A Call to Haderus!

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Thorjagger wrote: »

Great....Haderus is back to all yellow and boring. -_-

well we tried pushing keeps this morning until Komodo and Holy brought their 40 man zerg in. Didn't help alot of EP either logged off mid battle or were afk at the time. Tried defending BRK and CHalman but after that I swear it was like there were just 3 or 4 ppl standing against 2 bars of AD. Didn't help a certain EP guild apparently refused to come in and pvp when asked. They couldn't even be bothered to defend the keeps we HAD they would've gotten points either way.

I did happen to notice one particular EP person who offended me last week makes a habit of pretty much just afking or standing around in the middle of a siege stealthed. AP leech....

I really don't think things are going to be back to 'normal' until after 1.6 hits and things have a chance to cool down. Just not enough EP and DC on consistently for good competition, and some EP happen to be ***...

Kartalin

Last night there were some pushes from both sides but yeah, still hasn't been that consisted concerted effort from DC and EP that we're accustomed to. We still have our same groups out there, but for whatever reason our opponents are away from campaign. Chillrend looked pretty competitive last night, at least from the fact that it was pop locked DC and 3 bar AD and EP.

Telel

Telel hopes that the pacters are giving much respect to @Badgranma who this one has repeatedly murdered as he has led duck herd after duck herd in an attempt to teach them how to defend from us loyal servants of the moon sugar kingdom. He's been so chill about it all this one's guild has taken to going to chillrend once it becomes apparent we're not dealing with the kind of blob rushes we've seen in previous weeks.

If not for him then Telel and their pack likely would not have taken to leaving haderus when the tide begins to turn back in our favor.

Kartalin

Apparently yesterday afternoon some Pacters flipped Emp and made most of the map red and took some scrolls? Then AD turned the map yellow again. I was away from the game during most of the afternoon and evening but I was surprised it all happened so quickly when my guild mates told me about it.

Wyndfoot

It was an impressive flip, 6 inner keeps taken in about 15 mins, to bad the flippers didn't stay around to defend instead went back to Thornblade as they announced in zone. The yellow blob showed up and back to a yellow map in 3hrs time, another former red emp that only a handful of true Haderus natives tried to defend against overwhelming yellow numbers.

Seri

Home keeps + Emp ring were about all that EP managed, plus a take at Faregyl while AD were at Ash and Drakelowe. AD were evidently hungry for either PvP or buffs as other than a defensive at Chalman, we got facerolled pretty much all the way back to our gates.

Definitely shook the map up a bit though!



(Not the best screeny but was the best I managed to grab)

bowmanz607

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Telel

This one meant to say this the other night, but was distracted with other matters.

That fight at Faregyl did not go at all the way this one had expected.

In the past our unsexy opponents have proven most adept at fending off the yellow wave through the simple expedient of being the side where everyone knew what to do. Whereas us most sexy, but somewhat lacking in Q button capable players, servants of the Queen had a relative handful of competent but ultimately out matched players.

However this time was different, and Telel is almost frightened by it. Firstly we managed to hold at the mine and get in a good number of kills until enough backup arrived to make our pacter opponents withdraw to the keep. After that we actually managed to not only put up more than eight siege, but we put up enough to tear down the gate, and both walls at the front of Faregyl in just a couple of minutes.

Telel's twilight zone experience became fully complete when someone in the pack pointed out half the siegers hadn't died by standing in the breach and letting the defenders pour oil on them.

After Faregyl we had to stop and confirm that we had indeed come to Haderus, and that none of us had been teleported to Bizzaro world.

Weberda

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Kartalin

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

We've got one of those guilds as well, but they're relatively small compared to the guild you're talking about. At least on our side we have enough groups (PS, CoH, AL, and DiG) that are actually interested in going on offense on a consistent basis. Our goal at least is to win the campaign first and gain AP at the same time. Other groups seem to want to just farm AP or emp. Because of this dichotomy we often end up crosswise with each other's goals and there are heated discussions in zone chat as a result. We get enough of our guild in the top 10 on a consistent basis that I don't think the goals are contradictory. We haven't crowned any emps of our own because we don't spend our time farming, though we had one of our healers hit number two on the ranks after a particularly grueling week.

Our group guested on Chillrend last night where the blue surge is pretty overpowering. Gained some ground, lost it, rinse and repeat. Decent AP but not necessarily fulfilling. We hoped one of the other factions would try to gain a foothold in Haderus but when we returned at the end of the evening it was still yellow

Also let me offer apologies to those who might have thought we were gate camping recently. Our guild was trying to sneak in some of our newer members to get the skyshards behind the gates since the map was turned yellow. It's your right to defend it of course, I just want you to know our desire was not to gate camp. We were also trying to set up some dueling and that worked for a while but not everyone in either of our factions seemed to be on board with it.

