes compare in terms of level.

Awesome! I will be updating the spreadsheet with all the info people have posted after my stream tonight!

Slurg

MissBizz wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

@Zos, pls convert all old ingredients !!!

Edit
Especially VI ingredients like pepper

I noticed right away my pepper stash was not converted to anything. It's just plain gone. Can anyone confirm whether this is intentional or a bug, or if it's an isolated problem only affecting some people?

Did you have a horse that was part of your bag space? If so when you log in it does not account for your horse and any inventory in those slots pretty much just went missing.

Nope. I had a stack in the bank that is unaccounted for on the PTS. The only thing I can think of is it might be converted to the equivalent of a blue recipe ingredient since I seemed to have a lot more of the blue level ingredients than I thought I should. If this is true, I'd like to know so I can use the pepper up before the conversion.

Stonesthrow

Slurg wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

@Zos, pls convert all old ingredients !!!

Edit
Especially VI ingredients like pepper

I noticed right away my pepper stash was not converted to anything. It's just plain gone. Can anyone confirm whether this is intentional or a bug, or if it's an isolated problem only affecting some people?

Pepper becomes OLD pepper and you vendor it.

As do all the 65g a pop store bought or writ rewarded matts to make the VR food, Imperial Mash, Pingus, etc… So use it up and make food before the patch unless you want to just get 10g for it at a vendor.

Stonesthrow

Mix wrote: »

7 unknown live ingredients:
combwort
frog legs
goat bits
moon sugar
pig's milk
plump maggots
venison

5 unmatched pts ingredients:
jazbay grapes
melon
beets
guarana
small game

Based on the stack numbers of ingredients in inv/bank for my account.

Did the same thing.

Plump Maggots and Venison go "OLD"

And pretty sure Moon Sugar turns into Beets

Slurg

Perhaps it is just my pepper that got lost in translation then.

But since the consensus seems to be that pepper or its equivalent will no longer be an ingredient for purple food, no use keeping it around.

Stonesthrow

Tomatoes that you already have turn into Frost Miriam, but Goat Meat that you already have now turns into Tomatoes.

Puzzler.

A few others do that as well.

MissBizz

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Tomatoes that you already have turn into Frost Miriam, but Goat Meat that you already have now turns into Tomatoes.

Puzzler.

A few others do that as well.

I think its because they wanted to retain the rarity of tomatoes, since tomatoes in the new recipes is a common ingredient

SantieClaws

I might have stumbled on an unintended consequence for Provisioners tonight. Recipes are not found in barrels and do not usually drop from dead enemies. They tend to be found in nightstands and in houses. I was trying to find recipes tonight but it was really difficult to loot the sorts of places they usually are found. My main has most of the current recipes but l would think that the justice system is going to make it much harder to level provisioning unless recipes now drop from mobs or occasionally turn up in barrels.

Stonesthrow

You still get them from Writs, did them on 3 characters last night 2 VR and one 20 something… and I got recipes from them, the newly named ones.

MissBizz

This is very true. Part of my testing will include trying to level up one of my characters that currently doesn't do any provisioning. I'll be evaluating how easy it is to level up, this includes finding recipes and their claim of how at any time I should have stock to cook up some items. I believe we are just used to looting in town. Out in the wild there should still enough "furniture" to find recipes at a decent pace. As well, if recipes do end up being a lot harder to squire this may help boost the low prices of recipes.

Ommamar

MissBizz wrote: »

This is proving to be much more difficult than expected. Due to the bug of your horse inventory not counting.. my provisioning mule has lost items and therefore I will not have correct quantities to compare.

I will continue adding to the list as to what has been changed to old. Feel free to comment on the google spreadsheet if you have confirmed anything

I had this problem I went and placed something in my bank then pulled it out. I guess that resets thing as I got all my inventory back to where it was suppose to be

Psychobunni

Provisioning change I was curious about.... My sweetrolls were turned into duck, looking though recipes I have logged through PTS...I see no sweetrolls.

