Welcome to Cyrodiil

trimsic_ESO

We will, we will rock you!




By the way, I could not find any stamina based skills in the death recap window since ages.


These screenshots were taken the same day. They clearly show the current state of the metagame in Cyrodiil.

In short, it's completely broken. Everyone can equip a light armor, a destruction staff and be a vampire, so what? Well, more and more people just do that just because it's the most efficient way to raid in Cyrodiil at this moment. The game lacks abilities and techniques to counter this play style and those raids that are stacking pulsar and bat swarm in a brainless way. This is ending up to something out of control.

To the game designers:
- Please, try to understand this is not going to the right direction.
- Please, try to understand that more and more people are quitting ESO partly because of this situation.

I hope this is not the metagame we deserve, we the players of ESO. I'm very sad about such a situation, and I'm close to be tired waiting for something to change

Sharee

Batswarm is quickly becoming a crutch that everyone has to rely on to be competitive. That's not good. Soon you'll be able to take a screenshots of a 20 vs 20 fight with not a single player visible on the screen... just bats.

TheBull

It's just about were it was right after launch.

trimsic_ESO

TheBull wrote: »

It's just about were it was right after launch.

Sad to say it's so true

Sarousse

As Trimsic said, we're tired of seeing batswarm all along Cyrodiil.

- No counterpart on this (don't tell me about fire and vampires, it's a joke, they just put a fire resist enchant and it's done).

- They can cast DURING the batswarm.

- Cost is too low.

- Visibility problem.


We have litteraly no tools in game to counter this, until we choose to become a vampire, and spam pulsar & batswarm.



Add to this :
- unbreakable CCs.
- plate armor useless.
- weapon melee skills doing waaaaaaaay too little damage compared to distant & magicka skills.


Devs, could you at least post an update on the subject where you say that the whole team is aware of these problems and working on it ?

We just want a cool metagame for a damn cool game.

Tarkit

something does need to be done it makes pvp very dull

Merlin13KAGL

Bat swarm, by itself, is not the problem. The fact that it came from a level 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 characters is.

If the Dev's would change the quest so that it was only successful based on what you are supposed to do, i.e. Feed, you would not run into characters this low level with this kind of power. People are going to be vamps and werewolves, but they're supposed to be fighting L42 NPC's to accomplish this.

Since the exploit was introduced allowing someone to complete the vamp quest using nothing but a bow, this is the side effect.

Even a battle leveled L17 shouldn't be putting out this kind of damage with no more skills unlocked then what they would have at that level.

Syndy

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Bat swarm, by itself, is not the problem. The fact that it came from a level 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 characters is.

If the Dev's would change the quest so that it was only successful based on what you are supposed to do, i.e. Feed, you would not run into characters this low level with this kind of power. People are going to be vamps and werewolves, but they're supposed to be fighting L42 NPC's to accomplish this.

Since the exploit was introduced allowing someone to complete the vamp quest using nothing but a bow, this is the side effect.

Even a battle leveled L17 shouldn't be putting out this kind of damage with no more skills unlocked then what they would have at that level.

You do realize the lvl by their name is not their character lvl, but thier PvP rank right?

Guessing by your post, you do not, these players are probably all VR12, but they are PvP rank 12, 14, 15, and 17...

Cody

TheBull wrote: »

It's just about were it was right after launch.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Bat swarm, by itself, is not the problem. The fact that it came from a level 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 characters is.

If the Dev's would change the quest so that it was only successful based on what you are supposed to do, i.e. Feed, you would not run into characters this low level with this kind of power. People are going to be vamps and werewolves, but they're supposed to be fighting L42 NPC's to accomplish this.

Since the exploit was introduced allowing someone to complete the vamp quest using nothing but a bow, this is the side effect.

Even a battle leveled L17 shouldn't be putting out this kind of damage with no more skills unlocked then what they would have at that level.

just so you know, its not an exploit, its just kiting. you could do the same thing with a staff.