I hope you guys get some more numbers among your native population as 1.6 and B2P rolls in. We like winning the campaign but mainly when it's competitive.

JTorus

I'm sure everyone's got some sort of theory as to why this campaign has peaked and troughed. Regardless, speculation won't change the current state of the map.

Just this past December, A large portion of AD seemed a bit wet behind the ears on this whole AvA thing. I think a lot of people would not have even bothered with PvP if it weren't for those few weeks where DC and EP showed up causing trouble. In that time, a lot of folks got trained up. I'd say that's pretty cool.

Congrats, boot camp is complete. Go determine the measure of your worth, head out to someone else's campaign and pick a fight. If we're lucky, maybe they'll come back here to return the gesture.

PeggymoeXD

Sorry I haven't been in Haderus this week. I pulled some IRL aggro..

Kartalin

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

Sorry I haven't been in Haderus this week. I pulled some IRL aggro..

IRL aggro is the worst. I'm going to be out of town this weekend visiting family which will be cool but at the same time it'll be the first weekend with PVP on live servers in 1.6 so I'm upset I'll be missing that. Or if the lag is terribad then maybe I won't be as upset...

Darklord_Tiberius

PR really hasn't been running this past week and when we do hardly anyone is out and about in Haderus.

Panda244

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Give me three days, and a room alone in a hotel resort on one of the Summerset Isles and I can have @vortexman11 @Brizz and and most, if not all, of the EP currently on Chillrend back in Haderus. All they need is the.... Proper. Motivation.

bowmanz607

Ya sadly the fighting has been in Chill recently. I wish we would see more in haderus. Just last weekm y guild pushed back in Azuras, then Haderus, then crowned emp in chill in one night. Since then only chill has been going on. Ofcourse I dont count thorn cause I dont enjoy playing there unless I am soloing which has not been much since being promoted in my guild.

vortexman11

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Maybe this would have turned out differently if someone got a mic and led his own guild rather than passing it on. That someone feels like they're partially to blame for all that has happened in that certain guild.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

vortexman11 wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Maybe this would have turned out differently if someone got a mic and led his own guild rather than passing it on. That someone feels like they're partially to blame for all that has happened in that certain guild.

Tex if we heard your voice it would cause irreparable damage to space/time. ;(

Observant

Sun's Death will be out of commish for about a week while we learn our 1.6 builds, then we'll be back stronger than ever

Weberda

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Maybe this would have turned out differently if someone got a mic and led his own guild rather than passing it on. That someone feels like they're partially to blame for all that has happened in that certain guild.

Tex if we heard your voice it would cause irreparable damage to space/time. ;(

The problem certainly isn't/wasn't Vortexman. Any campaign with him in it is a good place to PvP if you're EP.

The overall problem is we simply do not have the AVA population to support 4 campaigns (not count BWB). Therefore the underpopulated ones will always be open to exploitation and frustration for the minority factions.

The balance of the player populations is also skewed. DC was pop-locked on Thorn AND Chill yesterday about 5:00 CST so what is all the nonsense about DC not have enough players?? AD still obviously has the largest overall numbers but apparently uses the majority of their players to either protect the buff servers (Azura & Had) or come in and flip the emp keeps on Chill. They're sure not using them to put up a decent fight on Thorn. And EP I guess they need to keep everybody on Thorn to protect an insurmountable lead on a campaign that most of us hate for various reasons.

Get rid of the silly campaign buffs outside of Cyrodil and kill one of the campaigns. See what that does. Or better yet shut down Thornblade and force a re-balance of the entire AVA population.

vortexman11

Weberda wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

for real red just up and left. I rallied the guild after i saw the scroll being taken. had scouts on the rest of the scrolls waiting for more action while taking back other keeps. but nope. they all left. grrrrrr just when there was finally some action this week.

Haderus is just an emp farm for EP players from Thorn who couldn't get to the top 10 on their own campaign. It has resulted in Had reverting to it's old form as a AD buff server.

We both know if a certain guild led by a certain neurotic washout took initiative and was more proactive in the map they would maintain top 10 instead of letting these whining thornbaby guilds come in thinking they need to share emp buffs. But said guild instead of leading the charge seem to be of the mentality of "oh, we're no gonna help anyone but ourselves. Nope. nope. just gonna sit here and collect points. collect d ticks gotta get that D."

Keep in mind said guild used to be quite a driving force in Haderus merely weeks ago. They used to be able to field at least a full raid most of the daytime hours of good skilled players. However said neurotic washout leader seems to think he needs less indians and just the chief to run a solid pvp raid. As a result he's bullied away almost 3/4ths of his roster to other servers or pvp groups.

SL, EPHS, and PR are good groups don't get me wrong, but if all EP isn't on the same page it's not going to work. And because this both mentally and physically crippled personality refuses to see past his own ego, he's basically ruined what should've been solid pvp because of his own conceited arrogance.

