Can we have a campaign where all AoE dps skills are disabled?

Bashev

Title says all. I would like a campaign where all AoE dps skills are disabled. The only AoE damage should be from siege weapons. Oil should be reworked so you cannot be able to set it up everywhere you want.

Currently AoE spells require less skills from the players. You do not have to target anyone you just spam the skills.

Another option for AoE skills can be all stamina based ones. Because using them you lose stamina and that leads to less survivability.

If you do not like this campaign you can just chose a normal one.

Before you start saying that I am single dps NB I will tell you that I am VR12 DK. Not everybody likes the AoE spam fest.

Gloran

Most tanky class, with the ability to reflect all projectiles, wants aoe skills gone, sounds legit, why not /sarcasm

ugabite

aoe is the bane of this game .makes both pvp and pve faceroll .i guess we will see some responses saying how its needed to beat the zerg in pvp lol what nonsense. non targeted 360 aoes are too much in a game where the majority of skills you have to aim over the target. lol how many people have i seen spamming impulse with no one in range as they try to catch up to their target .

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO

When I saw the PvP trailer of TESO I thought.... OMG I want this game!!!. Then I joined and was very sad to know the PvP is only about AoE spam.

PS: I am not NB. I play as DK/Templar VR12.

Tannakaobi

Bashev wrote: »

Before you start saying that I am single dps NB I will tell you that I am VR12 DK. Not everybody likes the AoE spam fest.

You really are playing the wrong type of game...

arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Before you start saying that I am single dps NB I will tell you that I am VR12 DK. Not everybody likes the AoE spam fest.

You really are playing the wrong type of game...

Maybe you are right :-s and TESO isn't for us. Zenimax had to do a PvP trailer showing an AoE spam fest like the game really is. I feel cheated.

Cody

idk about disabling them. I think either the damage needs to be cut in half(or more) or do what they did for BE, increase the cost.

krim

Its not about liking aoe spam fest.. Its about giving yourself the best chance of winning. Using what is available to you in the game to defeat your opponents. The problem is you not being able to over come a simple move or tactic by a coordinated group. In a game where large player battles are the norm... wouldnt a move that hits multiple people be a wise choice?

Cody

krim wrote: »

Its not about liking aoe spam fest.. Its about giving yourself the best chance of winning. Using what is available to you in the game to defeat your opponents. The problem is you not being able to over come a simple move or tactic by a coordinated group. In a game where large player battles are the norm... wouldnt a move that hits multiple people be a wise choice?

you should have seen it back when the keep guards where lvl 50. People would do AOE spam trains thru keeps, without stopping, capping them in mere seconds. these people were ALWAYS VR10 as well(power grinded and exploited to it in just a few days) stuff like that is why ppl want impulse nerfed to the ground.

Xsorus

Bashev wrote: »

Title says all. I would like a campaign where all AoE dps skills are disabled. The only AoE damage should be from siege weapons. Oil should be reworked so you cannot be able to set it up everywhere you want.

Currently AoE spells require less skills from the players. You do not have to target anyone you just spam the skills.

Another option for AoE skills can be all stamina based ones. Because using them you lose stamina and that leads to less survivability.

If you do not like this campaign you can just chose a normal one.

Before you start saying that I am single dps NB I will tell you that I am VR12 DK. Not everybody likes the AoE spam fest.

that'd be odd in terms of gameplay, Sheer Numbers of course would win the day, as you'd have no way to kill the opposing side fast enough.

Strange as it sounds, as i'm one of those people who believe AoE caps should flat out be removed, i'd actually want to see this type of campaign. Just because its not been done before in any game.

indytims_ESO

Don't sheer numbers win the day anyway? If we have 20 AOErs and you only have 10... Does AOE damage really help 'level' the playing field?

Or is it just a cheap and easy way for people to spam-damage multiple foes?

I think a campaign like the OP mentioned would be quite interesting. Or, if not the complete removal of AOE abilities, perhaps a campaign where AOE damage to other players is severely limited (25-50%).

Xsorus

indytims_ESO wrote: »

Don't sheer numbers win the day anyway? If we have 20 AOErs and you only have 10... Does AOE damage really help 'level' the playing field?

Or is it just a cheap and easy way for people to spam-damage multiple foes?

I think a campaign like the OP mentioned would be quite interesting. Or, if not the complete removal of AOE abilities, perhaps a campaign where AOE damage to other players is severely limited (25-50%).

Right now with the AOE cap in place, yes 20 people aoeing vs 10 people aoeing with similar setups the 20 will always win.

It becomes a little bit different though if for example you have 10 people aoeing vs 20 people who are primary single target specs, the 20 will lose usually.

So Numbers don't always win.

Halrloprillalar

It's not just the numbers, it's strategy.

One zerg of 10 running into a zerg of 20 spamming impulse, sure the 10 will lose.
But that is the dumbest possible thing you could do in that scenario.

Rylana

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

It's not just the numbers, it's strategy.

One zerg of 10 running into a zerg of 20 spamming impulse, sure the 10 will lose.
But that is the dumbest possible thing you could do in that scenario.

Why we did it, and succeeded

Although there might have been a negate in there, and stacking, and oil, and some other stuff.

Infraction

AOE is not the big issue its just what is on the death recap.

The things that don't show up on the recap is what makes the aoe groups possible(immovable, barrier, bone shield, purge, retreating maneuvers, things like that)

hasselhoffman

Welcome to Cyrodil.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Welcome to balance fail.

pitdemon_ESO

I ditched the zerg and went to a pure gank/small unit fighting style due to the FPS issues these last weeks and can honestly say that I don't miss the AE nutcup one bit.

