Dark Cloak in RvR

Piedplat

I seen the bug only in RvR, Dark Cloak dont work if you are near a ennemi player. You cloak and you return visible instantly.

This bug is there since the last patch.

Thanks looking to fix the NB but please try to do not create new one.

aco5712

Yep i agree. Any time you cloak and run into an enemy it removes your cloak instanly. Its impossible to run away from anything because your cloak never works and its impossible to sneak on anything to get a crit off because your cloak never works. Cloak needs to be completely redone and have it remove all DoTs and not break unless you attack. I need my FULL 3s of invis.

Piedplat

Seriouly is really anoying to be not able to clock in combat(I mean when no one does aoe dmg)...

Grim13

It's straight up b r o k e n. Has been from the beginning... Don't worry, though, ZOS are hard at work to make sure NB tooltips to read more accurately.

Dark Cloak tooltip: turns you invisible, removes DoT, but not if you're actually playing

jmoore59

Magelight/innerlight will stop darkcloak. I use it all the time to kill enemy Nightblades to the point that I always have it on at least one bar. I just follow them as they spam darkcloak until dead.

aco5712

but its not even magelight, thats the problem. Had tons of enemies just run into me to reveal me, especially while im in combat with them that didnt have mage light on.

Gilvoth

jmoore59 wrote: »

Magelight/innerlight will stop darkcloak. I use it all the time to kill enemy Nightblades to the point that I always have it on at least one bar. I just follow them as they spam darkcloak until dead.

that should not be able to happen. invisibility is there for us nightblades to escape death, not so u can laugh at us and kill us while we try to defend ourselves.

smercgames_ESO

Did you DoT them prior to going invisible? It's a known issue that your own DoTs cause Dark Cloak to break so if you use Venom Arrow, Blood Craze, Cripple, Agony, maybe that paths (not sure since I don't use them), probably axes bleed.. etc... etc.. Dark Cloak will break on the damage. I tend to forget that when I use Cripple and it screws me over. Hopefully they correct this bug soon.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

There are a few known issues with with Dark Cloak, one of which @smercgames_ESO mentioned above. We're aware and working on getting it fixed. The other, not being able to use it if someone in your group is in combat, is also one we're working on fixing.

Thejollygreenone

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

There are a few known issues with with Dark Cloak, one of which @smercgames_ESO mentioned above. We're aware and working on getting it fixed. The other, not being able to use it if someone in your group is in combat, is also one we're working on fixing.

Awesome to hear, and it's great to see some player-dev contact. Keep up the good work guys, I'll be looking forward to these fixes. ^.^

Shagreth

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

There are a few known issues with with Dark Cloak, one of which @smercgames_ESO mentioned above. We're aware and working on getting it fixed. The other, not being able to use it if someone in your group is in combat, is also one we're working on fixing.

Thank you.

Another bug that I have noticed involves the vampire passive dark stalker & concealed weapon. With these abilities you are moving at 125% speed, however, if you activate dark cloak while already in stealth, after its effect wears off -- the speed from concealed weapon gets removed, so you are moving at dark stalker speed only and have to re-stealth in order to get the buff from concealed.

Selodaoc

Magelight should not see through dark cloak. NB should also have a passive or something to counter magelight. Right now itsx to easy to spot nightbldes, but nightblades have no way to counter spells. A bit unbalanced.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Jessica Folsom, you are awesome!

yelloweyedemon

Selodaoc wrote: »

Magelight should not see through dark cloak. NB should also have a passive or something to counter magelight. Right now itsx to easy to spot nightbldes, but nightblades have no way to counter spells. A bit unbalanced.