Maybe this would have turned out differently if someone got a mic and led his own guild rather than passing it on. That someone feels like they're partially to blame for all that has happened in that certain guild.

Tex if we heard your voice it would cause irreparable damage to space/time. ;(

The balance of the player populations is also skewed. DC was pop-locked on Thorn AND Chill yesterday about 5:00 CST so what is all the nonsense about DC not have enough players??

Fern, last time I said this people called me crazy saying that there are only PvE-ers on Chillrend. Since then excluding all the thornblade overflow which DC apparently does not consider to be PvP-ers, I've seen Subtomik, Princess Asgari, as well as bunch of people from Legend committing the honorable act of gate camping!

bowmanz607

My guild (DIG now known as DG) would like to see Haderus as a competitive campaign. I have always been homed there and our guild leader has switched his home campaign to haderus but nothing is happening. We have been having to go to chill the last week. We usually start in Azuras b/c half of our guild is homed there. Then we go to Haderus because the rest of us are homed there. Then finding barely any resistance at both places we end up in chill for the remainder of the night. So please come back to haderus we want a competitive campaign not a buff server.

Wyndfoot

Haderus could be a competetive campaign if the idiots that come in to flip Emp would actually stick around, instead of crowning one of their own and then going back to Thornblade. This just riles up AD who shows up en masse to take everything back with ease cause no one is left to defend the keeps that were taken.

vortexman11

bowmanz607 wrote: »

My guild (DIG now known as DG) would like to see Haderus as a competitive campaign. I have always been homed there and our guild leader has switched his home campaign to haderus but nothing is happening. We have been having to go to chill the last week. We usually start in Azuras b/c half of our guild is homed there. Then we go to Haderus because the rest of us are homed there. Then finding barely any resistance at both places we end up in chill for the remainder of the night. So please come back to haderus we want a competitive campaign not a buff server.

Right, because Azura's Star is your buff server now...

bowmanz607

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Right, because Azura's Star is your buff server now...

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yes, but we originally went to azuras to compete. we want a buff server but we want to compete for that buff server. if we were to hold a buff server against real competition then that would be much better than keeping a buff server against no competition. we want to a campaign that we can truly call home in which we actually feel like we are fighting to defend something. People coming in to flip something for emp is not competition and we frown upon that. This is why many of us moved or stayed with haderus. in hopes of true competition while being able to defend our territory at the drop of a hat. Many of us are pvp only so having a buff server means nothing to us b/c we dont get those buffs unless we are in the campign fighting which rarely happens. also, if we had to fight to keep the buffs than more pve people would join the fight which would help facilitate more competition and overall more fun in pvp.

bowmanz607

it has gotten to the point that we have decided not to dethrone red unless it is the last keep that AD needs to crown an emp. so if 3 keeps are DC, 2 are yellow and 1 red we will not take the last red keep. the rational being that if red is going to keep emp farming then we are going to make sure that we crown someone on AD rather then dethroning them not crowning and red coming in on off hours and getting an emp again.

vortexman11

bowmanz607 wrote: »

yes, but we originally went to azuras to compete. we want a buff server but we want to compete for that buff server. if we were to hold a buff server against real competition then that would be much better than keeping a buff server against no competition. we want to a campaign that we can truly call home in which we actually feel like we are fighting to defend something. People coming in to flip something for emp is not competition and we frown upon that. This is why many of us moved or stayed with haderus. in hopes of true competition while being able to defend our territory at the drop of a hat. Many of us are pvp only so having a buff server means nothing to us b/c we dont get those buffs unless we are in the campign fighting which rarely happens. also, if we had to fight to keep the buffs than more pve people would join the fight which would help facilitate more competition and overall more fun in pvp.

All I got from this is that DIG wants a campaign which they own and watch over, choosing who should or shouldn't get emperor. I also got that DIG apparently smiles upon encouraging the mindless PvE zergs to come and face roll everything.

Whether you're mainly PvE or PvP the mentality that you have the right to "own" a campaign is just absurd. If factions were meant to "own" a campaign then what's the point of PvP? We might as well sit back, all stare at our single coloured maps and quit.

Panda244

Look. Let's all agree to disagree, and get back to sneaky sneaky stab stabbing one-another? Yes? @Telel back me up Telel, whack Vortexman over the head with your Bakka Mallets, and beat the senseless AD pugs into submission for me, then you, Vortexman, can get EP's head out their *** and start fighting back, again!

Problem solved? Me think so.

Telel

Ah my silly fanged friend with the black and white face there is something you forget about this one.

Telel, and the pack of howlers they lead, are something that many people in PVP should also be. That is to say they are unimportant, and uninfluential in the face of the greatest most dangerous thing ever invented by Daedra. That thing being the hubris of men and mer.

Also with the servers down there is no stabbing going on yes? Perhaps that is the answer to all of our PVP problems.