Templar class imbalance

TheGrimaceOR

Why is templar the only class with no class ability to restore magika? This is a huge imbalance considering every class besides templar has magika restoring abilities or passives.

It astounds me that no strategy is in the works to rectify this problem. Instead in 1.2 we get a heal put onto Piercing Strikes. Great job ZoS. Yes this is where the class was lacking and needed help; in heals.

sCouraGeFire

I will not complain about puncturing sweep heal. It will help us melee templars survivability significantly. A damage ability that also heals is a viable alternative to jabs morph, it will be great for tanking and soloing. That being said we could use a legit mana recovery passive.

Therium104

TheGrimaceOR wrote: »

Why is templar the only class with no class ability to restore magika? This is a huge imbalance considering every class besides templar has magika restoring abilities or passives.

It astounds me that no strategy is in the works to rectify this problem. Instead in 1.2 we get a heal put onto Piercing Strikes. Great job ZoS. Yes this is where the class was lacking and needed help; in heals.

Is there anything you all will not complain about.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

TheGrimaceOR wrote: »

Why is templar the only class with no class ability to restore magika? This is a huge imbalance considering every class besides templar has magika restoring abilities or passives.

It astounds me that no strategy is in the works to rectify this problem. Instead in 1.2 we get a heal put onto Piercing Strikes. Great job ZoS. Yes this is where the class was lacking and needed help; in heals.

We had a nice passive. However, there were few cry babies in the forums that they QQ was too OP, and they DK/SC sucks against a Templar. So ZoS removed the passive the week before release.

Same cry babies who are QQ for bolt nerf, DK banner, dark talons nerf.

Who basically cannot kill a player with some brains at Cyrodiil, and they come here asking to nerf this and nerf that.

Hell I know there was a post few weeks ago to nerf Binding Javelin. And I bet was the same VR10 DK I blasted to pieces at Cyrodiil with my VR3 Templar.

NerfEverything

Templars have been broken since beta. They are completely useless in endgame because no resource management.

Akinos

We have one way to get magicka back...channeled focus. Not sure about other templars but I rarely run out of magicka in pve or pvp, only time I run out in pvp is when i'm trying to 1v3 a dk, sorc and a nightblade lol. There ARE ways to sustain mp as a templar with certain skill and armor combinations.

Teelo

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Ralph_Damiani

No, they didn't, Channeled Focus still returns a minimal amount of mana.
Templars underperfom in PvP and have more difficulty than other classes in veteran content.

Templars are not impossible to play or "broken", but playing a templar, unless you're a dedicated healer, is simply not fun after level 50. Veteran mob groups require LOTS of coordination, because we lack CC abilities and good AoE's. In PvP, you're encouraged to never leave the zerg, because while you can take a punch, you, more often than not, will never be able to inflict enough damage before your resources are depleted. We have no means to escape or hide.

Everything would be fine is ZOS stated: But you're supposed to be healers! But that's not what we've been sold. We should be equally effective as DPS paladins and comparable to DKs in tanking, should we spec to be either.

The freedom of the skill system is excellent in theory, but has proven to be a nightmare to balance it out.

Tankqull

Ralph_Damiani wrote: »

No, they didn't, Channeled Focus still returns a minimal amount of mana.
Templars underperfom in PvP and have more difficulty than other classes in veteran content.

Templars are not impossible to play or "broken", but playing a templar, unless you're a dedicated healer, is simply not fun after level 50. Veteran mob groups require LOTS of coordination, because we lack CC abilities and good AoE's. In PvP, you're encouraged to never leave the zerg, because while you can take a punch, you, more often than not, will never be able to inflict enough damage before your resources are depleted. We have no means to escape or hide.

Everything would be fine is ZOS stated: But you're supposed to be healers!
But that's not what we've been sold. We should be equally effective as DPS paladins and comparable to DKs in tanking, should we spec to be either.
The freedom of the skill system is excellent in theory, but has proven to be a nightmare to balance it out.

even if they do so they need to fix our skills to fullfill that role and be atleast slightly ahead in this regard, wich we are simply not, to compensate for our lackluster dps and mediocre tankability.

