Emperor Farmers - Simple Solution

Dleatherus

Remove 'Former Emperor' status and buffs from anybody that abdicated within 6 hours of claiming the throne

doesn't fix all of them, but sure takes care of most

D.

Kilgorsmudge

I think there should be limit on the amount of the same topics people can start over and over.

Dleatherus

i think valid suggestions, even if they differ to your opinion have a place in a .... FORUM - wow - fancy THAT

and not having seen this suggestion before it merits a thread in my opinion

D.

Mortuum

Not when people are trying to get devs attention about pure exploits, and are trying to make game better then it is now.
Good idea D., agree.
It recently started even in big campaigns, EU Dawnbreaker, working hard to get all keeps, got new Emperor, then zone chat started with ''we now gonna loose a keep dont defend''. Literally 3 minutes later our new Emperor decided it is too hard for him to run hes new office, so he gave up...

Braidas

Former emperor buffs should just be removed and Emperor buffs activated over time. In 90 day campaigns, I think it should take a week to fully unlock all passives.

1nugam1

Attempt #117 'Stop the baaaahd emp farmers' initiated. Let's hope the thread does not get locked like the other 116 (yes, I exaggerate)

Dleatherus

1nugam1 wrote: »

Attempt #117 'Stop the baaaahd emp farmers' initiated. Let's hope the thread does not get locked like the other 116 (yes, I exaggerate)

got locked by emperor farmers trolling in them - they act like jerks in game, they act like jerks on the forums - wonder how they act in real life?

D.

1nugam1

@Dleatherus‌
Probably a whole lot different. One can hope.

Dleatherus

1nugam1 wrote: »

@Dleatherus‌
Probably a whole lot different. One can hope.

yeah - given the love shown here by some of them - one can only hope:

D.

p.s. as a side note it's a shame ZOS doesn't enforce their rules on in game harassment as much as they do on forum trolls

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Anazasi

Simple complete and fair fix with long term game goals and meaning. Remove passive abilities from any player who is not actively an emperor in a campaign. No need to refund skill points just let them work at getting and holding emperor if they want to. If not no worries they can care bear a few more somewhere. If you don't think it can work or be done just look at vamp or wolf skill lines. Happens all the time. Go figure, a deposed exiled emp trying to take back his or her throne.

Magister_Aena

*six hours and five minutes later, second-in-line becomes first-in-line*

Mortuum

Another idea: let them have former emperor passives, ONLY IF they defend their title for X amount of time, and im not talking 5 mins

So, new Emperor, to keep hes passives later, has to be Emperor for lets say 2 weeks, or longer. If they got dethroned, they will have 24 hrs to reclaim Ruby Throne, and stop reset. If they cant do it withing 24 hours, they got nothing, null, nada, zero...

This way people who really care about title and work towards it, will be defending it as much as possible, which leads to better fights for us and sudden disappearance of all exploiters and farmers. Doubt any of them will try to ''farm'' something they have to wait 2(or more) weeks for, and can easy fail.

Also legit Emperors will not get hurt with earlier proposed total removal of passives etc. And before anyone start with ''but we have RL too'', im 99% sure none of legit Emperors is a working father of 5 It simply takes too much time and effort (without exploits) to be possible for casual player who spend 2 hours in Cyrodiil after work. Can be wrong on this one.

Apologize for spelling etc etc, 3 am here and i just returned from pub

Limitless

They would just stay emperor for 6 hours and then leave.
The only real solution is to change the way AP is rewarded.

Mortuum

If they stay as Emperor for 6 hours, then they will get nothing, not even title, that was my point. Only full time Emperor defending the throne will get Emperor title and passives.

Limitless

Mortuum wrote: »

If they stay as Emperor for 6 hours, then they will get nothing, not even title, that was my point. Only full time Emperor defending the throne will get Emperor title and passives.

I was addressing the original post, not yours.

Mortuum wrote: »

Another idea: let them have former emperor passives, ONLY IF they defend their title for X amount of time, and im not talking 5 mins

So, new Emperor, to keep hes passives later, has to be Emperor for lets say 2 weeks, or longer. If they got dethroned, they will have 24 hrs to reclaim Ruby Throne, and stop reset. If they cant do it withing 24 hours, they got nothing, null, nada, zero...

2 weeks? The new campaigns only last a week at max aside from 30 day one.
The zerg is real, holding emperor for 2 weeks is next to impossible.
6 hours is more reasonable than 2 weeks, but I'm not even agreeing with the 6 hour idea either.

Mortuum wrote: »

Also legit Emperors will not get hurt with earlier proposed total removal of passives etc. And before anyone start with ''but we have RL too'', im 99% sure none of legit Emperors is a working father of 5 It simply takes too much time and effort (without exploits) to be possible for casual player who spend 2 hours in Cyrodiil after work. Can be wrong on this one.

