Personally, I'm disappointed at the TESO's lack of submachine guns, and very disappointed in ZOS's disinterest in supporting my favored play-style.
Come on, this is a game where PVP 1v1 fights are generally measured in minutes, and your complaining that your 0.3 second TTK is going to go to 0.8 seconds due to having to swing your sword a second time to make up for the 100 damage you lost on your opener? Is your character build really so dependent on your opponent not fighting back?
On wait, I'm responding to a guy who hasn't tested the changes, and hasn't even logged onto PTS, due to the fact he isn't subscribing to the game. I guess that makes my submachine gun reference a bit more relevant.
In the wake of the recent news about the removal of sneak attack damage bonus
It's quite simple for me. If this change to stealth damage goes live, I'll cancel my subscription. I mean it.
mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »I wonder if these people with the gimmick builds have considered getting into groups of four and stacking 4 sneak attacks onto the same target as a coordinated group and all popping invis pots and running away after their kill. I doubt that zos will ever nerf sneak attacks so much that coordinated strikes like that would lose effectiveness.
@whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO : Yeah, as we discussed on TamrielFoundry over my Silencer build, it's really the whole NB/Stealth gamestyle that has been broken since the beginning and is even nerfed more with this.
mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »I wonder if these people with the gimmick builds have considered getting into groups of four and stacking 4 sneak attacks onto the same target as a coordinated group and all popping invis pots and running away after their kill. I doubt that zos will ever nerf sneak attacks so much that coordinated strikes like that would lose effectiveness.
I think you guys should just wait it out and try things like - send out your snipe swap to 2h, charge in just as your sneak snipe works and mash executioner on their face. Perhaps even trying to build a character that is capable of going toe to toe now that we all have a stam weapon damaged based heal and equal damage per second.
As far as burst damage is concerned, just chain a heavy attack up with wrecking blow and the new deathstroke. With good timing you can push out ~ 2.5k damage all at once which can lead in to 800-1000 damage non crit hits of executioner - plenty to counter damage shields and hello 50% reduced healing from deathstroke.
i want soo badly for that to be the truth. and for a few months i was believing that was the case and i was allowing myself to think like what you are mentioning. but as i saw them constantly decrease skills for stealth and stamina based class like us nightblades and constantly still see them decreasing abilities and skills for us and now realizing that the dark brotherhood and the thieves guild will hold skill lines for "all" classes and playstyles and the wording used while they made the changes to us nightblades and nerfed skill after skill after skill (including hidden nrfs to us) it just hit me slowly over time that what your suggesting is , well, basicly an imposibility.U every think that changes may be in place in preperation for the champion system, they may have something in store for stealthers, let alone thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i want soo badly for that to be the truth. and for a few months i was believing that was the case and i was allowing myself to think like what you are mentioning. but as i saw them constantly decrease skills for stealth and stamina based class like us nightblades and constantly still see them decreasing abilities and skills for us and now realizing that the dark brotherhood and the thieves guild will hold skill lines for "all" classes and playstyles and the wording used while they made the changes to us nightblades and nerfed skill after skill after skill (including hidden nrfs to us) it just hit me slowly over time that what your suggesting is , well, basicly an imposibility.U every think that changes may be in place in preperation for the champion system, they may have something in store for stealthers, let alone thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
the only thing keeping me going at this point is hope in that champion system and skill lines, that it might hold to help my duel wield / stamina based / stealth based / medium armor wearing / dark brotherhood assassin / rouge type nightblade. and also my love for morrowind and hopes we will perhaps oneday see Vvardenfell in elderscrolls online.
i do love eso and she is a fun and great game but ...
Nightblade
Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.
