(EU) ZaDrots guild (EP) invites DC and AD to participate in GvG wars.

NekOnOkO

Hey there. I don't know if there are any RvR-oriented guilds left in this game (all we are aware of have either quit or inactive), but if there are, we'd like to invite them for friendly GvG fights (like in Warhammer Online or GW2). To participate, just:
1. Contact @fanfaron ingame to discuss any details and generally arrange the date\time\campaign or @Lindala for general info;
2. Choose date\time\campaign;
3. Bring the discussed number of players from your guild or alliance (anything from 18 to 24 will do, i guess);
4. Bring observers and fans;
5. Have fun.
The rules are simple:
1. BO5, BO7 or BO9 by agreement;
2. Open field battles, no crouching (because, you know, scouting for each other for 40 minutes is not that fun);
3. No forward camp resurrections during the round (you can res after the fight is over, ofc);
4. No third party resses;
5. No cheating or exploiting obviously.
6. No trashtalking, teabagging, etc.

Here is the video of our yesterday's GvG against IDDQD guild of Aldmeri Dominion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKORQyOdX0E

makkon

here is another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4vam7pcgNA

Lava_Croft

Kris likes!

nolleo

me want moer!!

silvestru_liviueb17_ESO

Good initiative! Hope more guilds will go on! Keep vids coming guys!

Mojomonkeyman

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

KDSProm

Nice initiative and nice fights as well

I'm going In Vacation till 15 of July but after that we might take you up on that offer if we still have a decent amount of players.

/salute

Major Prom
KDS - TESO Chapter CO
DEYS Commander

makkon

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

if you think it is so easy, feel free to pm @fanfaron.
you and your 23 friends are welcome to zergy no skill aoe spam gvg

NekOnOkO

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

There are duelling clubs\guilds for displaying personal skill. Move on.

KDSProm wrote: »

Nice initiative and nice fights as well

I'm going In Vacation till 15 of July but after that we might take you up on that offer if we still have a decent amount of players.

/salute

Major Prom
KDS - TESO Chapter CO
DEYS Commander

Hey. I've seen your guild in Darkfall: Unholy Wars (they've made the game awesome in 2014 all of a sudden). You are very welcome!

Mojomonkeyman

makkon wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

if you think it is so easy, feel free to pm @fanfaron.
you and your 23 friends are welcome to zergy no skill aoe spam gvg

Nice try. Why would I join what I consider void of skill and fun? You guys were pretty mediocre in gw2, why would that have changed here? TeamQ was the real deal in gw2, not that lousy pvt cyclejerk called GvG...

Anyways, didn`t want to offend anyone, it just was an honest question as in "why don`t you make it more skill- than numberbased?"

Regards

NekOnOkO

Can't comment on GW2 part, but from the sidelines you look rather (butt)hurt.

Fanfaron

Hello.
Please, stop any kind of flame here, we was not chest-trumpets at GW2 and we are not here.
Different ppl love different type of playing this game, we love "no skill aoe zerg fights with castles" and we love fighting against decent groups or guilds.
Anyone who loves same type of playing, can join it.
Anyone who did not - just join duel club

Sorry for bad English.

Mojomonkeyman

NekOnOkO wrote: »

Can't comment on GW2 part, but from the sidelines you look rather (butt)hurt.

Huh? You might wanna see a doctor check your eyes. I just cant understand how anyone would make a video of 50 people zerging and call it skillful "GvG". Skilled competition would be 3on3 or 5on5. And easier to watch as well.

I actually like ZDs somewhat. They showed great sportsmanship in GW2 and a nice attitude on the forums.

Thats all.

Edit: Apologies, Fanfaron, you are right.

Fanfaron

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Huh? You might wanna see a doctor check your eyes. I just cant understand how anyone would make a video of 50 people zerging and call it skillful "GvG". Skilled competition would be 3on3 or 5on5. And easier to watch as well.

I actually like ZDs somewhat. They showed great sportsmanship in GW2 and a nice attitude on the forums.

Thats all.

Did we call it "skilled"?
No, we did not.

Just another "no skill aoe zergfest" for sure

makkon

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Nice try. Why would I join what I consider void of skill and fun? You guys were pretty mediocre in gw2

never played GW2 (and GW1), so cant counter argue. I am from Darkfall

silvestru_liviueb17_ESO

If they were mediocre in gw2 then some here played gw1 or else...

NekOnOkO

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Huh? You might wanna see a doctor check your eyes. I just cant understand how anyone would make a video of 50 people zerging and call it skillful "GvG".

I'd like to return your advice regarding doctor examination, since i can't find any posts from my guildmates or myself, claming our GvG to be "skillful".

nolleo

damned be ye impulse spammers /ragyrage

nolleo

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

guz we like id dat way

*stupid soccer 11x11 zerging crap, 2x2 would be the real thing

Mojomonkeyman

Yeah, man, so much ae spamming and stacking in soccer... Great analogy.

By the way, you guys are late to the party. I already apologized since Fanfaron hit the nail on the head with pointing out, that as long as you guys have fun, it doesnt matter what others think.

I just wish there would be more small scale vids around, where it was actually possible to differentiate amazing play from spamming.

Best regards

nolleo

yeh, women olso think team sport is just running around with a ball
sry, my doctor told me not to hold stuff inside

KDSProm

1v1 is played one way
3v3 or 5v5 is played another way
20v20 or 40v40 is played yet another way

They are all options and enjoying one type or another is just a matter of taste but they all require a certain type of skill and they are all easy to play yet not so easy to master.

