Most Unbalance game in PVP history

Sav72

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

Jennifur_Vultee

Scarlet Blade...the lag was so bad in PVP that often times you'd freeze, find yourself behind enemy lines dead or skills would take 15-20 seconds to fire IF they worked at all. It was like that for six months straight so when ESO went live I jumped ship and never looked back.

Kego

Aion.
Where Sorcs could One-Hit others or Gladiator that could nearly One-Hit a full grp.

ESO is quite good balanced. Sure there are problems, but any MMO has its FOTM classes over time.

Currently DKs are to strong, who knows, in one year maybe everyone is crying that Nightblades are damn OP and needs massive Nerfs!!!

CapuchinSeven

I've seen worse, but ESO does have it's own special something when it comes to balance, the game is massively heavily sided for DKs and as usual any mention of that is followed up by the same old excuses by people playing them.

"this game is a team game, not 1v1" as they run around killing anything in sight and not dying to 5 players beating on them. Apparently it's okay for them to be gods of 1v1 AND team fights.

"it's fine because I can't do damage" as they fail to understand half the problem IS that they can do high damage and keep a high survivablity at the same time like no other class.

And so on and on.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Actually, it's exactly like any other mmo game in history, where some things are stronger than others.

Kego

Someone could say ESO is a WOW Clone, cause both have OP DKs.

Cody

guybrushtb16_ESO wrote: »

Actually, it's exactly like any other mmo game in history, where some things are stronger than others.

I can see the wisdom in that.

but there are times where you are like "... how???"

reften

yes, all of them. I think it's extremely balanced...Hello enchanters and Bonedancers in DAoC...monks in EQ. I mean really?

There are 4 classes. Each has some darn good abilities that make them very effective. L2P

khele23eb17_ESO

oren74 wrote: »

yes, all of them. I think it's extremely balanced...Hello enchanters and Bonedancers in DAoC...monks in EQ. I mean really?

There are 4 classes. Each has some darn good abilities that make them very effective. L2P

Yes, each has some darn good abilities but not all have multiple, highly rewarding synergies between them.

Domander

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

Cody

Domander wrote: »

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

sorry, but I myself don't count block and spam as "balanced":/

Cody

oren74 wrote: »

yes, all of them. I think it's extremely balanced...Hello enchanters and Bonedancers in DAoC...monks in EQ. I mean really?

There are 4 classes. Each has some darn good abilities that make them very effective. L2P

......

right. maybe you should make a NB and try to fight a DK with it:D unless that DK is just bad, you will get destroyed.

Beotor

"Can anyone think of any game worse then this?" yes lotro PvMP

Baphomet

Granted, there are some issues that still need to be addressed but right now the biggest imbalance in the game is the difference in player skill.

Kego

Cody wrote: »

right. maybe you should make a NB and try to fight a DK with it:D unless that DK is just bad, you will get destroyed.

Daoc:
Try to kill a Bonedancer with any Warrior -> you die
Try to kill a Enchatress with any Warrior -> you die
Assassins will crush any caster if he gets first hit
Bowmen will crush any caster if he gets first hit
Every DD will crush any healer.

WoW:
Try to kill a Blood Death Knight as Melee -> you die
Try ti kill a Frost Mage as Melee -> you die

What do we learn? MMOs are no E-Sports, therefor it don`t need and will never have a balance between all classes and combinations.

khele23eb17_ESO

Kego wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

right. maybe you should make a NB and try to fight a DK with it:D unless that DK is just bad, you will get destroyed.

Daoc:
Try to kill a Bonedancer with any Warrior -> you die
Try to kill a Enchatress with any Warrior -> you die
Assassins will crush any caster if he gets first hit
Bowmen will crush any caster if he gets first hit
Every DD will crush any healer.

WoW:
Try to kill a Blood Death Knight as Melee -> you die
Try ti kill a Frost Mage as Melee -> you die

What do we learn? MMOs are no E-Sports, therefor it don`t need and will never have a balance between all classes and combinations.

MMOs not having balance does not mean they shouldnt strive to achieve it. If we went by your logic car manufacturers wouldnt be working on increasing survival chances of drivers and passengers of their vehicles in accidents because 'well, its never been safe so it dont need to'.

Gulvar

I never played Warhammer but when a friend who only plays fighter/monks in every MMO made a Bright Wizard there I assumed it was really OP.