Specialization: Magic
Attributes: Willpower, Speed
Major Skills:
Mysticism
Illusion
Alteration
Sneak
Short Blade
Minor Skills:
Light Armor
Unarmored
Destruction
Marksman
Security
Spells:
Shield (Shield 5 points for 30 seconds on self)
Water Walking (Water Walking for 60 seconds on self)
Fire Bite (Fire Damage 15-30 points on touch)
Chameleon (Chameleon 10% for 30 seconds on self)
Sanctuary (Sanctuary 10 points for 30 seconds on self)
Detect Creature (Detect Animal 50-150 feet for 5 seconds on self)
Spell and shadow are their friends. By darkness they move with haste, casting magic to benefit their circumstances. (in-game description)
Nightblades are effective assassins and enforcers. Their speed and skills allow them to easily reach places most others could not. Nightblades dispose of opponents with a quick blade and Destruction magic. They are also skilled in Alteration magic, and are proficient in healing themselves.
The Nightblade is a premade class.
Stats
Specialization
Magic
Favored Attributes
Willpower
Speed
Major Skills
Acrobatics
Alteration
Athletics
Blade
Destruction
Light Armor
Restoration
Use
Nightblades tend to favor light armor over heavy armor. They are adept healers and are good at using Alteration magic, casting spells to protect themselves, and so on. They use melee based blades to further weaken their foes while they dispatch them with their powerful spells of Destruction magic.
Their proficiency in Athletics and Acrobatics is unusual for a class that specializes in magic, but they make great assassins and thieves due to their natural speed.
Blades
As the name references to, Nightblades use bladed weapons to further protect themselves. Daggers and shortswords are good to use because the Nightblade tends to be quick and agile, allowing for quick attacks while blasting their foes with destruction magic. Longswords are slower and less quick, but can be deadly if it is used just the right way with a Nightblade. Claymores are not recommended.
Magic
Since Nightblades are not naturally high in Intelligence, it is best to work on Conjuration, Mysticism, or Alchemy to gain a boost in Magicka reserves to cast more spells. Their high Willpower allows them to regenerate magic quickly, which can be used to let off more spells. Their high alteration skill allows them to protect themselves with spells such as Protect or Aegis. If an enemy is far away, a Nightblade can use Destruction spells, ranging from long distance to damage on touch.
Disadvantages
Since they aren't skilled with Illusion magic, it may be wise to use as a side skill to cast invisibility spells, or choose The Shadow as a birthsign. They can probably be killed easily due to their lack of endurance, so it is best to also use Sneak as a side skill, too. It is hard to face hordes of enemies head-on with this type of class, also.
I would like to see a Dirty Tricks ability similar to a Merc in DAoC. But works on careers as well
whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »I wonder if these people with the gimmick builds have considered getting into groups of four and stacking 4 sneak attacks onto the same target as a coordinated group and all popping invis pots and running away after their kill. I doubt that zos will ever nerf sneak attacks so much that coordinated strikes like that would lose effectiveness.
I have played with Bow Gank squads but the the thing is we shouldn't have to just to be effective..
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i want soo badly for that to be the truth. and for a few months i was believing that was the case and i was allowing myself to think like what you are mentioning. but as i saw them constantly decrease skills for stealth and stamina based class like us nightblades and constantly still see them decreasing abilities and skills for us and now realizing that the dark brotherhood and the thieves guild will hold skill lines for "all" classes and playstyles and the wording used while they made the changes to us nightblades and nerfed skill after skill after skill (including hidden nrfs to us) it just hit me slowly over time that what your suggesting is , well, basicly an imposibility.U every think that changes may be in place in preperation for the champion system, they may have something in store for stealthers, let alone thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
the only thing keeping me going at this point is hope in that champion system and skill lines, that it might hold to help my duel wield / stamina based / stealth based / medium armor wearing / dark brotherhood assassin / rouge type nightblade. and also my love for morrowind and hopes we will perhaps oneday see Vvardenfell in elderscrolls online.
i do love eso and she is a fun and great game but ...
I think your fallacy lies in assuming the Nightblade is a Stamina based rogue type assassin.
Here is the Nightblade class as it was in Oblivion:Nightblade
Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents.