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@Makkon - DF is just... DF - Love it and hate it the same time - I never had so confused feelings about a game for such a long time.

nolleo

KDSProm wrote: »

true story

amen bro amen!

Mojomonkeyman

KDSProm wrote: »

1v1 is played one way
3v3 or 5v5 is played another way
20v20 or 40v40 is played yet another way

They are all options and enjoying one type or another is just a matter of taste but they all require a certain type of skill and they are all easy to play yet not so easy to master.

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@Makkon - DF is just... DF - Love it and hate it the same time - I never had so confused feelings about a game for such a long time.

It`s a simple matter of math, that the margin for individual error is higher the higher the number of participants gets.

A successful 1on1 player can without any doubt be equally successful in any other setting, because he already mastered his individual performance, he is used to give 100%, to do complete every task with his individual skills. It just gets easier the more people are involved, since more people carry the weight.

If one out of 25 is just giving 90%, not 100%, it will not have the same effect as if the person would be alone, the 10% missing would be far more obvious and affecting to the outcome.

Additionally there are several actual psychological studies (regarding team performance in sports, job and so on) that proof, that people feel less motivated to give 100% as soon as they belong to a team, because they acclimate to the average output of the team and adapt. Means, an outlier 110% performer (solo) will probably adapt to the 100% performance of the team, because there is just no need to perform better.

This doesn`t go the same way when a former large team player tries to 1on1. There is no margin for error anymore that can be balanced by other team members.

So, in conclusion it is indeed a fact, that the requirements/demands to the individual participants skill increases the lower the number of participants gets.

All theory of course, but the basic principle should be obvious to anyone.

Anyways, have fun, zerging or not.

Sakulos

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

KDSProm wrote: »

1v1 is played one way
3v3 or 5v5 is played another way
20v20 or 40v40 is played yet another way

They are all options and enjoying one type or another is just a matter of taste but they all require a certain type of skill and they are all easy to play yet not so easy to master.

----
@Makkon - DF is just... DF - Love it and hate it the same time - I never had so confused feelings about a game for such a long time.

It`s a simple matter of math, that the margin for individual error is higher the higher the number of participants gets.

A successful 1on1 player can without any doubt be equally successful in any other setting, because he already mastered his individual performance, he is used to give 100%, to do complete every task with his individual skills. It just gets easier the more people are involved, since more people carry the weight.

If one out of 25 is just giving 90%, not 100%, it will not have the same effect as if the person would be alone, the 10% missing would be far more obvious and affecting to the outcome.

Additionally there are several actual psychological studies (regarding team performance in sports, job and so on) that proof, that people feel less motivated to give 100% as soon as they belong to a team, because they acclimate to the average output of the team and adapt. Means, an outlier 110% performer (solo) will probably adapt to the 100% performance of the team, because there is just no need to perform better.

This doesn`t go the same way when a former large team player tries to 1on1. There is no margin for error anymore that can be balanced by other team members.

So, in conclusion it is indeed a fact, that the requirements/demands to the individual participants skill increases the lower the number of participants gets.

All theory of course, but the basic principle should be obvious to anyone.

Anyways, have fun, zerging or not.

If you can push your team to the limits, and motivate them to work on thier 110% you are the one who wins, and that is a matter of certain skill.
GvG is different pair of shoes so it cannot be evaluated the same as 1 vs 1. Because when you fight against each other in 24 vs 24 format, whole team matters. This format most certainly deliver competition on a community and organizational level. You cannot say ZDS fail in that matter, nor IDDQD because in second round they fought very well. If you cannot get group of player playing together on that level I think you can keep your great anylisis to yourself.

Respect for both ZDS and IDDQD. Im from Royal Legion (polish pvp guild) we will surely try to clash swords with you guys at some point.

makkon

actually our group never zerging as alot of ppl mention here. we always working hard to find good fight with equal raid or just jump in huge random zerg and in 10-30 mins whole enemy map summoned to us.
we playing on Bloodthorn mostly coz this realm are full of DC and often full of AD.
usually our battles end in huge lags or after half raid are disconnected (not fun, but alot of fun we get before enemy critical mass has been reached)

atm we can bring 4-5 raids every eu prime time (gmt+4) and our main goal is raid on raid battles. if we can't bring so much - probably its time to 1v1 or 5v5 etc.

also, as you can see on vids, not for every1 it is so easy to spam impulse to win (we are not using impulse to be clear). I can conclude - some skill is required for 24v24 as well as for 1v1. it is just another expirience

nolleo

Mojomonkeyman, u r missing a hell a lot of important features in you analysis. if one is a 100% performance individualist he is the one who dies 1st in raid and doesn`t fit. zerg is a bunch of such mavericks, while guild raid is a single high performance organism with a leader-head and maximum output of each unit . and this organisms` skill is teamwork. and teamwork means your individual skill should be used not only for your own profit (1 person), but for the profit of X ppl.

as we say "don`t mix cutlets and flies in one"

p.s. Sakulos, thnx for the support and looking forward to swing some aoe with u guys!;)

Gisgo

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Why do you make your GvGs a zergy ae spamfest? Make it 3v3 or such to show your skills, rest is just... zerging?

Why dont you make your 3vs3 skilled video and post it instead of being an idiot in someone else's thread?

At least those guys are organizing themselves what most are demanding.

Fanfaron

stand up @ fight

NekOnOkO

Up. Still not a single guild interested. This **** game has no RvR-community at all (at EU megaserver, at least).

Krentar_RNX

This isnt Guild Wars 2. You wont find easily large guilds that run 4/6 full groups. The game doesnt require those kind of numbers to be effective not like in gw2 and you can find more frequenly challenging fights running with 1/10 players than with 20.