Casual Players shouldn't be emperors, it's something only someone who truly PVP's all the time should get.
It's intended to be a competition between everyone in their proper alliance, so of course casual players won't stand a chance to get emperor.
It sucks but it's the truth.

Dleatherus

Limitless wrote: »

Casual Players shouldn't be emperors, it's something only someone who truly PVP's all the time should get.
It's intended to be a competition between everyone in their proper alliance, so of course casual players won't stand a chance to get emperor.
It sucks but it's the truth.

couldn't agree with you more - and hence my OP

The emperor farmers have:

agreed with the enemy alliance as to who's turn it is so that the keeps can be flipped unopposed - no PvP there

arranged 'staged' PvP within their cliques to have 'battles' to rack up the their alliance points, including but not limited to being in a keep that is 'prepped' to go under attack, an enemy hits it once with a siege and they wait 5 minutes for it to go out from under attack status so that they get the 'successful defence' AP - stood outside enemy keep while 'friendly' enemy group jumps off walls - they oil pot them, get 10 kills - enemy rez's runs back out , rinse and repeat

when a keep is under attack they will not only just stand there and do nothing to gain the AP defence bonus, they will grief, harass and exploit in the following manner: harass in zone and /tell, threaten, turn siege weapons around the wrong way, exploit the siege weapon max limit mechanic

should emperors should earn their title through hard dedicated PvP and dedication to their campaign? - yes

these emperor farmers did none of that, and ruined what was a relatively quiet but nonetheless fun campaign for their own selfish gains

D

Starshadw

I'm actually leaning more towards the suggestion I saw in another thread - PvP buffs only being available in Cyrodiil. No Emperor passives in the PvE world.

Your suggestion, unfortunately, likely wouldn't punish many of the farmers - I know it wouldn't punish the ones who farmed on Goldbrand. None of them abdicated. They simply waited until they were deposed, and most of them stuck around long enough to help the faction start to reclaim the throne before they left.

strongoakb14a_ESO

In my opinion the Emperor should get a buff (not skills), as long as they are reigning the buff remains, once a new emperor is crowned it ticks down from 2 hours.

Zenimax can say all they want that they want players to have something to work toward, when you consider whom will almost always exploit to accomplish this it becomes clear the majority of people will never obtain Emperor because of those who will use every under handed tactic/exploit and trick. These people do not deserve emperor when the most they do in a raid is sit in a room behind a crate pouring flaming oils out rapidly over and over. They wait for a siege to happen, make their way there, find out which side is being sieged and then they wait with their two oils set up. They don't assist in defending our keep, they don't defend a farm or mine (they jump in the tower and pour oil at the closed door from the inside). These people only know how to abuse the system, so hey lets reward them.

My constructive proposal for Zenimax:

Rework the Emperor Skill line to be a Rank Based Alliance Skill Line, place it under Alliance like Assault/Support is but based on your Alliance Rank (much like Racial Skills). Then every person who keeps playing and keeping up the good fight can earn those skills/passives.

Another thing is when someone uses one siege weapon they get a cooldown (matching that weapon) so they cant activate another until CD ends. This would give them no reason to run back n forth between two flaming oils. Those who might argue "well in real life you could run back n forth" I answer with this "in real life that burning oil you just poured and filled the room with would burn you up too"

Another point would be if Zeniimax looks at their own numbers (specifically Wabberjack) It is extremely obviously whom we are all talking about, when the top 2 people have 17+ million points and the 3rd is 9 million then the 4th is under a million it becomes obvious two of them are using every exploit, trick and crooked BS tactic possible and the 3rd has learned how they did it and playing catch up. No one side is guilty of this, they all have an obvious EXTREME gap between the top 5 and so it is painfully obvious who the largest offenders are.

Zubba

If it was up to me, I would ban them all. Permanently

Baphomet

Simply make all the passives free when you gain emperorship and remove them again when you loose it.

That will indrectly solve the fundemental problem in Cyrodiil which is that alliances don't actually fight each other but help each other exploiting. I seriously doubt that this is what Zenimax intended, and if they don't want to crack down directly on the culprits, making a small mechanics tweak like this would solve the problem without anyone loosing face.

Agrippa_Invisus

Zubba wrote: »

If it was up to me, I would ban them all. Permanently

Put me in the same corner. Not just for all the farming, but for all the ToS busting unethical behavior I've come to expect from them.

Mortuum

@Limitless, 2 weeks was based on current campaign model, so 90 days, and it was just an example. Of course you are right it makes no sense in 2 weeks campaign. I also did said that Emperor is not for casual players, so yea no need to repeat that. And sorry for misreading your post.

