Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze (set) = 60% armor reduction

Suntzu1414

is this correct? do they stack.

since we automatically crit with shadowy disguise (100% critical).
this should be automatic buff. If we follow SD with Surprise Weapon...

thoughts?
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smercgames_ESO

I know they stack somehow because I've used Ransack + Surprise Weapon + Mark Target and each one gave me bigger numbers when stacked but I do not think it's a straight 60% because that would mean if we toss on Mark Target + Surprise attack we negate ALL of their armor. It would be nice if we could get them into negative armor though

yelloweyedemon

smercgames_ESO wrote: »

I know they stack somehow because I've used Ransack + Surprise Weapon + Mark Target and each one gave me bigger numbers when stacked but I do not think it's a straight 60% because that would mean if we toss on Mark Target + Surprise attack we negate ALL of their armor. It would be nice if we could get them into negative armor though

No. Mark target IGNORES 75% of the targets armour. surp attack and night mother's set reduces it by 60%.

It means that we ignore 75% from the remaining 40%

Suntzu1414

Ok. Thank you for your input.

How does Reducing Armor increase DPS?

Is armor a 50% mitigation ? (with full armor) -- saw this somewhere before--

So, as example. If we DPS for 1000 damage
Normal Armor would mitigate this to 500 damage

Now we used our----Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze
-reducing the benefit of armor (500 * 60%) or 300

This would pop our damage up to 800.

Does this seem correct??

thoughts.
st

Rizcarn

Was testing reaper's mark(mark target), ignore 75% of player's Armor and Spell Resistance, with pierce armor(puncture) ,reduces target's Armor and spell resist by 43%. Wasn't seeing a increase in damage beyond mark targets 75%. Even stacking mark target after puncture the increase wasn't that big. Have to wonder what the hard cap for reduction is. Could be 50% like resist and armor for all I know.

Thechemicals

Rizcarn wrote: »

Was testing reaper's mark(mark target), ignore 75% of player's Armor and Spell Resistance, with pierce armor(puncture) ,reduces target's Armor and spell resist by 43%. Wasn't seeing a increase in damage beyond mark targets 75%. Even stacking mark target after puncture the increase wasn't that big. Have to wonder what the hard cap for reduction is. Could be 50% like resist and armor for all I know.

Like reducing into the negatives? The defense cap is 50% and if you reduce a players armor to where he has no mitigation at all then he is at zero. I dont think you can reduce armor that he doesnt have further to make him become susceptible to more damage. Thats like making his skin soft lol.

Rizcarn

Naw, not what I was saying. Was seeing a hard cap on armor reduction. Above 75% was getting no more extra damage and between 43% and 75% the increase was minimal. What the hard cap is I don't know.

Frinkles

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

Ok. Thank you for your input.

How does Reducing Armor increase DPS?

Is armor a 50% mitigation ? (with full armor) -- saw this somewhere before--

So, as example. If we DPS for 1000 damage
Normal Armor would mitigate this to 500 damage

Now we used our----Surprise Weapon + Night Mother's Gaze
-reducing the benefit of armor (500 * 60%) or 300

This would pop our damage up to 800.

Does this seem correct??

thoughts.
st

You are right but the increase isn't as direct nor as massive as you, and I believe we all thought like this at some point... and.. its not a bug Here is the explanation:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/985417/#Comment_
985417

Even if you decrease a target's armor to near 0 you won't be seeing a dps increase greater than 10~% What makes heavy armor tanky is not the armor value but the passives >.<