Racial Motif's

PriorityBalle

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fromtesonlineb16_ESO

LMAO, I've not SEEN a purple recipe since the nerfbat hit the containters, and likewise I've never seen any of the non-starting race Motifs, EVER and only seen a couple of the common one since the nerfbat strike.

Stop being greedy and wanting to stop others doing what you were able to do.

PriorityBalle

Purple recipes are so rare ofc they dont spawn, but racial motif's drop like hooker's underwear when Charlie Sheen is near, it's stupid. I allready have all motifs so i stopped looking for them, but occationally i find some when im just opening randomn containers, just this week ive found 3 Ancient elf and 1 Daedric on my ALT while questing.

If you cant find any motif's its because your not looking for them, and they didnt nerf them they essentially buffed them since Containers now refill when relogging so people are now able to farm them Again.

twev

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Purple recipes are so rare ofc they dont spawn, but racial motif's drop like hooker's underwear when Charlie Sheen is near, it's stupid. I allready have all motifs so i stopped looking for them, but occationally i find some when im just opening randomn containers, just this week ive found 3 Ancient elf and 1 Daedric on my ALT while questing.

If you cant find any motif's its because your not looking for them, and they didnt nerf them they essentially buffed them since Containers now refill when relogging so people are now able to farm them Again.

2 of my 'toons are gatherers, one does B.S. and Provisioning, the other does Alchemy, Enchanting, and Provisioning.
They wander all over the place in whatever zone they're in at the time, and hit towns and banks very often as they pick up ore and flowers/runes and wood, as well as opening chests containers and getting into fistfights with every badguy they can beat which leads to full inventories of battlefield pickups as well.
The point is - they fill up a lot and need to come to banks in towns to empty their pocketses.
They open every box/crate/backpack/desk/dresser/cabinet they find, and it's their job to find them.

Explain to me how I ought to be 'looking' for stuff differently than I already am, and how, given the above text, "If you cant find any motif's its because your not looking for them," can apply to my finding one level 20 blue recipe weeks ago, but nothing since, since the mechanism is exactly the same?



Edit: changed word.

Vuron

twev wrote: »

Explain to me how I ought to be 'looking' for stuff differently than I already am, and how, given the above text, "If you cant find any motif's its because your not looking for them," can apply to my finding one level 20 blue recipe weeks ago, but nothing since, since the mechanism is exactly the same?

Because there is a difference between "finding" and "farming". You can adventure around like you do and go in to random buildings to open the 1-2 containers that they have. Or, you can "farm" for them by finding the most optimal locations and making sure you run through them whenever you can. The single biggest difference is the volume of containers that you open. If I find a group of 3 buildings that are close together and have 20+ containers each than I will be opening many more containers than someone just opening containers as they find them. If there is a 1% chance of finding a motif, than I will be getting one every 1.5 runs which might take 10 minutes. How long does it take to over 100 containers if you're just adventuring around and going in random buildings.

It's just a matter of play style and purpose.

PriorityBalle

Precisely Vuron, i dont think there is any problem with the drop rate, i just think that when you relog the Containers should NOT be refilled so that people can farm hundreds of motif's, I know a guy who has 2 alt's thats only carrying 10-14 motif's and its stupid that one guy is able to farm over 120 motifs ... Zenimax just scared to Loose theyre precious relog farmers Again.

Racial motif 1-9 drop in your level 1-50 zone
Racial Motif 10-11-12 drop in VR1-5
racial Motif 10-13-14 drop in VR6-10

They only drop in certain container's such as Vase, Cupboard,trunk,warddrobe and chest. People are logging out and logging in to increase theyre chances of finding motifs, people in the high VR tier know this and is obviously abusing it, it's no coinsidence that the Price on for example Ancient elf and Daedric dropped more than 100k in one day when the Craglorn patch arrived. Motif's should not be a way for high leveled VR players to finance theyre gear or polish theyre online ego.

Tarukmockto

I've said it before in another thread, and I'll say it again. Motifs should be bind on pickup. Period. No farming for gold. No price gouging. No ***. You find one, Great! You don't, oh well keep looking.