Kego

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

MMOs not having balance does not mean they shouldnt strive to achieve it. If we went by your logic car manufacturers wouldnt be working on increasing survival chances of drivers and passengers of their vehicles in accidents because 'well, its never been safe so it dont need to'.

So you are telling me a car manufacturere is working on increasing survival cahances cause of one or two victims or only if their are a lot of?

Cody

Kego wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

MMOs not having balance does not mean they shouldnt strive to achieve it. If we went by your logic car manufacturers wouldnt be working on increasing survival chances of drivers and passengers of their vehicles in accidents because 'well, its never been safe so it dont need to'.

So you are telling me a car manufacturere is working on increasing survival cahances cause of one or two victims or only if their are a lot of?

yes. if the manufacturer just said "its not a big deal" I would likely buy from someone else.

Varicite

Sav72 wrote: »

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

FFXI Ballista when it was first introduced.

Try this as a Bard, then come tell me how bad ESO PvP is...

Xsorus

Sav72 wrote: »

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

Did you only play eq? Because this game isn't even in the top 10 of most unbalanced MMOs to date. Hell even eq had enchanters and necromancers which wrecked most people

Domander

Cody wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

sorry, but I myself don't count block and spam as "balanced":/

um, blocking is something everyone can do..... so you can't really claim "not balanced"

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Domander wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

sorry, but I myself don't count block and spam as "balanced":/

um, blocking is something everyone can do..... so you can't really claim "not balanced"

So you wouldn't have a problem if they changed block so that your abilities stop doing ANY damage while you block? After all everyone can block right?

Nox_Aeterna

Sav72 wrote: »

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

Yes , this game at launch.

Hell it was so bad it was not even a joke lols.

Domander

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

sorry, but I myself don't count block and spam as "balanced":/

um, blocking is something everyone can do..... so you can't really claim "not balanced"

So you wouldn't have a problem if they changed block so that your abilities stop doing ANY damage while you block? After all everyone can block right?

I think that would break the mechanic, so I would have a problem with it. They're talking about changing it somehow so that holding block all the time isn't viable, which I think is fine.

Grim13

I've never understood the "similar things are broken therefore we should accept this being broken" logic. Probably because it isn't logical.

Xsorus

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Actually I find pvp pretty balanced.

sorry, but I myself don't count block and spam as "balanced":/

um, blocking is something everyone can do..... so you can't really claim "not balanced"

So you wouldn't have a problem if they changed block so that your abilities stop doing ANY damage while you block? After all everyone can block right?

I'd have more of a problem with it flat out breaking the game because some bads couldn't figure out how to use one of the many abilities in this game that counter Blocking.

Cogo

Sav72 wrote: »

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

Edit: Added people who can correct me. (Nox, check my post for fact errors will ye?)
@Nox_Aeterna

That's way to easy!
Worst PvP balance ever!

World of Warcraft!
First 2 YEARS, Rogues were stupidly overpowered. 2 daggers, 3 buttons. All they needed.

Then Blizzard's board of directors stopped playing rogues and they where not a class at all. The directors seams to only play DKs, since they still are moronic overpowered.

If you been playing MMOs since EQ, and can't think of any PVP unbalanced game, below ESO? Did you play any MMO other then EQ?

Anarchy Online
AO was Fixer - Agent - Fixer - Agent - Solder got damage shield ALL attack by 75% of THEIR attacks. Level 20 solders "killed" World level 110 mobs. Got a level per kill.
- Funcom fixed soldiers.

Fixer - Agent - Fixer - Agent.

Eve online
Still pretty much the best PvP balanced MMO until Plex hit.
The strong grows stronger and the weak, weaker. Ruthless, coorp and stone cold space MMO.

Eve had an awesome economy btw. I think I recognize that from somewhere.....HEY! ESO economy is based on Eve! Not a copy but hot damn! Any item is worth what someone wants to pay for it.
Thank you NO AH!

Hell yeah! Eve was tons better in PvP then ESO. Better then ALL MMOs! (before plex)
Ultima online might beat Eve in PvP but......

How about Dark Age of Camelot?
PvP there is pretty damn good yeah?
It DOES seam familiar.....hmm. Didn't Matt Firor have something to do with DaoC?
HE LEAD THE DAMN THING!

"But these are old mmos!!??"

Mkay!!

Wildstar
Short version:
Wildstar Medics heals and buffs like demigods. While doing good damage. Their leaderboard are topped by Medics.

Wildstar have no AE caps on skill/buffs - What game have AE caps to prevent unbalance? Oh! ESO!
Check!

