So, the elephant in the room on DB - NA no one else is asking

Rylana

Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...

DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?

Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.

We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Every faction says this in every campaign.

Rylana

Maybe so, but when one faction intentionally guards the other factions forward camp so they can respawn to defend something... without attacking them, just to screw the third party...

Raises some questions

or this one time, when one was seiging the east wall, the other the west wall, poor little AD caught in the middle, and those two giant zergs werent even engaging each other

Omnevolus

Actually, seems rather realistic to me. History classes. They are good for something!

Armitas

I think they may be there to gank. Whenever there is a DCvsEP fight there are always some AD there ganking between the tent and the keep. I haven't heard of any alliances but I tend to stick to myself out there so maybe I wouldn't know.

No clue about the double sided keep.

SwampRaider

Are you sure we are allied with EP?

I mean I spent over 2 hours with 40 other DC on TS taking their *** away from them and killing hundreds... so

half of the time i'm on DB, I feel like some AD are working with EP. I mean we all go through these accusation phases

CapuchinSeven

yaaaaaaaawn, all I hear from every faction (I play all three factions) is that the other two sides are ganging up on them.

HazardousNovex

Armitas wrote: »

I think they may be there to gank. Whenever there is a DCvsEP fight there are always some AD there ganking between the tent and the keep. I haven't heard of any alliances but I tend to stick to myself out there so maybe I wouldn't know.

No clue about the double sided keep.

Yesterday while I was playing on chrysamere, my guild had been trying to take one of our home keeps, bloodmayne.. after taking it we repaired and were met with both red and blue players sieging right next to each other.. blue players went up the stairs to wipe players while red players went to take the flags, if this isn't an alliance, I don't know what is.

Dekkameron

I guess Historically it should be the AD and DC forming a partial alliance against the EP...

but EP and DC working together?!?! NEVER!

aksyong

Rylana we just love to screw with you guys when u go midnight capping for emperor. Since u love to screw with us when we are pushing for emperor, we could do the same to you.

Moreover, you guys calling that we are alliance with EP are such jokes. I run a 2 man party while the rest of DC are trying to cap ales. Maybe you'll find 3-4 stray DC who spawned at my FC and try to tackle you guys. Other than that it's hardly an alliance. I kill Warz and other EP on sight, likewise I would kill you on sight.

Don't be a whiner. Just because we are hitting you instead of EP doesn't mean we are alliance, we are merely squashing the squishies first.

aksyong

Armitas wrote: »

I think they may be there to gank. Whenever there is a DCvsEP fight there are always some AD there ganking between the tent and the keep. I haven't heard of any alliances but I tend to stick to myself out there so maybe I wouldn't know.

No clue about the double sided keep.

Exactly what he said. If you guys can do that stuff to us, expect us to do the same stuff back to you.

Gilvoth

why are you blaming the customers for an exploit that zenimax created and want's to happen?

Barnabas

I can assure you that EHJ will kill either faction on sight. Welcome to the wonderful world of 3 faction PVP, the way every single game should have done it.

Kybotica

Sorry but all I really ever do in this game is PvP in this campaign, and you couldn't be further from the truth. You might be getting attacked by both factions at once, but trust me when I say we aren't allied. If you were not in the middle, or at that particular resource, I can say with 100% certainty that we would be killing one another instead of killing you.

On a similar note, I know of a great number of times where I've been in a group of EP and we've been hit by both factions at one location, with both factions ignoring one another for the most part. If you watch in those scenarios, the two will kill one another if they get too close. This happens whenever it is more beneficial (or thought to be more beneficial) to attack one faction over the other.

bruceb14_ESO5

Seems decent to me, I'm AD. Seen some of the ganking such as a couple of nights ago when we were hitting infamous Chalman with EP tunneled in and just a few DC hitting our FC. That could have been smurfs saying no to a yellow Emperor, not necessarily collusion or bullying poor yellow. Are we stooping so low to complain?

Omnevolus

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

why are you blaming the customers for an exploit that zenimax created and want's to happen?

Sorry, I just have to remark:

^^^ That's like asking why we're blaming people for killing people, instead of blaming the guns....lol.

Done smart-remarking. Carry on!

KBKB

Everyone says this, on every faction. The worst spot to be is 2nd on the ladder because you are the most logical target of both sides. Even if you aren't sometimes it makes better sense to break the walls and let the enemy rush the flag then come in and wipe them. Alliances don't exist unlike paranoia which seems to be rampart. I've played on a few camps and I can assure you EP thinks AD and DC gang up, AD thinks DC and EP gang up and DC think AD and EP gang up. Sometimes you make a more convenient target. If another faction wants to do the leg work of siegeing a keep why not let them?

Agrippa_Invisus

When DC were hitting the scroll temple of Chim yesterday while the AD forces kept probing and attacking the BRK area, it felt like it was the opposite - that AD and DC were allied.