Merlin13KAGL

Syndy wrote: »

You do realize the lvl by their name is not their character lvl, but thier PvP rank right?

Guessing by your post, you do not, these players are probably all VR12, but they are PvP rank 12, 14, 15, and 17...

@Syndy, no, I did not realize that. I thought the number was their pre-battle leveled character level and the War Rank was decoded by the chevrons.

Thank you for clarifying that for me.


And @NookyZooky, it would be just as much of an exploit with a staff if you don't feed, which is what the quest calls for. Most of the how-to-low-level-vamp guides I've seen, feeding never takes place.

Low level characters (which I mistakenly interpreted those as being) would not survive a fight a something 30 levels above them. If they could, there would be level 12's all over zones 3-5, and there aren't.

Kiting's not the exploit. Completing a quest without doing what the quest requires is. I've yet to see a single video where this is done and the character walks out of the dungeon alive instead of suicide porting.

Cody

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Syndy wrote: »

You do realize the lvl by their name is not their character lvl, but thier PvP rank right?

Guessing by your post, you do not, these players are probably all VR12, but they are PvP rank 12, 14, 15, and 17...

@Syndy, no, I did not realize that. I thought the number was their pre-battle leveled character level and the War Rank was decoded by the chevrons.

Thank you for clarifying that for me.


And @NookyZooky, it would be just as much of an exploit with a staff if you don't feed, which is what the quest calls for. Most of the how-to-low-level-vamp guides I've seen, feeding never takes place.

Low level characters (which I mistakenly interpreted those as being) would not survive a fight a something 30 levels above them. If they could, there would be level 12's all over zones 3-5, and there aren't.

Kiting's not the exploit. Completing a quest without doing what the quest requires is. I've yet to see a single video where this is done and the character walks out of the dungeon alive instead of suicide porting.

if they made us feed, we could still simply kite the mobs. it would not be much of a difference.

Merlin13KAGL

NookyZooky wrote: »

if they made us feed, we could still simply kite the mobs. it would not be much of a difference.

I'm referring the Quest of the Scion. If they made us feed, NPC's would turn around and thump the character after. If you weren't of intended level, you would effectively die.

I do not believe they intended for single digit levels to be able to stay alike in Zone 5, let alone complete the quest. But this is getting of the OP's topic.

trimsic_ESO

Do you remember the bug affecting Magma Armor in the patch 1.3?

Just a little refresh: when the patch 1.3 was released, Magma armor was dealing about 300-400 dmg around the DK while reducing the damage taken to 3% of the maximum health. The game designers have estimated that this skill was not working as intended, and Magma Armor was reverted to what it did before, i.e. about 30-40 dmg per tick. This was a smart decision.

On the other hand, Bat Swarm deals about 300+ dmg around the caster while the caster is stealth; in short, it is at least as powerful as the buggy version of Magma Armor, but apparently the game designers believe Bat Swarm is working as intended.

What is the rationale here?

Vampire being exposed to fire damage? We all know that in practice vampires don't care much about fire damage, thanks to the fire spell resist enchant, the spell resist provided by the light armor passive ability, and immovable. Vampires actually only care about some fire siege weapons.

Cody

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

if they made us feed, we could still simply kite the mobs. it would not be much of a difference.

I'm referring the Quest of the Scion. If they made us feed, NPC's would turn around and thump the character after. If you weren't of intended level, you would effectively die.

I do not believe they intended for single digit levels to be able to stay alike in Zone 5, let alone complete the quest. But this is getting of the OP's topic.

I did the quest at level 8. they don't one shot you. if they made us feed, all we would have to do is knock them back, then start kiting them. but you are correct, this is getting off topic.