Quote from Wildstar PvP "lords" - August

Don't make strictly PvP abilities or strictly PvE abilities. Make abilities that can be used for everything

Hmm, I know that from somewhere? Hey! ESO have lots of global abilities that can be used for everything!
Check!

The Limited Action Bar and Abilities system will be able to solve the PvP vs PvE imbalance.

Let me see, ESO action skill bar = Yep, it's core and steady to prevent future unbalance! Big whooping NO on "more buttons". Balance safety!
Check!

Class balance isn't the issue at carbine. Its player skill balancing. You can't balance a game for people who suck at it. Look how many people rage quit because they couldn't be the 20 man raid. So many people left wildstar not that its "broken" but the fact being its too hard/hardcore for them.

Reason certain classes aren't on top is because people are bad.

I KNOW I heard this somewhere? What MMO was it that based the players "power" on personal skill?

Oh! ESO!!!

There are so many possible future "builds", there woun't be players enough to "find" them all.
Check!

Carbine developers needs to look at GW2 and DaoC to learn what real PvP is!

Didn't Matt Firor say something about having developer teams who been with GW2?
For any DaoC question - Ask Matt, he lead it!
Check!

Unfortunately Carbine continues to make 1 bad decision after another. Not punishing exploiters, buffing healing and defense while nerfing damage, deciding to release one big monster patch months in the future, rather than weekly fixes and updates

At least no one can blame Zenimax for not pushing out stuffs weekly. Including Hotfixes where servers don't even need to go down.

Why are people complaining about Zenimax adding things on a regular basis?
Oh yeah! They don't add interesting stuff for THAT player!

Is ESO PvP better or worse then Wildstar? I do not know. They are different but still have the same factor in "personal skill".

Wildstar you have your weapon and "set" gears and skills per class.
ESO you have global skills - tons of sets and more coming. Werewolf anyone?

I think both games are very different and hard to compare, but as balance goes. They are on par.

For me, I would never touch Wildstar. However, its one bloody impressive game!
Wildstars MMO CORE mechanics are awesome! Even vastly different MMO to ESO. Both Wildstar and ESO share some CORE features.

Player skill = YOU. You can't do something? Sorry, everyone can't. Or get better!

ESO combat balance - content and game play
- I am sorry PvP people, you are in Tamriel, a world for PvE, as well as PvP.
- I am sorry PvE people, you are in Tamriel, a world for PvP, as well as PvE.
- I am sorry solo players, you are in Tamriel, a world for group content, as well as solo play.
- I am sorry group PvE players, you are in Tamriel, a world for solo content and solo ONLY story lines, as well as group PvE encounters.

You ALL play ESO. A game for the whole of Tamriel. Not ONLY "YOUR" part!
Look what's coming and there is something for everyone!

Chill! Have a cookie! I made these cookies from the new provision revamp. It adds a funny comments every time you pull a Kajiits tail!

Wonder if I can spell craft food buffs?

Think about the whole ESO and "other players" sometimes?
You never know, when you need a friend for a group!

Real elite raid guilds - I am sorry it took Zenimax 6 months to whip out the Arena and Serpent trial. Not that I call those real raids......but time will tell eh?

If ANYONE got any base what so ever to complain about ESO. It's the ELITE raid people. You are not among them unless you are able to form a raid out of the blue, before reading this long arse post!

PS: All vet ranks are level 50 + rank stats.

Khivas_Carrick

Literally I agree with everything you said except half of the player skill parts. A skilled player can only go so far with a tool box full of rusted tools to fix a machine that's fighting back against the mechanic.

Blocking is awesome, but it needs a few tweaks for PvP. Dragonknights are overpowered, it's pain and easy to see, Sorcs are also OP but only when pushed to the limit of possible "exploits".

Nightblades and Templars are underpowered in certain areas, NBs far less than Templars and both in different areas, NBs having slight issue in PvP outside of stealth attacks and Templars in PvE outside of healing.

Other than that, as a successful melee dps templar, I agree with your assessment on player skill

Mumyo

Sav72 wrote: »

Can anyone think of any game worse then this? I have been playing MMO since EQ....

WoW, Aoc, Swtor, Aion,

So basically every mmo i played yet was way worse!
I didn't play Aion btw but i heard alot of balanceissues!

Every class can definately beat every class in this game... the only problem i see are staminabuilds that are beeing fixed very fast compared to any other game.

Vizier

@Op - Bull Pucky. This topic is all Drama. Moving on.