Thechemicals

Teelo wrote: »

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Channel focus at full rank gives 360 magicka over 18 seconds. 20 a second

Tankqull

Thechemicals wrote: »

Teelo wrote: »

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Channel focus at full rank gives 360 magicka over 18 seconds. 20 a second

and cost ~200 => so its lets say 180 in 18 sec
dark exchange gives 2300 in 3 sec ...........

Akinos

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Teelo wrote: »

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Channel focus at full rank gives 360 magicka over 18 seconds. 20 a second

and cost ~200 => so its lets say 180 in 18 sec
dark exchange gives 2300 in 3 sec ...........

Channeled focus only cost that much if you're not wearing any light armor and have 0 mana reduction. Otherise if you're smart, and you use channeled focus in conjunction with a mana pot or some other mana restoration skill, A Templar can maintain mana pretty easy. Not to mention the 30% heal power you gain while standing in the channeled focus rune, it's a good skill, just too many people downplay it because it's not a instant full mp skill.

sCouraGeFire

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

Channeled focus only cost that much if you're not wearing any light armor and have 0 mana reduction. Otherise if you're smart, and you use channeled focus in conjunction with a mana pot or some other mana restoration skill, A Templar can maintain mana pretty easy. Not to mention the 30% heal power you gain while standing in the channeled focus rune, it's a good skill, just too many people downplay it because it's not a instant full mp skill.

So I have to wear light armor to make the crappy mana return skill effective, the skill that requires me to stand in it to get the crappy effect and I shoudl be chugging mana pots while doing so?

Please tell me how this isn't complete garbage?

Akinos

sCouraGeFire wrote: »

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

Channeled focus only cost that much if you're not wearing any light armor and have 0 mana reduction. Otherise if you're smart, and you use channeled focus in conjunction with a mana pot or some other mana restoration skill, A Templar can maintain mana pretty easy. Not to mention the 30% heal power you gain while standing in the channeled focus rune, it's a good skill, just too many people downplay it because it's not a instant full mp skill.

So I have to wear light armor to make the crappy mana return skill effective, the skill that requires me to stand in it to get the crappy effect and I shoudl be chugging mana pots while doing so?

Please tell me how this isn't complete garbage?

No, you don't have to wear full light, you could also wear mana reduction rings, or some seducer or something, being a breton helps. I really shouldn't even have to explain this, people should learn to think outside the box and not go by what others who have no clue say. It's not a "crappy skill". You don't have to be in the rune to get the mp regen effect either. And if you aren't using mana pots in PvP...well then you're doing it wrong. Harness magicka works also to help keep mp up. Keep in mind I'm referring to PvP. But the setup also applies in PvE.

Xexpo

Its funny that all the solutions to fix Templar magicka management involve armor sets and drinking potions.

TheGrimaceOR

kaer426 wrote: »

Its funny that all the solutions to fix Templar magicka management involve armor sets and drinking potions.

Exactly, meanwhile every other class in the game has a specific class skill to pop that almost fully restores there magika bar within 3 seconds. At the very least they should change the morph on repentance to restore magika from corpses too.

tplink3r1

we only need restoring spirit back, thats why we cant DPS, heal and survive in large PvP with a melee build.

Nox_Aeterna

kaer426 wrote: »

Its funny that all the solutions to fix Templar magicka management involve armor sets and drinking potions.

Templars are a joke if you dont want to be a healer and even then you better be ready put more effort than others into this.

Wish this was on the box , would have rolled another class instead of this...

danno8

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

sCouraGeFire wrote: »

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

Channeled focus only cost that much if you're not wearing any light armor and have 0 mana reduction. Otherise if you're smart, and you use channeled focus in conjunction with a mana pot or some other mana restoration skill, A Templar can maintain mana pretty easy. Not to mention the 30% heal power you gain while standing in the channeled focus rune, it's a good skill, just too many people downplay it because it's not a instant full mp skill.