Dark cloak/shadowy disguise should grant 3 secs of invisibility. The ability should only break once you deal damage or once the 3 secs are over. No ability should be able to break the skill. No AoE damage, no magelight etc. The cost of the skill is high, it should not be for nothing just because someone uses impulse or magelight...

davidetombab16_ESO

magelight remove dark cloak/shadow disguise invisibility. In the fact 90% of people use magelight and is impossible play a stealth melee. This game is totally broken, combat, skills, class, quest, xp progression, animations, the worst pvp/pve game I ve see.

yelloweyedemon

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

magelight remove dark cloak/shadow disguise invisibility. In the fact 90% of people use magelight and is impossible play a stealth melee

Pretty much... This needs to be fixed.

davidetombab16_ESO

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

magelight remove dark cloak/shadow disguise invisibility. In the fact 90% of people use magelight and is impossible play a stealth melee

Pretty much... This needs to be fixed.

soon XD(probably next year)

smercgames_ESO

davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

magelight remove dark cloak/shadow disguise invisibility. In the fact 90% of people use magelight and is impossible play a stealth melee. This game is totally broken, combat, skills, class, quest, xp progression, animations, the worst pvp/pve game I ve see.

I have no clue where you get this strange number of 90%. I rarely run into people who use it until they notice that I went into hiding and that is fine. We should not have an instant get out of combat free skill like Bolt Escape. As frustrating as it is to get caught that person had to guess where we went and have a skill/potion to counter to it. It would be more frustrating to the other classes if we were able to 100% get away with it if they had no way of stopping it. As is I get away ALOT of the time when I feel like it as long as I haven't blown all my magicka offensively already.

It is actually very easy to play a stealth melee as long as you look for the right situations. If you run into zergs then hell yeah it's impossible to play melee period but pick your spots and you have a weapon swap for a reason. If you want to be an assassin then stay on the outskirts of battle or by the opposite doors or reinforcement paths and know you will not be able to kill every person that passes by.

The issue I do have with magelight is you should not be able to stealth while running it. Hell it should even negate friendly stealth but whatever that is a different discussion. Plus I'm not sure why a ball of light used to see stealth gives you spell crit...

Selodaoc

Almost every mage is using it since it also gives crit chance.

Its probably only that you dont think about it.

Having one skill that renders NBs main skill useless that you can just toggle on is way to powerful.

Xnemesis

Just make Magelight a low cost duration buff.... problem solved and staying solved

yelloweyedemon

Selodaoc wrote: »

Almost every mage is using it since it also gives crit chance.

Its probably only that you dont think about it.

Having one skill that renders NBs main skill useless that you can just toggle on is way to powerful.

Pretty much.. Also the "crit buff" is just a small crit chance.. nothing to worry about.. you know.. only 20%.. Small for every mage to pass...

CapuchinSeven

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Selodaoc wrote: »

Magelight should not see through dark cloak. NB should also have a passive or something to counter magelight. Right now itsx to easy to spot nightbldes, but nightblades have no way to counter spells. A bit unbalanced.

Dark cloak/shadowy disguise should grant 3 secs of invisibility. The ability should only break once you deal damage or once the 3 secs are over. No ability should be able to break the skill. No AoE damage, no magelight etc. The cost of the skill is high, it should not be for nothing just because someone uses impulse or magelight...

This, it's not like we're talking a perma stealth here, we're talking about a, just under 3 sec, stealth which still leaves you taking damage and still leaves you at risk from the enemy.

Point is, it's becoming almost useless and I've not fired the game up in weeks, I've been playing GW2 as my Ranger again. It simply breaks over and over and to actually get your 3 seconds of combat stealth, you have to spam it till you have no magicka.

DOTs and damage should still effect you, but should not break your invisibility.

That bolt escape is apparently fine, but this isn't, is crazy.

And guys, while it's nice to see green posts and I appreciate them as well (thank you), there is nothing wonderful about this. It's a prime class skill that almost every NB has on one if not both bars and it breaks from our own DOTs AND from group members being in combat, that's just awful and is just yet another bug that goes beyond line of acceptance. It shouldn't be live in the first place.

yelloweyedemon

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Selodaoc wrote: »

Magelight should not see through dark cloak. NB should also have a passive or something to counter magelight. Right now itsx to easy to spot nightbldes, but nightblades have no way to counter spells. A bit unbalanced.

Dark cloak/shadowy disguise should grant 3 secs of invisibility. The ability should only break once you deal damage or once the 3 secs are over. No ability should be able to break the skill. No AoE damage, no magelight etc. The cost of the skill is high, it should not be for nothing just because someone uses impulse or magelight...