Then AD sieged Kings while DC hit Arrius, and more folks made the same accusation.

mjspnrb18_ESO

I'm gonna put this to rest, as I organise the majority of EP on DB, there is NO ALLIANCE between DC and EP and our zone goes nuts saying that AD and DC are working together as well and I sit there typing "no there's no alliance, every alliance thinks the same about the other two" no matter where u go you are always going to come to a situation where its a 3 way and 1 side is going to get wiped first before the other two engage each other.

Aeaeren

So? What's the issue here? One side and join up with another side to attack the 3rd side, it's not cheating. It's politics.

Warz

Why am I priority target?

FENGRUSH

I think EP is simply choosing the path of least resistance and killing what is easiest.

Kybotica

Hard to see, but this is a DC character, one of many, who was actively defending the postern wall of castle black boot while the keep was still held by the AD. They stayed on the top floors of the inside and poured oil onto us, and actively pursued us whilst ignoring the AD almost entirely. They never took the keep or the scroll within.

Agrippa_Invisus

Warz wrote: »

Why am I priority target?

Cuz yer so pretty, Warz. They're jelly.

Laura

It is actually much more sinister than you think. We are conspiring against YOU PERSONALLY.

MUAHAHHAHAHA

IcyDeadPeople

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

why are you blaming the customers for an exploit that zenimax created and want's to happen?

I haven't played on the campaign the OP mentions, and from the comments above it seems this is not exactly what is happening here. However, two of the factions occasionally forming alliances and teaming up against the third is not an exploit. This was described by the developers as one of the important balancing features for three faction PVP: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2013/09/09/ask-us-anything-variety-pack-7

If players are free to choose one of three factions, how will ESO strike a player balance between the three? What if one faction is over-populated while another is extremely under-populated? The under-populated one won't stand a chance in claiming the throne!

Three-sided battles actually allow for more player balancing options than systematic options. If one side is over-populated, the other two sides usually gang up on that alliance. That being said, there are alliance population caps per campaign to make sure one alliance doesn’t fill up a campaign entirely. There are also scoring incentives for alliances that are tailing behind when capturing resources and keep, from the winning Alliance if the score is imbalanced. You’ll get more points by taking keeps and resources from the winning alliance and holding your own keeps, helping you catch up in the overall score. Lastly, keeps can be captured with smaller groups than you may expect, so even under-populated alliances have a real shot at claiming the throne.

How will the Alliance Wars work with the three alliances? Let’s say the Ebonheart Pact controls a keep. Can the Aldmeri Dominion and the Daggerfall Covenant attack that same keep, at the same time? Or in the same scenario, let’s say I am from the Aldmeri Dominion. Can I just go around and start attacking the Daggerfall people who are attacking that keep, or are the confrontations capped to two alliances at any given time? – By Gabriel Feix

In that scenario, Aldmeri and Daggerfall forces can attack the keep at the same time, and like you said, if they wipe out the Ebonheart defenders, it’s up to the two Alliances left to battle it out between each other. The Aldmeri attackers could choose to attack Daggerfall while assaulting the keep or just wait until the dust settles and attack whoever is left. Another tactic could involve the Ebonheart force withdrawing from the keep, letting Aldmeri and Daggerfall fight each other, and then wiping out any remaining forces from those two fighting. It’s very exciting what three sides in open warfare add to a fight, and you’ll see many tactics out there on the battlefields of Cyrodiil!

Halrloprillalar

Ally with yourselves all you want, more AP for us to farm

Kingscrest farm was particularly impressive with the willingness of DC to travel so far out of their way, only to get repeatedly slaughtered. At least they learned their lesson... eventually... EP seems to love doing the same things over and over and over and... "have we been here before?" lol.

edit: I realize AD does this during their emp pushes as well... sigh. Damn chalman.

FENGRUSH

In case you didnt see the leaderboard, DC cleans up on 'farming' in dawnbreaker.

So everytime you think youre doing great and getting lots of farm. Multiply it by 2 or 3 and youll know how it is to be blue.

Halrloprillalar

FENGRUSH wrote: »

In case you didnt see the leaderboard, DC cleans up on 'farming' in dawnbreaker.

So everytime you think youre doing great and getting lots of farm. Multiply it by 2 or 3 and youll know how it is to be blue.

There is nothing worse than being blue.

Mataata

"Underdog alliance".




When AD owns almost every keep in almost every campaign, they aren't quite what I'd call the "underdogs" here.

FENGRUSH

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

In case you didnt see the leaderboard, DC cleans up on 'farming' in dawnbreaker.

So everytime you think youre doing great and getting lots of farm. Multiply it by 2 or 3 and youll know how it is to be blue.

There is nothing worse than being blue.

Getting farmed by blue might be worse. Or being forced to listen to this the rest of the day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc#t=33s