Request to all plant gatherers in the Hollow City

Lava_Croft

If you see a plant you don't really need, like for example Wormwood, please do harvest the plant. Too many people leave plants like Wormwood, which makes the Hollow City end up with nothing but Wormwood and Blessed Thistle, until someone with common sense comes along and clears all the nodes.

Not harvesting a 'bad' plant only decreases the chance of a good plant popping up. Please harvest the 'bad' plants so our chances at getting 'good' plants increase.

Thank you!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

poodlemasterb16_ESO

No.

ThePonzzz

I harvest them all. I also don't mind you leaving the worm only nodes, though plump worms are an abomination!

springbound

lol Good Luck with this ... there are very few of us that harvest the nodes beyond the most wanted plants. Just like runes...

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

I harvest everything 'cos there's use for most things and I'm not such a *** as to take only the juicy items.

Vuron

I've always harvested everything but some people don't understand the impact of leaving certain plants.

Even worse than this is the people that harvest the mats but leave the worms behind.

bellanca6561n

Vuron wrote: »

I've always harvested everything but some people don't understand the impact of leaving certain plants.

Even worse than this is the people that harvest the mats but leave the worms behind.

I would say that there should be a special ring of hell for these individuals except that I used to do it myself. The reason? I honestly didn't know this prevented the node from respawning until somebody told me.

Where it gets "interesting" is when you first go to the Hollow City. You're in a separate instance from most everyone else who've finished the main quest chain in Cold Harbor. Yet the resources are NOT instanced. Thus you are competing against unseen people for them, being frustrated by "Someone is using that" messages when you fail to get to it first, and vice versa.

Lava_Croft

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Where it gets "interesting" is when you first go to the Hollow City. You're in a separate instance from most everyone else who've finished the main quest chain in Cold Harbor. Yet the resources are NOT instanced. Thus you are competing against unseen people for them, being frustrated by "Someone is using that" messages when you fail to get to it first, and vice versa.

This also happens if you have already finished the main quest. I constantly run into plants that some invisible person is using.

bellanca6561n

Yes, that's the vice versa part, Lava

DenverRalphy

I don't know why anybody wouldn't harvest Wormwood. It's one of the ingredients to make one of the best Unstoppable/Heal potions in the game.

KenCleanAirSystem

Wormwood is also one of only two ingredients that have the Detection property.

Lava_Croft

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I don't know why anybody wouldn't harvest Wormwood. It's one of the ingredients to make one of the best Unstoppable/Heal potions in the game.

People leave the Wormwood because even if you quaff detection potions like an alcoholic, you still are left with an endless supply of the stuff.

SpAEkus

I have always run all nodes there with auto-loot on, but I did get yelled at once for "taking all the ingredients".

I tried to politely tell that person to "run faster".

I thought there was no protocol to "stop" harvesting a particular location just to allow others to get the same node as long as I wasn't "camping" any nodes.

Hollow city run for all nodes takes about 5-10 mins loop and I expect anyone else in the same loop will still get as many nodes as I do unless they are following "me" instead of the nodes.

If that is indeed an issue I will adjust my form the next time I am there.

Digiman

This isn't any players fault, the blame lies in the design of the plants loot. Frankly with such limited inventory space and the fact you can't vendor the crap worms the game gives for a simple gold piece it's no wander nodes are chock full of crappy plants in crowded populated cities.

Your best is the wild, plain and simple.

radiostar

Yeah, you're gonna have to gather the way you want to. That means skipping some things, leaving some things behind

Lava_Croft

Digiman wrote: »

This isn't any players fault, the blame lies in the design of the plants loot. Frankly with such limited inventory space and the fact you can't vendor the crap worms the game gives for a simple gold piece it's no wander nodes are chock full of crappy plants in crowded populated cities.

Your best is the wild, plain and simple.

The blame lies in players not picking up 'bad' plants, which results in the entire zone being stuck with nothing but 'bad' plants. This applies to the Hollow City as well as 'the wild'.
Suggesting that the inventory space has anything to do with it is just silly. Plants have stacks of a 100 and things like worms can just be destroyed.

SienneYviete

Maybe they just don't need anymore Wormwood, why would someone harvest a node when they don't need the items the node is displaying. How is this another players problem? You want the "good" plants clear the nodes yourself.

Ourorboros

This theme has been done to death. See this thread:
[url=" http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/129507/cherry-picking-rune-farmers[/url]
This is an MMO. It's impossible to control other players. By all means vent about things you don't like, but at the end of the day, you either adjust your attitude or live with your frustration.

Divinius

Ourorboros wrote: »

This is an MMO. It's impossible to control other players. By all means vent about things you don't like, but at the end of the day, you either adjust your attitude or live with your frustration.

Totally agreed that you can't prevent people from being selfish, but there is a third option: try to get ZOS to recognize the issue, and change the mechanics of the game to prevent this issue. Make harvestables automatically despawn/respawn on regular timers, for example.

Stonesthrow

If you aren't going for the fishing achieves, sell the worms in stacks or give them to guilds. They sell at Kiosks fairly well.

Leaving them behind hurts you as much as anyone else at the moment. The plant won't respawn, but I do take comfort in the knowledge that you will eventually come across your own plantless worm spawn and get that twinge of "awwww #$%@" like the rest of us. :P

@ OP - As far as taking the good plants and leaving behind what is considered is bad? I'll get them all, no worries. I still believe some of these "worthless" plants, not wormwood by any means, will be used for poisons in a future patch… and therefore I have a mule with over 1000 of most of them. I also sell, trade and giveaway these plants to people who are leveling alchemy. Why use good ones, eh?