This, it's not like we're talking a perma stealth here, we're talking about a, just under 3 sec, stealth which still leaves you taking damage and still leaves you at risk from the enemy.

Point is, it's becoming almost useless and I've not fired the game up in weeks, I've been playing GW2 as my Ranger again. It simply breaks over and over and to actually get your 3 seconds of combat stealth, you have to spam it till you have no magicka.

DOTs and damage should still effect you, but should not break your invisibility.

That bolt escape is apparently fine, but this isn't, is crazy.

And guys, while it's nice to see green posts and I appreciate them as well (thank you), there is nothing wonderful about this. It's a prime class skill that almost every NB has on one if not both bars and it breaks from our own DOTs AND from group members being in combat, that's just awful and is just yet another bug that goes beyond line of acceptance. It shouldn't be live in the first place.

Agreed. Dots and Magelight (that almost every mage now uses) are issues need fixing ASAP...

Beeftips

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

There are a few known issues with with Dark Cloak, one of which @smercgames_ESO mentioned above. We're aware and working on getting it fixed. The other, not being able to use it if someone in your group is in combat, is also one we're working on fixing.

Don't forget that resto-staff attack, mage fury, force shock, and shield charge can also knock you out of dark cloak/shadowy disguise. The delayed attacks from all those skills still hit NBs once they are cloaked.

sagitter

pretty annoying be popped out vs magelighters, this ability works 1/4.

smercgames_ESO

I seriously do not understand how you guys get busted by magelight all day. I break my own with the dumb DoT bug but besides that I never get caught while stealthed.

There are only 2 ways I get busted if I'm trying to escape. 1) I got hit with a piercing mark, good thing it's very rare people run this. 2) I do not have a enough magicka for my 3rd Dark Cloak which is usually enough to get me far enough from the situation.

I have never been chased down by someone running Mage Light. If I see someone with a big ball around them I simply do not attack them if they are in a group. I do not get why people think this skill shouldn't be countered by another skill. If everyone is running Mage Light then the problem is with Mage Light being too strong of an ability not that Dark Cloak needs to be immune to it.

Stealth is an extremely strong ability and in combat invisibility is even stronger. It needs to have counters or expect it's strength to be lowered. The more counters an ability have the easier it is to justify it being stronger since there are ways to avoid it. Take away all abilities to see us in invisibility and kiss the 100% crit goodbye and the purge because it will then be OP.

CapuchinSeven

smercgames_ESO wrote: »

I seriously do not understand how you guys get busted by magelight all day.

I stood on the spot a few days ago and hit cloak. I instantly came out of cloak after it applied. It's not just about Magelight, it's just simply broken.

smercgames_ESO

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

smercgames_ESO wrote: »

I seriously do not understand how you guys get busted by magelight all day.

I stood on the spot a few days ago and hit cloak. I instantly came out of cloak after it applied. It's not just about Magelight, it's just simply broken.

There are multiple bugs with cloak. Devs already said they are looking into it. Sometimes it even goes off but you don't get the cloaked animation but in PvE they can't see you so who knows but I was talking about all the people above whining about magelight and how Dark cloak should make you invisible to everything. (I was going to say Daedric Princes but I'm pretty sure it works vs Molag bal sooo.. it technically does)

yelloweyedemon

smercgames_ESO wrote: »

If I see someone with a big ball around them I simply do not attack them

Magelight is available to all classes, and pretty much every mage should use it as it gives a HUGE crit chance.

"Not attacking" the mage is not an option as you automatically accept defeat.

1 global access skill should not counter a whole class...

Piedplat

They should remove "reveal invisible" in the description of magelight

Varicite

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

smercgames_ESO wrote: »

If I see someone with a big ball around them I simply do not attack them

Magelight is available to all classes, and pretty much every mage should use it as it gives a HUGE crit chance.

"Not attacking" the mage is not an option as you automatically accept defeat.

1 global access skill should not counter a whole class...

It's probably good that it doesn't counter a whole class at all, then, and only counters a single ability of 1 class.

And honestly, it doesn't even do that if you're doing it right. Get some distance before you stealth, and use your sexy Ambush. At least, that's what I do on my NB.

/shrug