All i meant was as D. said:

''should emperors should earn their title through hard dedicated PvP and dedication to their campaign? - yes''

and it was only an idea, defending throne will for sure create healthy PVP environment for us to enjoy, same as it will create a cool down, which could stop farmers.

It is similar to balance issues:easiest way is just to nerf class, finding a solution which will hurt only exploiters is way harder. My idea is for sure not great, or even good, but maybe if we all start posting ours, Zeni may use it partially instead of, for example, removing Emperor from game or deleting it from all players. Was only reason i posted it, as many players earned it proper way and i will hate to see them loosing it.

Emperor buffs in Cyrodiil only, and also only in campaign in which you got title sounds good too.

Dleatherus

Starshadw wrote: »

I'm actually leaning more towards the suggestion I saw in another thread - PvP buffs only being available in Cyrodiil. No Emperor passives in the PvE world.

Your suggestion, unfortunately, likely wouldn't punish many of the farmers - I know it wouldn't punish the ones who farmed on Goldbrand. None of them abdicated. They simply waited until they were deposed, and most of them stuck around long enough to help the faction start to reclaim the throne before they left.

hrmm - unfortunately your suggestion wouldn't punish ANY of the emperor farmers since many of them 'live' in Cyrodiil to start with and venture out for the Trials etc

D.

Starshadw

Dleatherus wrote: »

hrmm - unfortunately your suggestion wouldn't punish ANY of the emperor farmers since many of them 'live' in Cyrodiil to start with and venture out for the Trials etc

D.

Heh - actually, it would, as the passives would no longer be available for their use in Trials.

But! One of the things I've said on many threads is that I firmly believe that all Emperors should be wiped when the current campaigns end - there's been far too much exploiting and farming. Just wipe it all clean and start fresh. That would effectively reset everything. At the same time, you add in things such as not having Emperor passives outside of PvP, etc. to help discourage and prevent Emperor farming going forward.

Folks who earned the title legitimately will no doubt earn it again, and with better policies in place, those who farmed/exploited will hopefully be dissuaded/prevented from earning it again.

It's not perfect, but it's better than simply doing nothing at all.

Dleatherus

Starshadw wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

hrmm - unfortunately your suggestion wouldn't punish ANY of the emperor farmers since many of them 'live' in Cyrodiil to start with and venture out for the Trials etc

D.

Heh - actually, it would, as the passives would no longer be available for their use in Trials.

But! One of the things I've said on many threads is that I firmly believe that all Emperors should be wiped when the current campaigns end - there's been far too much exploiting and farming. Just wipe it all clean and start fresh. That would effectively reset everything. At the same time, you add in things such as not having Emperor passives outside of PvP, etc. to help discourage and prevent Emperor farming going forward.

Folks who earned the title legitimately will no doubt earn it again, and with better policies in place, those who farmed/exploited will hopefully be dissuaded/prevented from earning it again.

It's not perfect, but it's better than simply doing nothing at all.

yes - this i agree with - even being a former emperor myself who might not ever see the title again, i think that this is a viable suggestion

D.

Starshadw

Dleatherus wrote: »

yes - this i agree with - even being a former emperor myself who might not ever see the title again, i think that this is a viable suggestion

D.

I know, it isn't terribly fair to those who DID earn it fairly - but I honestly don't know of any other way to deal with the problem except a clean slate. A shame, really. Yet another example of "why we can't have nice things" at work - some jerks always come along and ruin it for everyone.

Baphomet

Actually, let all former emperors enjoy their passives for the lenght of whatever campaign they are in. That would kill both emperor farming and still give people incentive enough to put some hard work into getting emperorship. Win-win.

Dekkameron

I can envision the Farmer Emperor now saying...

"Get awf me land!" *waves pitchfork*

Dleatherus

Dekkameron wrote: »

I can envision the Farmer Emperor now saying...

"Get awf me land!" *waves pitchfork*

lol - may the pleasure and benefits of being a farmer emperor be exceeded only by the honor with which they 'earned' it

D.

Mortuum

Or change ''Former Emperor'' to ''Farmer Emperor'' for those who exploited it
Id love to see them displaying their ''hard earned'' title...

Starshadw

Baphomet wrote: »

Actually, let all former emperors enjoy their passives for the lenght of whatever campaign they are in. That would kill both emperor farming and still give people incentive enough to put some hard work into getting emperorship. Win-win.

I believe we need the wipe. After that, I think the Emperor skills and passives - once earned - should only be available in Cyrodiil, and should only be available so long as the Emperor is playing in the same campaign in which he/she earned the Emperorship. No passives if they switch campaigns (unless they re-earn Emperor on the new home campaign), no passives on guest campaigns.