Specialization: Magic
Attributes: Willpower, Speed
Major Skills:
Mysticism
Illusion
Alteration
Sneak
Short Blade
Minor Skills:
Light Armor
Unarmored
Destruction
Marksman
Security
Spells:
Shield (Shield 5 points for 30 seconds on self)
Water Walking (Water Walking for 60 seconds on self)
Fire Bite (Fire Damage 15-30 points on touch)
Chameleon (Chameleon 10% for 30 seconds on self)
Sanctuary (Sanctuary 10 points for 30 seconds on self)
Detect Creature (Detect Animal 50-150 feet for 5 seconds on self)
And for Comparison the Oblivion NightbladeSpell and shadow are their friends. By darkness they move with haste, casting magic to benefit their circumstances. (in-game description)
Nightblades are effective assassins and enforcers. Their speed and skills allow them to easily reach places most others could not. Nightblades dispose of opponents with a quick blade and Destruction magic. They are also skilled in Alteration magic, and are proficient in healing themselves.
The Nightblade is a premade class.
Stats
Specialization
Magic
Favored Attributes
Willpower
Speed
Major Skills
Acrobatics
Alteration
Athletics
Blade
Destruction
Light Armor
Restoration
Use
Nightblades tend to favor light armor over heavy armor. They are adept healers and are good at using Alteration magic, casting spells to protect themselves, and so on. They use melee based blades to further weaken their foes while they dispatch them with their powerful spells of Destruction magic.
Their proficiency in Athletics and Acrobatics is unusual for a class that specializes in magic, but they make great assassins and thieves due to their natural speed.
Blades
As the name references to, Nightblades use bladed weapons to further protect themselves. Daggers and shortswords are good to use because the Nightblade tends to be quick and agile, allowing for quick attacks while blasting their foes with destruction magic. Longswords are slower and less quick, but can be deadly if it is used just the right way with a Nightblade. Claymores are not recommended.
Magic
Since Nightblades are not naturally high in Intelligence, it is best to work on Conjuration, Mysticism, or Alchemy to gain a boost in Magicka reserves to cast more spells. Their high Willpower allows them to regenerate magic quickly, which can be used to let off more spells. Their high alteration skill allows them to protect themselves with spells such as Protect or Aegis. If an enemy is far away, a Nightblade can use Destruction spells, ranging from long distance to damage on touch.
Disadvantages
Since they aren't skilled with Illusion magic, it may be wise to use as a side skill to cast invisibility spells, or choose The Shadow as a birthsign. They can probably be killed easily due to their lack of endurance, so it is best to also use Sneak as a side skill, too. It is hard to face hordes of enemies head-on with this type of class, also.
So if you ask me ATM everything is working as intended with the nightblade class
Sure those players that wanted to play the typical rogue like assassin are currently shafted as the skills to supplement that play style have yet to be implemented with the Dark Brotherhood and the Assassins guild, and yes that playstyle will not be exclusive to Nightblades when it gets released but to all classes, thankfuly
dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i want soo badly for that to be the truth. and for a few months i was believing that was the case and i was allowing myself to think like what you are mentioning. but as i saw them constantly decrease skills for stealth and stamina based class like us nightblades and constantly still see them decreasing abilities and skills for us and now realizing that the dark brotherhood and the thieves guild will hold skill lines for "all" classes and playstyles and the wording used while they made the changes to us nightblades and nerfed skill after skill after skill (including hidden nrfs to us) it just hit me slowly over time that what your suggesting is , well, basicly an imposibility.U every think that changes may be in place in preperation for the champion system, they may have something in store for stealthers, let alone thieves guild and dark brotherhood.
the only thing keeping me going at this point is hope in that champion system and skill lines, that it might hold to help my duel wield / stamina based / stealth based / medium armor wearing / dark brotherhood assassin / rouge type nightblade. and also my love for morrowind and hopes we will perhaps oneday see Vvardenfell in elderscrolls online.
i do love eso and she is a fun and great game but ...