I actually AM a nightblade, but I see all classes doing ganks/guerrilla warfare. (My favorite duo to fight are a DK/ vamp Templar on the AD side)

Lowbei

geez... so many "waaah i died, nerf what killed me" threads on here.

if you died to aoes, then you should have had better positioning.

Lava_Croft

This must be one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen so far on these forums.

kijima

I'd like to play in a PvP arena where you are invincible.

Bashev

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This must be one of the most ridiculous ideas I've seen so far on these forums.

Of course it is. Otherwise people who group and use AoE should fight only other AoE groups and this is not free AP. Then the chance to win will be 50/50. Now the AoE groups take advantage of the fact that most of the people just don't want to play only with AoE and kill them easily.

Lowbei wrote: »

geez... so many "waaah i died, nerf what killed me" threads on here.

if you died to aoes, then you should have had better positioning.

Sometimes if I want to help my faction to defend a fort I cannot chose my positions strategically.

apostate9

Bashev wrote: »

Title says all. I would like a campaign where all AoE dps skills are disabled. The only AoE damage should be from siege weapons. Oil should be reworked so you cannot be able to set it up everywhere you want.

Currently AoE spells require less skills from the players. You do not have to target anyone you just spam the skills.

Another option for AoE skills can be all stamina based ones. Because using them you lose stamina and that leads to less survivability.

If you do not like this campaign you can just chose a normal one.

Before you start saying that I am single dps NB I will tell you that I am VR12 DK. Not everybody likes the AoE spam fest.

No.

yelloweyedemon

Small scale PvP is coming soon.

Also you have the option of avoiding the zergbabies and look/join small scale PvP groups, where player skill actually matters.

Bashev

Why all of you assume that any large scale pvp should be based on AoE?

SBR_QuorTek

Personally I think going somewhere and not being able to use your skills is in no way evolution but taking several steps back.

What about saying... remove all heals from PvP.... since most of it is AOE based..

Just some thoughts.... what about siege offense/defense weapons?

Do not get me wrong I see all kinds of types of damage in PvP, both AOE and Single target.. and asking for taking something away is just silly... rather add more of everything including more stuff to do in cyrodiil...

Since the ancient days of war Area of Effect weaponry has been used or invented... would move us back to the caveman state if taking it away.. where we stand 1v1 against each other hitting each other with a club to see which one will die first and which one over time after injuries done to the head.

Edit:
AoE lesser AoE depends alot on the situation as well.

eliisra

AoE is sadly crucial in large scale PvP and PvE with loads of adds. Main reason is the clunky and flawed targeting system in ESO. Skills that doesn't require any specific targeting will always have a huge advantage.

Example: There are 10 dead enemies on the ground, 10 alive ones, 15 allies and a few pets. Everyone looks about the same in ESO, we dont have any colourful or unique outfits. Than something or someone specific in that clusterblob needs to die. What to do?

You need to use mouse pointer and search around, be very accurate, find the perfect angle, hope no one runs in front of you, until you finally have it(or him)on target, than keep hitting tab to lock on. That can take many seconds, especially in PvP, half the time it's not even working. You end up targeting someone's corpse, nothing or what ever random is passing by. Than add lag, fps drops and skills not even going of.

If they gave us more control over ST targeting, I would be all for making AoE less effective.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

If they give us such campaign I will prepay sub for maximum duration in an instant!

I am sick of those brain off mode AOE "superior force and tacticians".

I would gladly play with "nooblets" and "crybabies" like myself in a campaign with no AOE except siege.

I even thik it should be very easy to implement and test if there is enough players who wouod really enjoy this kind of PvP. If it fails after a month then we would have to accept that majority likes AOE zerg fest.

Bashev

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

If they give us such campaign I will prepay sub for maximum duration in an instant!

I am sick of those brain off mode AOE "superior force and tacticians".

I would gladly play with "nooblets" and "crybabies" like myself in a campaign with no AOE except siege.

I even thik it should be very easy to implement and test if there is enough players who wouod really enjoy this kind of PvP. If it fails after a month then we would have to accept that majority likes AOE zerg fest.

I created this discussion to check how many players are annoyed form the AoE play-style. If ZoS manage to give us a test campaign it will be super. Most AoE players are so much against such campaigns because if a campaign like this exists all single target style players will be there and AoE groups should fight each other. They won't have free ap from players like us.

SBR_QuorTek

Bashev wrote: »

If they give us such campaign I will prepay sub for maximum duration in an instant!

I am sick of those brain off mode AOE "superior force and tacticians".

I would gladly play with "nooblets" and "crybabies" like myself in a campaign with no AOE except siege.

You have a problem with this though, some classes rely highly on AOE, eg. healers, DK's not just for the damage thing.. but also other stuff that would make sense.

Not being able to cope with AOE and Single Target in same campaign and the joke is on one self... mostly due to not being able to interact with everything in bound... and also the difficulty for the developers to balance it down to something alike it.... and it would hurt alot of classes and ways of doing stuff alot.


You pick your fight, you either pay dearly for your choice or get out from it as a winner.

If new to it... take your time... everyone dies alot when pvping and not really onto what it is about... but it is a learning courve... and does not mean it all have to be zerg balls... or siege trains... or whichever but an opportunity to be creative.

Edit:
It would be siege wars instead then...