Enough of the complaining

Thoths_Servant

All of the frankly uncalled for and unintelligent complaining about class vs class is having a large negative effect on this game. Everyone complains that they can't kill DK head on or they cant catch a sorc so they cry about it until classes get nufed, but what they don't seem to somehow understand is that the classes and fundamentally different and are created for completely deferent play styles. yes, ZOS has said you can play how you want and you can, but that doesn't mean it will be effective. DK's are meant for open battle, they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal. its simple logic that everyone seems to be missing. If you want the most out of your class you have to play it how it was intended. if you want to fight like another class on yours, its just too bad. just make another toon. All the crying is gonna do is bring this game down even further than it already has, Please think before you comment, don't just complain because you have been killed.

Pmarsico9

Thoths_Servant wrote: »

All of the frankly uncalled for and unintelligent complaining about class vs class is having a large negative effect on this game. Everyone complains that they can't kill DK head on or they cant catch a sorc so they cry about it until classes get nufed, but what they don't seem to somehow understand is that the classes and fundamentally different and are created for completely deferent play styles. yes, ZOS has said you can play how you want and you can, but that doesn't mean it will be effective. DK's are meant for open battle, they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal. its simple logic that everyone seems to be missing. If you want the most out of your class you have to play it how it was intended. if you want to fight like another class on yours, its just too bad. just make another toon. All the crying is gonna do is bring this game down even further than it already has, Please think before you comment, don't just complain because you have been killed.

I will go on the other side of this and say that since the constant whining about bolt escape, bow/stealth nightblades, Juggernaut DK's, and Blazing Shield-one-shots/Puncturing Sweep-spamming Templars would indicate a level of balance.

The crying is funny though, so much of it is just alot of garbage from people who don't farm skyshards and are fighting somebody with crazy loadouts and like 270-300 skill points and don't understand that their power leveled alt has no prayer against people with that level of versatility.

Thoths_Servant

i completely agree that there is still balancing issues in the game but i cannot count the number of times i see players attempting to play like other classes and cry that they are not effective. The funniest part is that they are not only doing that but assume they were better then the other player and that it was their classes fault or the other persons class needs to be nerfed. There will always be someone better so you are going to die. not only that but they don;t try to counter with new strategies, just throw their faces at a wall over and over and expect the wall the break/ the "if i can't beat it, it must be broken" attitude seems to be all over these forums

Cody

only thing I really want nerfed is the ridiculous block and spam crap that goes on.(maybe damage shield stacking, but its nowhere near as bad)

some people that complain are players that use FOTM builds, and they get mad when someone actually manages to kill them, then they cry nerf.

other reasons people do it.

SOME of them are justifiable.... SOME(block and cast, maybe damage shield stacking, you will find some reasonable nerf calls every now and then) but most of them, from what I see, are threads like "nerf shadow cloak! people spam it too much!" it can be funny sometimes. just ignore all of it.

Saet

^ What he said.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Thoths_Servant wrote: »

DK's are meant for open battle, they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal. its simple logic that everyone seems to be missing.

Nobody should dare attack DKs then? Obviously, I must be very "unintelligent" apparently, because that never even occured to me. Now that I know, I wonder why they even gave templars skills that, you know, do damage in open battle and nightblades skills that can be used outside of stealth, despite the fact that they clearly weren't meant for it.

You are probably right though. We should maybe ask the mods close this section now and instead link directly to your post above.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Also, I don't understand what sorcs are good for. Clearly, they can't neither fight, heal nor stealth, because all those roles are taken already. But they do get an armor buff, could it be that they are intended to be beaten on by DKs for training?

Thoths_Servant

you are misunderstanding what i'm saying, im not saying only dks can fight or that only templars can heal, im just talking about how you approach it as each class. different approaches work for each class and you cannot assume what works on one will work on another, but mainly this is about the complaining not based on data or testing but based on people complaining on how they die.

Surfinginhawaii

I'm a mediocre player at best and you'll never read about me saying something is OP and needs to be nerfed.

Cody

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Also, I don't understand what sorcs are good for. Clearly, they can't neither fight, heal nor stealth, because all those roles are taken already. But they do get an armor buff, could it be that they are intended to be beaten on by DKs for training?

sorcerers are good at blocking steel greatswords with wooden sticks while using BE, spamming damage shields and crushing shock while blocking. works really well for them.

Palidon

I am not complaining I am just leaving. I have had enough of this game which is continually getting Just Worse.

GwaynLoki

Thoths_Servant wrote: »

they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal.

Have to correct you on that, DKs can use for example 2h execute and vampire Mist Form. And they do have burst from weapon line too. DKs have no Class Skill that does these things.

Francescolg

Thoths_Servant wrote: »

...ZOS has said you can play how you want and you can, but that doesn't mean it will be effective. DK's are meant for open battle, they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal. its simple logic that everyone seems to be missing. If you want the most out of your class you have to play it how it was intended...

Bad manners: You call other humans behaviour "unintelligent" and tell others a "cloudy" argument with no further evidence... lol

1. All classes are meant for open battle, not just DKs and Sorcs!
2. Our guild, which is a new guild in the 3rd generation since launch is composed by 50% Dragonknights and 20-30% mages. The reason for this has also been described by you above:
3. 2 b) I'd ***..ng pay money to see the character stats of this game to h_t players like you in the fa_e with their arguments, again and again..
4. I've seen two complete guild "life cycles", that means that 80-90% of the players have quitted the game mostly and only because of similar reasons that you share, that you have described above..

Following your arguments, NBs should always stay in stealth, while Templars should always heal.. or just be supporters. AND THAT IN A GAME WITH JUST 4 CLASSES Unfortunately I have a date now and I do not wish to continue arguing with you.

Please re-think what is unintelligent and what not.. Thank you so much!

I play a DK myself now. I can tell you that there are "worlds" of difference.. Beside that, all my guild mates have, or - better - had to, switch to a bow because of the me_s they did with the stamina-love thing....

Vizier

Thoths_Servant wrote: »

All of the frankly uncalled for and unintelligent complaining about class vs class is having a large negative effect on this game. Everyone complains that they can't kill DK head on or they cant catch a sorc so they cry about it until classes get nufed, but what they don't seem to somehow understand is that the classes and fundamentally different and are created for completely deferent play styles. yes, ZOS has said you can play how you want and you can, but that doesn't mean it will be effective. DK's are meant for open battle, they have to finishers and no burst damage and no escape spells.. so don't attack them head on if your a class made to be stealthy or a class made to heal. its simple logic that everyone seems to be missing. If you want the most out of your class you have to play it how it was intended. if you want to fight like another class on yours, its just too bad. just make another toon. All the crying is gonna do is bring this game down even further than it already has, Please think before you comment, don't just complain because you have been killed.

folks are actually trying that. And now playing NB's for burst damage hit n run. I usually can't kill a DK outright with snipe. I, in fact, usually have to run, but my NB is only V2 and has mediocre gear. If the DK is severely damaged and I get a good shot in from stealth I can burst him down with a couple followup shots. It's fun. I don't get alot of kills but I don't die that much either. I play how I envision my NB should be, cagey, evasive and opportunistic. That said.... WTF is ZOS nerfing damage from stealth? Is that really a problem considering the truly glass cannon nature of stam builds. There might be a method to the madness, especially other things are changed such as Impenetrable which basically negates stam crit builds...we'll see.

It is unfortunate the disparity of situational PvP participation by the NB's and other classes though. Especially considering the general inability to stealth once you get near a keep's NPCs. I do hope t