Low-level Animal mobs no longer dropping Rawhide Scraps

Circuitous

Calling this a bug, since it worked just fine prior to 1.3. Even animals significantly below your level dropped rawhide/hide/leathet/etc. scraps equivalent to their level on a pretty regular basis. I just ran a lap through Stros M'Kai taking out wolves and mudcrabs with nothing to show for it.

Being veteran rank doesn't mean I have no reason to craft lower-level gear. If this change is working as intended, I'd like to know why (and if it's not, let's get it fixed).

TomSamuel

Agree. Heard it is the same problem for provisioning items. I sold black tea to a vet last night because apparently he couldn't loot it like I did. I thought it was suppose to be zone based

Circuitous

Leveled provisioning items haven't dropped in their zones for a long time, actually. This situation is new.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

NVM, reading comprehension fail, assuming "low level" means level 1-10.

GnatB

Is it possible they implemented some form of TLC, meaning mobs too low level simply don't give any loot? Or is it just the leather that's not dropping?

(Personally, I've never been a fan of TLC. If the game is designed right, the higher level character would always be better off fighting stuff that wouldn't be affected by TLC anyways)

Edit: For those curious, TLC = Trivial Loot Code

Dovel

Yes, no Leather drops from anything 5 levels lower than your character level. Why would they change that? Was there some issue with killing mudcrabs that suddenly had to be addressed?

Game getting worse with every patch. I guess they want us to funnel through a set path, get to the last zone, and then sit around waiting for the next patch to come along. Don't ever go back to an older zone.

Resource nodes will be next.

Natjur

If your +5 levels of a mob, they do not drop any loot or gold EXCEPT tradeskill items. (guts, leather etc) but this is now broken.

When they added the new collectibles (which only drop off mobs within 5 levels of your level) they broke all items classed as tradeskill items.

Note : V1-V12 are classed as L50, so you can still farm L44+ mobs.

There is a bug already logged about this and the dev's know of this issue. It looks like the 'tradeskill item' flag was removed from of theses items.

Auralia

I've noticed all critters, like deer, squirrels, chickens sheep etc. are now classed as lvl 1 so if you are over lvl 5 meat, rawhide, guts, crawlers no longer drop from them.

Dovel

At first I thought it was a bug, but it seems it is intended.

Circuitous

If so I disagree vehemently with the intent. Any high-level character now needs an alt just to collect crafting or fishing materials, and that's silly.

Aenra

i hope it is intended;

sometimes you offer things, and people abuse them, or take advantage of them in ways hurting other players. Theory ends, practice commences

if this is their answer to V12s running next to my lvl3 farming mats they have no business farming there (see:level 3 area), then kudos to Zenimax, sorry

act maturely, act with some sense in regards to the fact that there are actually other people affected by your actions..and then sure, am with you.

Circuitous

So you'll be less upset when those V12s run next to your L3 with their own L3s farming the same mats at the same rate? It's just a nuisance making the alt, it won't really slow anyone down.

zhevon

I hope its not intended - some of us like to craft for ones guildies.

If it is intended - I have a better solution - every level of refined mats you get an extra 25 gp for and/or you are much more likely to get upgrade stuff. From what I have seen the difference is so slight its worthless.

So much for you can do anything. I am particularly pissed because of the lets smack the crafters again attitude. Plus because I am perpetually overlevelled to get meaningful money for inventory, etc I go down to lower areas (in my zone - not a vet whose being obnoxious) so I don't get xp while I wait for LFGs to fire.

Dovel

Aenra wrote: »

i hope it is intended;

sometimes you offer things, and people abuse them, or take advantage of them in ways hurting other players. Theory ends, practice commences

if this is their answer to V12s running next to my lvl3 farming mats they have no business farming there (see:level 3 area), then kudos to Zenimax, sorry

act maturely, act with some sense in regards to the fact that there are actually other people affected by your actions..and then sure, am with you.

So to be a crafter you now need a..

1- 5 Alt
6- 10 Alt
11 - 15 Alt
16 - 20 Alt
21 - 25 Alt
26 - 30 Alt
31 - 35 Alt
36 - 40 Alt
41 - 45 Alt
46 - 50 Alt
V1 - V5 Alt
V6 - V10 Alt
And my V12 Main.

Hm, that makes sense. If you need any gear I hope you are making alts to gather, because my prices just increased by a factor of 10.

aipex8_ESO

Yeah, this has to be fixed as it is really only effecting half of one crafting profession. I can still go to low level zones and mine ore, chop wood, pick plants, etc. The only thing I can't get is mats for medium armor.

Holycannoli

It wouldn't be a problem if we could "downgrade" leather, either scraps or refined I'm not sure which would be better.

Circuitous

Better if the system just worked than trying to tack on new things like that.

Holycannoli

Circuitous wrote: »

Better if the system just worked than trying to tack on new things like that.

But the system does work. Leather is loot and you don't get loot from trivial mobs. The problem isn't the system, it's the fact that leather is loot.

Maybe there should "skinning" instead, so that we can still get leather from trivial mobs we just have to skin the corpses. Either that or they have to code it so every mob can always drop leather no matter the level difference.

Circuitous

Holycannoli wrote: »

Either that or they have to code it so every mob can always drop leather no matter the level difference.

