Bridge between sejanus and alessia.

griszax

Is it me or designers of cyrodiil went silly mode ? Why put such a crap designed bridge just near 1 alliance ? I mean try to compare other choke points on the map and no other is just as silly to camp enemy players as those bridges at AD front.
I know You can go under bridge etc but it's not the point . How come only 1 faction got so obvious camp places so that 2 others just take turns and farm ap there ? It's getting really silly nowadays as there are EP on 1 tower DC on the second and some farming groups running around.

Agrippa_Invisus

You do know there are two other major bridges over that river as well as one rope bridge to the east of the Alessia bridge, right?

griszax

So ? they are still at AD front and can be easily camped . You didn't get the point at all. Why only AD faction got such a designed choke point to allow many groups just farming there at once. Going under the bridge can be solution but : u can camp there too and most people don't even try going there. Lately whenever I come into cyrodiil it's farm fest on that bridge and it's silly that 2 different faction groups just set oils there and camp for hours.

ESeregon

So like Alliance bridge in AV... find a way to just get across ... Adapt. Overcome.

Morticielle

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You do know there are two other major bridges over that river as well as one rope bridge to the east of the Alessia bridge, right?

No, he does not. His tear-filled eyes couldn't see them.

Leave this bridge as it is. Those fights are really funny. And with the oil fixed so it can't hit through walls anymore, there is no need to change the bridge.

Halrloprillalar

Because our deep fryer brings all the EP to the yard, and they're like, it's better than yours.

Talcyndl

Feel bad for the closet sitters with the oil pot fix.

Agrippa_Invisus

Morticielle wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You do know there are two other major bridges over that river as well as one rope bridge to the east of the Alessia bridge, right?

No, he does not. His tear-filled eyes couldn't see them.

Leave this bridge as it is. Those fights are really funny. And with the oil fixed so it can't hit through walls anymore, there is no need to change the bridge.

I've enjoyed the fights over those bridges more than I ever have over the mile gates. There's more to them, and it makes it a more complex puzzle to solve. Not just 'zerg rush through, turn around, range down oil pot users'.

Huckdabuck

I ran with an EP guild on Wabba last round (cm500)....and that bridge was good for a couple of hours of fun every night! We could take 15 people and basically hold off either the AD or DC zergs heading for BRK via Sejanus. If we got wiped after 30-45 minutes then we would run back and find that whomever wiped us had taken our spots thinking that they would be able to do the same. Their only problem was that we'd have our bridge back within 5 minutes and set back up for the fun to recommence on the next zerg heading for Sejanus.

griszax

The fact is that only 1 faction have to face so bad designed choke point while others just abuse this. It's not even close to "fine". The fact u can have 4 oils dropping on at the entrance ... then 2 more in hallway and again 4 from tower... Then You can have even more inside the tower / inner bridge and don't forget there is another tower to camp too . This is the most *** choke point in the whole game and only complete ignorant people would say it's fine.

Halrloprillalar

griszax wrote: »

The fact is that only 1 faction have to face so bad designed choke point while others just abuse this. It's not even close to "fine". The fact u can have 4 oils dropping on at the entrance ... then 2 more in hallway and again 4 from tower... Then You can have even more inside the tower / inner bridge and don't forget there is another tower to camp too . This is the most *** choke point in the whole game and only complete ignorant people would say it's fine.

Have to? You can't turn your horse?

griszax

The "You can't turn your horse ?" is just silly ... why only AD faction have to either go under bridge (where u can still get camped ) or run longer way ? You really don't see the problem in here ? Or are You one of those "organised " groups that just spend their whole time on those bridges to get AP ?:)

Jaxom

You can also take a few steps to either side and go under the bridge. You can also go further downstream and cross there. If you see that the bridge is completely covered in Oil and seige, then dont go over it. It's not a bridge over a gorge where you must cross. Just go around it. I dont understand the the issue is. EP and DC have Gates between Nikel and Bleakers which act as a similar choke point. There are spots on those gates specifically to pour oil down into. People just don't utilize it but you cant say it's the only choke point, because it's not.

Halrloprillalar

griszax wrote: »

The "You can't turn your horse ?" is just silly ... why only AD faction have to either go under bridge (where u can still get camped ) or run longer way ? You really don't see the problem in here ? Or are You one of those "organised " groups that just spend their whole time on those bridges to get AP ?:)

Shrug. It is what it is. The fastest safest way is to use a forward camp well past the place.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

The bridge is actually less defensible than the other two Keep/outpost gates that create the AD/DC border and DC/EP border. You can have a team sneak under the bridge where you can jump across the water to the other side, but not with the other two gates.

Meanwhile, the other gates are kind of one-way themselves. On one side you can easily climb up to the top to repel people coming from the other side with ranged attacks, and theres only 1 way through those from one of the sides. the gates could use some reconstruction so its not beneficial to one side at all times.

IMO, these gates and bridges make cyrodiil feel more like a closed space than a field of war. They should just remove the slaughterfish from the AD/EP river and put some holes in the mountainous borders of EP/DC and DC/AD so going through those gates isn't an absolute necessity.

griszax

Wow You guys really have problems with reading ... I don't give a crap about being farmed because I know every way to avoid this bridge. The POINT is that no other faction got as nearly bad designed choke point as AD and it is being abused since the start of game. Sometimes it even comes to the point that all the fights on map are around this bridge which is just sad. If You don't see the problem in that then please stay away from this thread.