Am I missing them now or did they seriously add frickin tacos and remove sweetrolls? In an ES game?

Slurg

Yes, someone stole your sweetroll! They stole everyone's sweetroll!

Time to steal it back! I guess that's supposed to be what sets the savior of Tamriel on the path to a life of crime.

MissBizz

I'm not even big into lore and I wasn't impressed with some of the new names even just thinking of the time ESO is set in, some of those things shouldn't exist.

Daraugh

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I might have stumbled on an unintended consequence for Provisioners tonight. Recipes are not found in barrels and do not usually drop from dead enemies. They tend to be found in nightstands and in houses. I was trying to find recipes tonight but it was really difficult to loot the sorts of places they usually are found. My main has most of the current recipes but l would think that the justice system is going to make it much harder to level provisioning unless recipes now drop from mobs or occasionally turn up in barrels.

I started a thread that questions this problem. I don't know if they addressed the problem with ultra rare recipes at low levels, but this really hurts. It would be nice if we got a basic recipe to get started on provisioning quests, since they drop from provisioner's bags. So far the responses are go look in delves and ruins for recipes. Kind of rough for lowbie toons or brand new players to get started. Since cooking is usually a low risk for lower rewards than other crafts, making it so hard to even get started isn't nice.

Since you can craft basic armor and weapons, it would be in keeping with the other crafts to get a few basics to begin with.

Making us resort to stealing sucks, and to put rare low lvl recipe issues in perspective, I've found exactly one Sunset Rose recipe on live (and I'm a barrel picking altoholic!) and I've found two Imperial motifs on a lvl 7 and a lvl 14 toon.

As an aside, I really *hate* getting meat off of lvl 1 critters. I don't mind hunting in-game, but it just seems wrong, unsporting, for the antelope etc to not have a chance to fight back.

Stonesthrow

You can buy 98% of the matts you need for provisioning from vendors now at 10g a pop. This is supposed to make honest people feel better as well as solve an "in kitchen" crisis when you just need a few more matts to finish a stack off.

Some of us just stockpile the heck out of our banks in hopes that at least half of the matts are converted into usable stuff that will cut down on what we need to steal or buy come LIVE.

Also, you may just want to start buying up the 20-50g green and blue recipes at guild kiosks to give any new characters you may have or to fill out the gaps in your main characters recipe books. I have a hundred or so of the blues and purples on a mule that converted to the new recipes just fine on PTS.

None of these are solutions to a newbie trying to find a recipe if they are BRAND NEW, but they will solve the problem for anyone else.

angelyn

I think if ZOS wants us to test that our ingredients and recipes have transitioned correctly,they should provide a list of what happened to each ingredient. EG:

"Pepper- now stale
Goat meat- turned into tomatoes"

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ I think this is a reasonable request and will help the players to test PTS for ZOS.

Even if they don't want to provide it for testing purposes,provide it so that we understand provisioning in 1.6. An example would be the list you posted on patch notes stating what major/minor buff terminology in 1.6 matched to what effect in 1.5.

I'm on EU so no char copy, but after obtaining some ingredients /recipes in world I feel I'm now lost in provisioning as I have no idea what "coffee" and "acai berries" replaced and in what recipes they can be used,or the strength of the recipe effect. (If that makes sense)Likewise I would have been just as lost with the new buff/debut system had ZOS not provided an "old to new" conversion list.

MissBizz

Hey guys if anyone isn't on PTS but wants to see what's new, I'm heading to stream on twitch right now and check it all out!

QuadroTony

one important question!!!
HIRELINGS

we still dont need any killpoints in recipe improvement/quality to get best ingredients from mails?

MissBizz

All done today's shoe, sorry guys I was nervous and it seemed boring to go through every little thing. I'll be streaming my more usual playstyle tomorrow and will write up my report later on how I feel about everything.