I open everything I come across, just like Twev does. I don't farm containers for anything. I have a game to play, and it's NOT farm the containers like a bot.

I find about 1 basic motif a week and 6 or 8 green recipes a day. Mostly I just vendor them, because no one really wants them anymore. I find a couple of blue recipes a week, and sell them in chat if they're duplicates. I've never found a purple recipe at all. One of my guildies gave me a lvl 35 purple he looted, but that's the only one I have.

I think the drop rate on rare motifs is much lower than 1% (probably more like 0.01%), but it's okay the way it is. Rares should be rare. The problem is they lose this 'rareness' because they can be sold or traded. BOPU is the only real solution.

Twev: keep looking (not farming), you'll find them eventually. This game isn't a sprint to get it over with, it's a marathon to be enjoyed.

Nordoceltic

Or they could just start banning these people who are abusing the system. Kick them for a week on first offence, perma-ban them on the 3rd attempt.

Inspecting the server logs its should be pretty easy to sort out who is crashing to desktop and who is purposefully logging out. You could even easily program the client to flag the log when the user clicked the logout button...

I HAVE to imagine that login spam is grinding their servers down too. Login verification are just that much more work the cpu's have to do.

Seriously most of this game's problems could be solved with the liberal application of the ban hammer to kick the exploiters and jerks out.

Alephen

starting this new thread every week, i see. are you hoping the devs will not notice it is the same person pushing the same thing every time? keep trying, think of how much gold you can make if your scam works.

and why the hell are people complaining in the forums that people arent playing the game. guess what, you are in the forums instead of playing the game. banhammer! OMG, someone tabbed out to google something, ban them, they arent playing the game! is it truly a request to stop farming? craglorn trials on a 1 week timer, since people are farming gear there to resell? caps on pvp points gained, since people are farming points?

Nordoceltic wrote: »

Seriously most of this game's problems could be solved with the liberal application of the ban hammer to kick the exploiters and jerks out.

they took it out, so you could argue it was not intended. EXCEPT then the put it back in. so calling this an exploit is patently ridiculous. but i agree, if they banned everyone there would not be one problem with the game, no bugs, no loading screen locks, no lag, no server maintainance.

PriorityBalle wrote: »

They only drop in certain container's such as Vase, Cupboard,trunk,warddrobe and chest. People are logging out and logging in to increase theyre chances of finding motifs, people in the high VR tier know this and is obviously abusing it, it's no coinsidence that the Price on for example Ancient elf and Daedric dropped more than 100k in one day when the Craglorn patch arrived. Motif's should not be a way for high leveled VR players to finance theyre gear or polish theyre online ego.

urns, backpacks, desks as well. and as for the price gouging. we see someone wanting relogging stopped so (s)he can price gouge. that is balles motivation: to be able to snatch up motifs from people on the cheap then resell them for 100k more than current prices. cheap prices benefit people who have high level crafters but not 50++ zone toons, those that dont play much, and thus dont want to farm motifs or gold for them. cant have that , can we?

Tarukmockto wrote: »

I've said it before in another thread, and I'll say it again. Motifs should be bind on pickup. Period. No farming for gold. No price gouging. No ***. You find one, Great! You don't, oh well keep looking.

i wont argue against this. want bop. ok. but the lack of bop was a design choice. it would seem odd if motifs were bop, but the best gear in game is tradable. so to stop all these bad behaviours, make everything BOP? after all people would commit all these acts on gear, potions, tempers, etc?

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Purple recipes are so rare ofc they dont spawn, but racial motif's drop like hooker's underwear when Charlie Sheen is near, it's stupid.

since when has this game started making purple drops less common than blue drops? next thing you know greens will be even more common! /sarcasm off

simply a red herring. purple recipe drop rates are completely irrelevant to relog farming motifs discussion. mind you an end to relogging would make purple recipes rarer.