Vuron

Divinius wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

This is an MMO. It's impossible to control other players. By all means vent about things you don't like, but at the end of the day, you either adjust your attitude or live with your frustration.

Totally agreed that you can't prevent people from being selfish, but there is a third option: try to get ZOS to recognize the issue, and change the mechanics of the game to prevent this issue. Make harvestables automatically despawn/respawn on regular timers, for example.

Fourth option... educate other players. As has been admitted in this thread, some people just don't know that plants can randomly spawn other types after being harvested and you could end up with an entire zone of Wormwood. Or, players didn't know that not taking the worms stopped the plants from respawning.

There's nothing wrong with a little education. And to everyone saying that they'll just keep cherry picking the mats they want.... that's OK and your choice but don't complain when it's you that is harvesting and there are no plants available that you need.

Ourorboros

Divinius wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

This is an MMO. It's impossible to control other players. By all means vent about things you don't like, but at the end of the day, you either adjust your attitude or live with your frustration.

Totally agreed that you can't prevent people from being selfish, but there is a third option: try to get ZOS to recognize the issue, and change the mechanics of the game to prevent this issue. Make harvestables automatically despawn/respawn on regular timers, for example.

Ageed. The limited inventory certainly doesn't help dissuade players from cherry-picking. Seems reasonable that since a game mechanic promotes this behavior, a game mechanic can be introduced as a solution.

Rosveen

I don't have bag space for mats I don't use, sorry.

Lava_Croft

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't have bag space for mats I don't use, sorry.

That's why you dump them at a vendor or destroy them. Your ultimate goal is to get as much good plants as possible, something that will work the best if you harvest every plant/worms you come across.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't have bag space for mats I don't use, sorry.

That's why you dump them at a vendor or destroy them. Your ultimate goal is to get as much good plants as possible, something that will work the best if you harvest every plant/worms you come across.

I just buy whatever I need. Good prices out there and it's a market for those who like harvesting stuff. I do it because I need things, not for fun.

I bought 32 Bugloss for 900g just a while ago, smokin' deal. That's over 120 of the good health/stamina/magic potions, with the other two ingredients.. As I make between 2000g - 3000g an hour of questing these days it's a waste of my time hunting mats.

The Hollow City is a zoo for mat hunters, I grab stuff as I go places but HC is ridiculous. The hordes of hunters spamming the best plant resource in the game is amusing though.

Takeda_Shingen

Lava_Croft wrote: »

If you see a plant you don't really need, like for example Wormwood, please do harvest the plant. Too many people leave plants like Wormwood, which makes the Hollow City end up with nothing but Wormwood and Blessed Thistle, until someone with common sense comes along and clears all the nodes.

Not harvesting a 'bad' plant only decreases the chance of a good plant popping up. Please harvest the 'bad' plants so our chances at getting 'good' plants increase.

Thank you!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Most of the plants give special traits for example Wormwood includes weapon critical and unstoppable or Blessed Thistle which has restore stamina, increase weapon power and speed. So there aren't really bad plants but bad harvesters...

Ourorboros

Most of the plants give special traits for example Wormwood includes weapon critical and unstoppable or Blessed Thistle which has restore stamina, increase weapon power and speed. So there aren't really bad plants but bad harvesters...[/quote]

There is no such thing as a bad plant OR a bad harvester. There are players whose expectations cause them to label certain behaviors as undesirable, and there are players who disregard any expectations but their own. Latter players are labeled as selfish by former players because their strategy impinges on expectations. Former players are just as selfish, but because their strategy of emptying all nodes benefits other players as well as themselves, they now feel justified in complaining about 'bad' harvesters, as if this will control that behavior, possibly through guilt.

Philosophical BS aside, IT"S A GAME. Players cannot control other player behavior, only their own attitudes. Venting on forum is an okay way to release frustrations, but this issue about 'node etiquette' is not a big deal. There are plenty of resources in the game. If you can't harvest that rare you want, use the other resources you can find to buy it from someone. HAVE FUN .

Lava_Croft

This is not about controlling other players. This is about teaching other players that their behaviour harms both themselves as well as others.

Ourorboros

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This is not about controlling other players. This is about teaching other players that their behaviour harms both themselves as well as others.

LOL, gotta love the doublespeak! Teaching is a form of controlling, and I doubt other players feel they need a lesson. No one is being harmed by cherrypickers. More like 'player-induced RNG'. =D

Lava_Croft

Ourorboros wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This is not about controlling other players. This is about teaching other players that their behaviour harms both themselves as well as others.

LOL, gotta love the doublespeak! Teaching is a form of controlling, and I doubt other players feel they need a lesson. No one is being harmed by cherrypickers. More like 'player-induced RNG'. =D

You can try to put all kinds of words in my mouth, but the posts speak for themselves. Nobody is trying to control anyone and just repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it true.

Ourorboros

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This is not about controlling other players. This is about teaching other players that their behaviour harms both themselves as well as others.

LOL, gotta love the doublespeak! Teaching is a form of controlling, and I doubt other players feel they need a lesson. No one is being harmed by cherrypickers. More like 'player-induced RNG'. =D

You can try to put all kinds of words in my mouth, but the posts speak for themselves. Nobody is trying to control anyone and just repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it true.

Expressing my opinion is not putting words in your mouth. As far as your comment, "repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it true" applies to you as much as to me. Let's just say we agree to disagree .