Kronosphere

i dont know enough to say for sure but it FEELS like they do too much damage (i could be wrong) but my main issue is the visibility and difficulty in targeting them. its plain silly, tab works but even that can be hard to get. finding a single moving vamp in a crowd of allies even with bats going all over the place is like finding a needle in a hay stack. god forbit an ally does a counterbat swarm then its like finding a specific needle in a needle stack.

and for the record my level 16 NB did the vamp quest and killed the npc's without vamp skills (accidentally unslotted them) and without exploit (not even sure what exploit is). with a combo of bow, poison arrow, soul siphon, shadow cloak, cripple and impale with 15m morph. it was damn hard tho and took a good hour.

also about the feed comment. if i remember right feedings is a stun soooo thatd just make it a billion times easier?

Drjones501

I did the vamp quest at as a lvl 16 nb, used magnum shot, siphon, and the snare from the same line as siphon. Didn't die, and snuck my way out after getting my ten kills. Should I feel bad that I know how to use the class? Before I even tried the quest I tried killing lvl 40ish humanoid mobs in bankori (sp) with zero issues.

As far as bat swarm unlit is concerned, just dodge out of the way or if you have heals it's not hard to regen through it. Think of some strategy before you assume it's over powered.

Illumous

Drjones501 wrote: »

I did the vamp quest at as a lvl 16 nb, used magnum shot, siphon, and the snare from the same line as siphon. Didn't die, and snuck my way out after getting my ten kills. Should I feel bad that I know how to use the class? Before I even tried the quest I tried killing lvl 40ish humanoid mobs in bankori (sp) with zero issues.

As far as bat swarm unlit is concerned, just dodge out of the way or if you have heals it's not hard to regen through it. Think of some strategy before you assume it's over powered.

You did see the death logs right? Dodging doesn't work when you have four people at once using it and they are streaking around. It's not a hard thing to deal with when only a single person uses it, but this is not just a single person.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Bat swarm, by itself, is not the problem.

Fixed that for ya
ugh... batswarmbeeches everywhere

Phinix1

Just to be fair, since we're all jumping on the "ZOMG IT IS SO UNFAIR NERF EVERYTHING!" bandwagon here, ANY well-coordinated group (especially those with voice chat) that intentionally focus fire and save attacks to stack damage are going to beat your arse to smitherines if you are fighting solo or without the benefit of said well organized team of your own.

'Tis the nature of MMO's, my friends.

Also, I don't know why we are blaming people getting vampirism "too soon" (the heck?) because that has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. This is about people wanting to flex their 1vX muscles and getting stomped by a well-organized team then instead of finding some friends or a guild with voice chat and getting organized themselves, posting on the forum about it.

What difference would it make if the people damage stacking bat swarms on you (or focus firing you with any other damage) were level 12 or level v12?

None, that's how much.

trimsic_ESO

@AlienDiplomat‌
We raid as an organized team, and we are all fed up with vampires in Cyrodiil.

Phinix1

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@AlienDiplomat‌
We raid as an organized team, and we are all fed up with vampires in Cyrodiil.

It's a decent ultimate, no question. The healing morph fills a sorely needed function for melee characters that aren't super survivable. Still, there are almost always better options available.

I happen to be a vampire NB, but I don't have any vampire abilities on my bar when I go to Cyrodiil. Usually it is Soul Assault on one bar and either Veil of Blades or Soul Tether on the other depending on the situation. Veil is great for defending and Tether is amazing for smaller encounters.

Too much can go wrong with bats. First and foremost, you have to be down in the thick of things to achieve maximum effect. There you can get rooted, chained, stunned, and it only lasts for 6 seconds. After that good luck surviving the focus-fire &^%$ storm that will surely be headed your way.

Sure if you stand in it that whole time without heals you are going to take like 1.6-2k damage, but even that with just passive HoT's shouldn't be enough to kill you.

Personally I would much rather save my ult for that annoying Sorc that keeps bolting through our group and getting away. Nothing like DoT'ing them and then melting their face with Soul Assault to brighten your day. XD