UrQuan

Nordoceltic wrote: »

Inspecting the server logs its should be pretty easy to sort out who is crashing to desktop and who is purposefully logging out. You could even easily program the client to flag the log when the user clicked the logout button...

The problem with this is that because of the way they've set up various aspects of the game (inventory management, hirelings, and horse feedings are the major ones that come to mind) an awful lot of people (including myself) spend an awful lot of time logging in and out of their alts every day just to manage everything. You'd have to have a way to avoid flagging those people.

PriorityBalle

They cant ban people because the current state of the drop rate is how is intented, It's not an exploit.

Making Motif's or recipe's BOP is probably the most stupid idea ive ever heard, When you find the same recipe/motif twice you can only sell it to a vendor for 5 g ...

Tarukmockto

Making Motif's BOP is probably the most clever idea I've ever heard, When you find the same motif twice you can only sell it to a vendor for 5 g ...

There, fixed.

Perfect! No getting rich off the misfortune of others or the RNG!
and for the record, I never said anything about making recipes BOP.

Natjur

Updated the coloring of racial motif books so that their color better represents their rarity:
Playable race motifs (except Imperial) are blue.
NPC race motifs (Primal, Barbarian, Ancient Elf, and Daedric) are purple.
The Imperial racial motif is gold.

That would explain while Imperial sells so well

PriorityBalle

Alephen idk why youre so judgmental when you dont want it changed so you can sit and Watch tv while relog farming motifs as you wrote in another thread.

And Alephen Again once Again with an incorrect assumption claiming that im starting a new thread about this every week and im doing this for my own personal gain, hilarious.

Motif's being BOP is in my mind the worst idea ive heard about motif adjustment so far and idk why you would quote me and replace the Word stupid with clever.

This is the second thread ive made about Racial Motif drop rate and it will probably be the last, i just wanted to see other peoples opinion.

And yes no matter how you put it Alephen i think it should be changed, you cannot persuade me otherwise.

Alephen

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Alephen idk why youre so judgmental when you dont want it changed so you can sit and Watch tv while relog farming motifs as you wrote in another thread.

And Alephen Again once Again with an incorrect assumption claiming that im starting a new thread about this every week and im doing this for my own personal gain, hilarious.

Motif's being BOP is in my mind the worst idea ive heard about motif adjustment so far and idk why you would quote me and replace the Word stupid with clever.

This is the second thread ive made about Racial Motif drop rate and it will probably be the last, i just wanted to see other peoples opinion.

And yes no matter how you put it Alephen i think it should be changed, you cannot persuade me otherwise.

there is nothing different from the last thread to this one, no purpose to a new one.

there was no assumptions to my statement, anyone can see your profile and see this is your only topic of conversation. your second substantively same thesis in your only 2 threads.

of course you think it should be changed, you will make alot of money if it is. i do not intend to persuade you, any more than i expect to persuade romney that investment bankers should not be taxed as though they are risking their own money.

mostly it is the 'i dont want to play that way, so they shouldnt be able to either' attitude that brings my comments. as i said about a month ago, the cat is out of the bag on this. i got mine, this change wouldnt hurt me, so why am i against this? because it screws over new players and people that play only a few hours a few days a week. price gougers and dupers got rich when they dropped the relog. and they would again.

DeLindsay

This guy again. NO, ZoS shouldn't re-nerf the spawn rates just because YOU want to keep making absurd money selling motifs, bye bye.

Alephen

Tarukmockto wrote: »

Making Motif's BOP is probably the most clever idea I've ever heard, When you find the same motif twice you can only sell it to a vendor for 5 g ...

There, fixed.

Perfect! No getting rich off the misfortune of others or the RNG!
and for the record, I never said anything about making recipes BOP.

the reasons you have stated for making motifs bop apply equally to gear and recipe drops, even tempers. why, in your mind, is farming motifs a bad idea, but farming gear or recipes in the exact same manner better or even different?

all are subject to the RNG. spamming is equally annoying regardless of what is spammed, (and a function of no global market, not the items being sold.) people will price gouge on the other items. people will farm/buy gold for the other items. so all the horrible things that are your stated purpose for bop on motifs would exist equally without bop on the other things as well.