Armitas

That river has been there for over a 1000 years. We are playing on a lore historic map rather than a created map for pvp.

If the bridge wasn't there, well we'd have to swim with the slaughter fish.

Aeaeren

Jaxom wrote: »

You can also take a few steps to either side and go under the bridge. You can also go further downstream and cross there. If you see that the bridge is completely covered in Oil and seige, then dont go over it. It's not a bridge over a gorge where you must cross. Just go around it. I dont understand the the issue is. EP and DC have Gates between Nikel and Bleakers which act as a similar choke point. There are spots on those gates specifically to pour oil down into. People just don't utilize it but you cant say it's the only choke point, because it's not.

OMG the gate fights are a blast no matter which side you are on. DEATH and destruction. Oil pots everywhere and the only time I busted out chains other then keep walls. Wait I guess he wants it to be all fair so we need to nerf the Bridge now.

griszax

For a pure pvp'er those bridges are just bad design and it's just silly that they are only placed at AD side... There is no chance You can do the same oil farming on any other choke point and if You don't understand that then please don't post comments about lore or some other useless crap. If You don't see a problem with only 1 faction having a choke point where 2 other factions come to farm then we have nothing to talk about. Ye I get that it's the easiest and the most efficient way to farm AP but come on You really think that this bridge is well designed compared to other choke points ? Just consider the bridge design itself and You will see my point.

Halrloprillalar

But that's the thing, the map for Cyrodiil was never designed with perfect 'balance' in mind other than keep/outpost distances.

Aeaeren

griszax wrote: »

For a pure pvp'er those bridges are just bad design and it's just silly that they are only placed at AD side... There is no chance You can do the same oil farming on any other choke point and if You don't understand that then please don't post comments about lore or some other useless crap. If You don't see a problem with only 1 faction having a choke point where 2 other factions come to farm then we have nothing to talk about. Ye I get that it's the easiest and the most efficient way to farm AP but come on You really think that this bridge is well designed compared to other choke points ? Just consider the bridge design itself and You will see my point.

NO I think the issue is people keep complaining about why this and that are un-fair and well ZOS seems to listen and nerf things WAY to much the change to Fiery Grip is a perfect example the fix is so over the top it's a pretty much useless skill now. There are much better fixes and NOT everything is an exploit or un-fair. It's not a choke point if you have other options, it is only a choke point IF YOU WANT it to be.

griszax

It's all funny and You are all right but now tell me why people keep farming at this bridge since the start of campaign and I have never seen any group farming at EP and DC choke points ?:) Maybe because design of this bridge is so *** that even 1 handed monkey can farm AP there without trying hard ? Do You really think I care about AP and people farming it ? I'm just getting disapointed because every time I log in nowadays most of the people are just sitting at this bridge doing nothing but just oiling. If You call that pvp or even fun then we have different sense of fun. Most of the time people don't even care about siegeing / defending keeps they just go for the bridge.

@Aeaeren People complain about many things ... but if ZoS nerfs something it's clear they didn't intend people using skill in that way. I'm pretty sure fiery grip is a skill to help dk's get into range of enemies and not allow them to take keeps without any kind of siege

I'm not gonna bother anymore commenting since it seems people actually enjoy fighting 15 people hiding behind oils on a bad designed bridge . Or people commenting here are those who enjoy doing that ?:)

Lowbei

so go around or under the bridge. this isnt rocket science.

also the bridge seems to be designed fairly well. you should refrain from "waaah i died" posts, its not a good look.

Aeaeren

griszax wrote: »

It's all funny and You are all right but now tell me why people keep farming at this bridge since the start of campaign and I have never seen any group farming at EP and DC choke points ?:) Maybe because design of this bridge is so *** that even 1 handed monkey can farm AP there without trying hard ? Do You really think I care about AP and people farming it ? I'm just getting disapointed because every time I log in nowadays most of the people are just sitting at this bridge doing nothing but just oiling. If You call that pvp or even fun then we have different sense of fun. Most of the time people don't even care about siegeing / defending keeps they just go for the bridge.

@Aeaeren People complain about many things ... but if ZoS nerfs something it's clear they didn't intend people using skill in that way. I'm pretty sure fiery grip is a skill to help dk's get into range of enemies and not allow them to take keeps without any kind of siege

I'm not gonna bother anymore commenting since it seems people actually enjoy fighting 15 people hiding behind oils on a bad designed bridge . Or people commenting here are those who enjoy doing that ?:)

I am not trying to be mean, they camp it because people KEEP coming back to it. It's not badly designed that is a matter of opinion, the other people who do it think it's fine or they might want some improvements. You want them to quit farming then quit giving them something to farm.

The fix for Fiery grip killed it unless the target is on the same z-axis. Meaning if you are a couple of steps higher on the stair case then me it's not usable any longer. There are tons of other ways they could have fixed it but they chose this one which pretty much made it useless.

Avidus

Has anybody told this guy that EP use this bridge too.
Its right in the middle of EP and AD, its the border of their territory.
So if AD are to attack EP, then its the fastest way.
But the same is said the other way around.
EP use it to get to AD.

So basically what I am hearing in this is....
"I got defiled at a milegate and think its unfair that I lost"

Zintair

I wish I had a bridge I could farm people at so close to me.

Almost seems like it was designed for AD...

/tinfoil hat off