So I have to wear light armor to make the crappy mana return skill effective, the skill that requires me to stand in it to get the crappy effect and I shoudl be chugging mana pots while doing so?

Please tell me how this isn't complete garbage?

No, you don't have to wear full light, you could also wear mana reduction rings, or some seducer or something, being a breton helps. I really shouldn't even have to explain this, people should learn to think outside the box and not go by what others who have no clue say. It's not a "crappy skill". You don't have to be in the rune to get the mp regen effect either. And if you aren't using mana pots in PvP...well then you're doing it wrong. Harness magicka works also to help keep mp up. Keep in mind I'm referring to PvP. But the setup also applies in PvE.

This skill would be very good if they added a bonus to magicka regen if you did stay in the circle.

Like 300% would be good.

The tooltip is screwy also which doen't help this skills reputation. Mine says 5 magicka per .5 seconds at max rank or 10 per second, which translates to 180 for the duration, and costs me 110 ish to cast. So on first glance someone reading it would think " 70 net magicka over 18 seconds? WTF!"

According to CLS is does seem to double tick per second so it is better than the tooltip states, but I think you should get a large bonus for actually staying in the circle.

Thechemicals

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Teelo wrote: »

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Channel focus at full rank gives 360 magicka over 18 seconds. 20 a second

and cost ~200 => so its lets say 180 in 18 sec
dark exchange gives 2300 in 3 sec ...........

Yeah every class has its own unique skills.... rune focus does more than just grant magicka and doesnt channel either. Also, my rune focus costs 165.

Tankqull

Thechemicals wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Teelo wrote: »

Last time I tried Channeled focus, the magicka gain barely restore the cost of the spell if I was standing in the zone for the full duration. Did they change something ? So if you need an armor buff or spell resistance buff and don't need to move it was an ok morph, but as a regen magicka it was crap.

Channel focus at full rank gives 360 magicka over 18 seconds. 20 a second

and cost ~200 => so its lets say 180 in 18 sec
dark exchange gives 2300 in 3 sec ...........

Yeah every class has its own unique skills.... rune focus does more than just grant magicka and doesnt channel either. Also, my rune focus costs 165.

well im not denying that it is a great tool for templar-tanks having an armorbuff that sustains itself, but calling it a magicamangement tool is plain stupid.

Akinos

kaer426 wrote: »

Its funny that all the solutions to fix Templar magicka management involve armor sets and drinking potions.

lol? what class doesn't use armor sets and potions to help sustain mana?

Lynx7386

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

kaer426 wrote: »

Its funny that all the solutions to fix Templar magicka management involve armor sets and drinking potions.

lol? what class doesn't use armor sets and potions to help sustain mana?

Think he's alluding more to the fact that other classes have armor sets and potions, but they also have better abilities or passives available to themselves for regenerating resources.

Therium104

sCouraGeFire wrote: »

majestic862_ESO wrote: »

Channeled focus only cost that much if you're not wearing any light armor and have 0 mana reduction. Otherise if you're smart, and you use channeled focus in conjunction with a mana pot or some other mana restoration skill, A Templar can maintain mana pretty easy. Not to mention the 30% heal power you gain while standing in the channeled focus rune, it's a good skill, just too many people downplay it because it's not a instant full mp skill.

So I have to wear light armor to make the crappy mana return skill effective, the skill that requires me to stand in it to get the crappy effect and I shoudl be chugging mana pots while doing so?

Please tell me how this isn't complete garbage?

The mantra "play how you want" does not include play like an idiot and complain when your jacked up garbage does not work.

Yes, you need to run out of red stuff. Yes, certain abilities and combos work better than others in various situations. Yes, you cannot beat your head against the computer and win.

You have the tools. Use them. If you choose to be "special" then don't whine about it.