PriorityBalle

xD Murricans

I DONT want them to nerf the drop rate , I DONT mind people farming motifs or any other gear, removing the container respawn is all I want, and yes I wanna make money of motifs and yes that's why I want them to do this obviously. I can whine all about this I want and you can whine about me whining about that Yes I probably am a greedy *** that cant settle with 2.400 k in my bank but that's my problem not yours. This thread is about Motif's not about my or anyone else reasons for wanting anything changed.

And well said Alephen

Alephen wrote: »

the reasons you have stated for making motifs bop apply equally to gear and recipe drops, even tempers. why, in your mind, is farming motifs a bad idea, but farming gear or recipes in the exact same manner better or even different?

all are subject to the RNG. spamming is equally annoying regardless of what is spammed, (and a function of no global market, not the items being sold.) people will price gouge on the other items. people will farm/buy gold for the other items. so all the horrible things that are your stated purpose for bop on motifs would exist equally without bop on the other things as well.

AlexDougherty

DeLindsay wrote: »

This guy again. NO, ZoS shouldn't re-nerf the spawn rates just because YOU want to keep making absurd money selling motifs, bye bye.

Agreed, the Motif drop rate is fine, the only people finding ridiculous amounts are people who are deliberately farming them, and nothing will stop those guys.

I'm not finding tons of them, in fact I still lack Nordic and Redguard Motifs let alone the rarer ones. Mainly because I'm not spending two to three hours looking for them, I'm playing the game. I'm also not buying them, and eventually people will stop selling them in the beginner zones, because everyone will know they drop later anyway.

The only reasons for people to want it to go back are they either want to sell them for obscene amounts or they don't want everyone getting the motifs. My reply is the same to both groups, and unfortunately against forum rules.

PriorityBalle

re-nerf ? They never buffed it, and why does all the "normal" players have so much against removing the Container respawn when relogging if youre not farming motifs by doing so ?

Vuron

PriorityBalle wrote: »

re-nerf ? They never buffed it, and why does all the "normal" players have so much against removing the Container respawn when relogging if youre not farming motifs by doing so ?

You don't have to relog to get the containers to respawn. Simply using a wayshine to another zone and coming back also works.

This change wouldn't really stop farming. I could farm one zone, wayshrine to another and farm it, move to another and farm it, and repeat. It may slow down farming slightly, but that's all it would do.

To the people suggesting Bind on Pickup... no. This is a horrible mechanic and shouldn't exist in the game. Do you know how frustrating and disheartening it is to farm for a specific piece of armor or weapon and have it drop multiple times, but its the others in your group that are getting it? What's even worse is when it's something they can't even use and just have to sell it as vendor trash or deconstruct it. What possible sense does that make?

It would be the same with motifs or even purple recipes. Great, I just found this item that everyone else in the game wants but I guess I'll vendor it for 7 gold.... sounds wonderful.

PriorityBalle

The thing you describe with wayshrines is not true. No idea where you have that information.

Mujuro

This may all be OBE with Monday's patch (the one that makes the rare motifs purple/gold) ... a guildie spent over 2 hours on PTS attempting to farm in one of the current hotspots and got none whatsoever.

PriorityBalle

That sounds like a great idea from Zenimax side, but are you sure theyre gonna do this, They might just be testing something, cant wait for the whiners though.

mcfaen

Once a box is opened it should never close again for you. I have bern to some places that are filled with players farming motifs and not really playing this game. It is way too easy to get rare motifs just by relogging and looting boxes again and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WKW_BnZac

PriorityBalle

100 % agreed, Im not gonna put any lid on joy if they make these Racial motif changes, that way i dont have to worry if some low life motif relog farmer is gonna have more gold than me, need to point out that i barely made any gold selling motif's cause theyre so boring to farm.