Which is exactly how it worked before, and all I'm asking for.

Holycannoli

Circuitous wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Either that or they have to code it so every mob can always drop leather no matter the level difference.

Which is exactly how it worked before, and all I'm asking for.

The concern was high levels farming low level areas leaving no mobs for the low levels.

This problem doesn't exist with nodes, but leather is dropped or potentially skinned from corpses. I don't see a way to allow high levels to obtain low level leather without them farming.

DerAlleinTiger

Aenra wrote: »

i hope it is intended;

sometimes you offer things, and people abuse them, or take advantage of them in ways hurting other players. Theory ends, practice commences

if this is their answer to V12s running next to my lvl3 farming mats they have no business farming there (see:level 3 area), then kudos to Zenimax, sorry

act maturely, act with some sense in regards to the fact that there are actually other people affected by your actions..and then sure, am with you.

You do realize that most of those high levels farming likely aren't just doing it for the hell of it, right? It's very likely that they're doing it to craft gear for a friend or guildmate. Or, in my guild's case, doing it to craft gear to give away to low levels in the starter zones. We have a give-away scheduled for today and, when I went to check inventory, I discovered we only have 54 rawhide in the bank. Went out to collect rawhide only to remember that I can't do that. So hopefully my guild has some low-level alts or else there are going to be a lot of disappointed medium armor newbies out there.

Please, Zenimax. There are some of us out there who aren't jerks and actually try to help the community out, and this change is hurting us. My lowest level character is 21, so no more rawhide for me.

Pele

Edit because I just found this:

Critters are not currently dropping dropping guts, and there are issues with collecting leather and hide scraps. This is unintended, and will be addressed in a future patch.

Source

Circuitous

Excellent.

DerAlleinTiger

Good! I'm glad to see it's not intentional. I just hope the fix for it is sometime soon.

Marcusstratus

Circuitous wrote: »

Calling this a bug, since it worked just fine prior to 1.3. Even animals significantly below your level dropped rawhide/hide/leathet/etc. scraps equivalent to their level on a pretty regular basis. I just ran a lap through Stros M'Kai taking out wolves and mudcrabs with nothing to show for it.

I'm experiencing the same issue, I just wandered all over Bleakrock killing every wolf, mudcrab, and polar bear in sight, and not a single one dropped a hide. And I'm only level 10. I'm in a serious bind because of this, actually, because I need to craft new medium armor, and I can't get any hide/leather for it.

I find medium armor to be MUCH more difficult to obtain materials for than either light or heavy armor. In the first place, you don't even always get rawhide/leather/etc. scraps off creatures that are near your level. Add to that, it takes considerably more time and effort to kill creatures than harvesting cloth mats or mining ore requires. My nightblade wastes soooo much time running around hunting just trying to scrape together a few hides, while my mages have no issues whatsoever with having enough materials to craft new robes every few levels (not to mention leveling up clothing).

This problem is compounded for me at the moment by the fact that most of the creatures in the Stonefalls area where I'm at in my questing all drop chitin and carapaces, not rawhide.

Please please tell me this is a bug. It was hard enough to get hides before, but now.... it seems nigh impossible. I may have to just switch to different armor which I'm really not pleased about, but I'm also really not interested in wasting even more time trying to get the needed materials. And I'm not saying this after a single run of bleakrock, that was just tonight's frustrating experience in a long line of pointless hunting expeditions. I've had the same issue on Khenarthi's Roost and Auridon. I'd Really like to see hide and leather drop more consistantly - you kill an animal you get its hide, same as you get something every time you harvest a node. I wouldn't care if creatures never dropped random loot like "iron greeves of stamina" (seriously where was that mudcrab keeping those, and can I use one as a backpack that's bigger on the inside) Just give me hide and leather!!!

Circuitous

It's a bug, and an acknowledged one at that. Hoping it gets patched soon.

DerAlleinTiger

I have mixed feelings on this:

"Critters are not currently dropping dropping guts, and there are issues with collecting leather and hide scraps. This is unintended, and will be addressed in a future patch."

It's good because they're acknowledging it's there; but the fact that there's no official state on the fix worries me. This is causing some big issues for some people, and it's kind of disheartening to see what is essentially 'we'll get to it eventually' in the acknowledgement thread.

Circuitous

It'll be okay.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Wait til you need Fell Hide. Now that is hard to come up with. Trolled a pile of guild selling stations the other day and came up with 2 fell scraps. They have everything else in 100 lots.

Pele

In related news, the price of guts has gone up drastically due to this issue. The highest I've seen so far is a buyer paying 2000g a stack. Pre-botch, the price was ~100g-200g per stack.

DerAlleinTiger

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait til you need Fell Hide. Now that is hard to come up with. Trolled a pile of guild selling stations the other day and came up with 2 fell scraps. They have everything else in 100 lots.

You get fell hide in Coldharbour. Port over there and farm some netches. It's not the easiest thing to farm, but it's better than trying to scrape from guild stores. Also, you really don't need that much fell in the long run. Only levels 46, 48, and 50 (and 50 could be interchanged with the VR1 medium material that I can't remember the name of because none of medium wearers are VR1 yet).