I think an easy option that would make people happy is keep the current sets as they are. The new proposed sets on PTS can be put in game as NEW sets- "Oak Trail" "Dawnbreaker's Embrace" Something new. Make the new sets more desirable so people will want to upgrade to them, but their current sets won't be completely changed and worthless.
There is a reason everyone was using the same two or three sets, they were horribly imbalanced and OP as hell compared to every other one, including nearly all of the drop/pvp acquired sets.
Sorry OP, but knowing full well this game was still well within a balancing phase with changes to classes and bonuses everywhere, no one should have used a single gold temper yet, they are just wasting them.
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »There is a reason everyone was using the same two or three sets, they were horribly imbalanced and OP as hell compared to every other one, including nearly all of the drop/pvp acquired sets.
Sorry OP, but knowing full well this game was still well within a balancing phase with changes to classes and bonuses everywhere, no one should have used a single gold temper yet, they are just wasting them.
Seriously? People play at different pace. I am not allowed to finally invest into gear that I saved up for after 3 month and countless hours of playtime? I am playing no beta, game is released, I`d like to use the perks offered after going through all quests and arriving at final level.
It is not my responsibility that ZOS (or the closed beta testers) didn`t bother to compare efficiency of set bonuses and balance them accordingly. We are 3 months in. After a year of beta testing.
To suddenly decide to make all my efforts useless is a slap in the face. I.e.: During all my playtime, doing all the quests in the game plus hirelings I gathered 5 Kuta. I was so looking forward to the moment I reach v12 to optimize my gear.
I did so one week ago. How am I supposed to ever get 5 friggin Kutas again, when I have no intend to just walk through areas I have no business in (done all quests) just to farm stuff for countless hours? Again, after just arriving at v12 and eagerly awaiting that moment for 3 months of questing/pve.
I don`t play a job simulator where my main concern is to keep income high enough to be able to enjoy the content I originally wanted to play, nor a trading simulator - I play for pvp. I did about 200 hours of questing just to reach that point. No interest at all, to waste my precious spare time to run around gathering nodes, when all I want is doing pvp.
I accepted a new tier of gear at v10, when v12 was introduced, far too fast pace in my opinion. But I accepted it, didnt complain. But now, again, randomly they decide, Mojo, you are screwed. After I spent all my materials. Wow.
I think "play the way you want" applies for me as well, right?
3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »The changes don't affect me much at all because I have not crafted legendary gear but I understand the problems that others have. Regardless of what you have crafted/bought, the changes will affect many people to varying degrees. I wish we could have a thread that doesn't flame where people would detail their costs in a constructive manner. Show the devs exactly how this will impact you in gold/mats and not just complain about the few points in crit you lose.
From the Road Ahead release:
"It’s important to note that from now on, whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line."
It has taken time, but they have now stated that they will refund points for respec, I have hopes that they will come up with a solution to compensate for the set changes as well. The set changes are pretty major for a lot of people and and the costs are significantly higher than a 10k-15k respec.
Influence decisions through data not surface complaints and threats.
3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »The changes don't affect me much at all because I have not crafted legendary gear but I understand the problems that others have. Regardless of what you have crafted/bought, the changes will affect many people to varying degrees. I wish we could have a thread that doesn't flame where people would detail their costs in a constructive manner. Show the devs exactly how this will impact you in gold/mats and not just complain about the few points in crit you lose.
From the Road Ahead release:
"It’s important to note that from now on, whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line."
It has taken time, but they have now stated that they will refund points for respec, I have hopes that they will come up with a solution to compensate for the set changes as well. The set changes are pretty major for a lot of people and and the costs are significantly higher than a 10k-15k respec.
Influence decisions through data not surface complaints and threats.
I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining and I certainly didn't threaten, I tried to make it more of a well written request while clearly mentioning that I am losing 63 gold upgrade mats (acquired through various means as I also stated). Actually, I calculated wrong and it's 72 but that's beside the point.
3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »The changes don't affect me much at all because I have not crafted legendary gear but I understand the problems that others have. Regardless of what you have crafted/bought, the changes will affect many people to varying degrees. I wish we could have a thread that doesn't flame where people would detail their costs in a constructive manner. Show the devs exactly how this will impact you in gold/mats and not just complain about the few points in crit you lose.
From the Road Ahead release:
"It’s important to note that from now on, whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line."
It has taken time, but they have now stated that they will refund points for respec, I have hopes that they will come up with a solution to compensate for the set changes as well. The set changes are pretty major for a lot of people and and the costs are significantly higher than a 10k-15k respec.
Influence decisions through data not surface complaints and threats.
I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining and I certainly didn't threaten, I tried to make it more of a well written request while clearly mentioning that I am losing 63 gold upgrade mats (acquired through various means as I also stated). Actually, I calculated wrong and it's 72 but that's beside the point.
I didn't think you were complaining. It was stating in more general terms regarding other threads the devolved into pointless back and forth. I think your approach is good and I hope others follow. I apologize if it seemed like my post was directed at you.
I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
timidobserver wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Most MMOs make a large portion of the game's gear completely obsolete/useless at one time or another
I think an easy option that would make people happy is keep the current sets as they are. The new proposed sets on PTS can be put in game as NEW sets- "Oak Trail" "Dawnbreaker's Embrace" Something new. Make the new sets more desirable so people will want to upgrade to them, but their current sets won't be completely changed and worthless.
But not in this way.timidobserver wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Most MMOs make a large portion of the game's gear completely obsolete/useless at one time or another
3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »The changes don't affect me much at all because I have not crafted legendary gear but I understand the problems that others have. Regardless of what you have crafted/bought, the changes will affect many people to varying degrees. I wish we could have a thread that doesn't flame where people would detail their costs in a constructive manner. Show the devs exactly how this will impact you in gold/mats and not just complain about the few points in crit you lose.
From the Road Ahead release:
"It’s important to note that from now on, whenever we introduce a major change to a skill line, we will be offering a free respec to players who have invested points in that line."
It has taken time, but they have now stated that they will refund points for respec, I have hopes that they will come up with a solution to compensate for the set changes as well. The set changes are pretty major for a lot of people and and the costs are significantly higher than a 10k-15k respec.
Influence decisions through data not surface complaints and threats.
Maverick827 wrote: »But not in this way.timidobserver wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Most MMOs make a large portion of the game's gear completely obsolete/useless at one time or another
Maverick827 wrote: »But not in this way.timidobserver wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Most MMOs make a large portion of the game's gear completely obsolete/useless at one time or another
MMO's rarely destroy gear players are already wearing, short of bug/ exploit issues.
Maverick827 wrote: »But not in this way.timidobserver wrote: »Maverick827 wrote: »I don't know of any MMO that's ever done something like this before.You should not get anything for what you did with your gear. That was your choice and no one elses. If they decide to upgrade the old sets to the new ones, fine, if not, then make new ones. It's part of the ever evolving MMO.
Most MMOs make a large portion of the game's gear completely obsolete/useless at one time or another
I think that's everyone's point with this issue. Most people like the changes but they aren't just progressing forward with the game and it's design, they are literally changing the game mechanics design of some of the items. That's not part of the ambiguous so-called "ever-evolving MMO."
Mojomonkeyman wrote: »I am playing no beta, game is released, I`d like to use the perks offered after going through all quests and arriving at final level.
It is not my responsibility that ZOS (or the closed beta testers) didn`t bother to compare efficiency of set bonuses and balance them accordingly. We are 3 months in. After a year of beta testing.