I would sell my mother if Zenimax make these Motif changes ^.^

ZoM_Head

PriorityBalle wrote: »

Precisely Vuron, i dont think there is any problem with the drop rate, i just think that when you relog the Containers should NOT be refilled so that people can farm hundreds of motif's, I know a guy who has 2 alt's thats only carrying 10-14 motif's and its stupid that one guy is able to farm over 120 motifs ... Zenimax just scared to Loose theyre precious relog farmers Again.

Racial motif 1-9 drop in your level 1-50 zone
Racial Motif 10-11-12 drop in VR1-5
racial Motif 10-13-14 drop in VR6-10

They only drop in certain container's such as Vase, Cupboard,trunk,warddrobe and chest. People are logging out and logging in to increase theyre chances of finding motifs, people in the high VR tier know this and is obviously abusing it, it's no coinsidence that the Price on for example Ancient elf and Daedric dropped more than 100k in one day when the Craglorn patch arrived. Motif's should not be a way for high leveled VR players to finance theyre gear or polish theyre online ego.

Daedric is selling for 20-25K and Ancient Elf is going for as low as 18K yesterday in the zone chat in Veteran Zone 1.

Remember before the patch daedric was asking 350K. Day of the patch is dropped down to 150K (thats 200K off in 24 hours).

DeLindsay

PriorityBalle wrote: »

100 % agreed, Im not gonna put any lid on joy if they make these Racial motif changes, that way i dont have to worry if some low life motif relog farmer is gonna have more gold than me, need to point out that i barely made any gold selling motif's cause theyre so boring to farm.

I would sell my mother if Zenimax make these Motif changes ^.^

And you just summed up why this and other posts like this are complete trollfests. The ONLY reason you want anything done to nerf spawn rates, change relogging spawns, etc is so that YOU can continue making tons of gold.

NOT everyone farms motifs.
NOT everyone has good luck with RNG.
NOT everyone that has a VR main even has any more than 1-9 Motifs.

To change the game mechanics to fit YOU is absurd and a little sad on your part that you have to beg ZoS to make the game easier for you at the expense of others.

AlexDougherty

DeLindsay wrote: »

PriorityBalle wrote: »

100 % agreed, Im not gonna put any lid on joy if they make these Racial motif changes, that way i dont have to worry if some low life motif relog farmer is gonna have more gold than me, need to point out that i barely made any gold selling motif's cause theyre so boring to farm.

I would sell my mother if Zenimax make these Motif changes ^.^

And you just summed up why this and other posts like this are complete trollfests. The ONLY reason you want anything done to nerf spawn rates, change relogging spawns, etc is so that YOU can continue making tons of gold.

NOT everyone farms motifs.
NOT everyone has good luck with RNG.
NOT everyone that has a VR main even has any more than 1-9 Motifs.

To change the game mechanics to fit YOU is absurd and a little sad on your part that you have to beg ZoS to make the game easier for you at the expense of others.

Agreed, my luck is moderately bad with motifs, I have good patches though. And I'ld rather play another game than farm anything. The motif drop rate is fine as it is.

I'm slowly building up my motif portfolio, with each character having a slightly different set, but I should eventually be able to craft just about anything. Key wording is slowly building up my motifs, slowly, if others are doing it fast then demanding that the rate be nerfed, well nerf them first.

Vuron

PriorityBalle wrote: »

The thing you describe with wayshrines is not true. No idea where you have that information.

Of course it's true. You just have to wayshrine to another zone. There is no need to log off to get the containers to reset. I do it constantly.

PriorityBalle

The drop rate is NOT fine atm, When youre able to farm over 10 Motifs in a day and earn 250-350k doing so.

Idc that you think im greedy cause i wanna make gold cause that's who iam.

Im 100 % not trolling im serious about this and doubt that Zenimax choose to change the current state due to my 2 Threads, possibly because they noticed that high tier players are abusing the fact that VR1-10 motif's are farmable and theyre making so much gold scamming people who are unaware that they cant read them before theyre level 40 in Blacksmithing,Clothing and Woodworking.

And I doubt Zenimax main core players are "normal" players who go to forums to whine about motifs, it's more likely hardcore PvE/PvP players theyre aiming to "nerf"