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SOS: SAVE OUR SERVERS!!!
TheGrandAlliance
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ZeniMax intends to shutdown ALL PVP SERVERS (including ones that work such as a few in Eurozone). Whether or not you would like to see new ruleset based servers: DO YOU WANT ALL SERVERS TO BE SHUT DOWN IRREGARDLESS?
Edited by TheGrandAlliance on 7 June 2014 00:34 Indeed it is so...
SOS: SAVE OUR SERVERS!!! 148 votes
SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!
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TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!Edit: Thread reposted for accuracy.
This is the official ZeniMax post on the matter.ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »• Bow of Shadows: Veteran Rank only Campaign (five-day campaign)
• Blackwater Blade: Non-Veteran only Campaign (five-day campaign)
• Haderus: seven-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
• Chillrend: seven-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
• Thornblade: 30-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
All current campaigns will be shut down, and players will be rewarded appropriately according to the campaign score, leaderboard status and reward tier at the time of shut down.
This is my thread explaining why this is a bad idea to shut down good servers.
1. Not all servers are dead (esp EUROZONE) and some have good communites established. By attempting to uproot them you destroy "endgame PvP" (communites of hard core players engaged in each other) and destroy efforts made thus far.
2. 5/7-day campaigns are terrible idea: Night cappers win these maps... play GW2. You can loose everything, even the whole weekend, as long as you win MON-FRI night/mornings. It is a matter of mathmatics. With long campaigns it is difficult to do this over time.
3. Seperating vets from non-vets also bad idea: You end up with a bunch of new players having no one to show them how to play. IF the issue of ineffectiveness of vets are of concern... raise the bolster of sub-vets.
THERE IS ABSOLULTELY ZERO REASON FOR ZENIMAX TO DO THIS! THESE MOVES ARE SHORT-SIDED, UNINFORMED, AND WILL DESTROY COMPLETELY WHATEVER PVP ENVIROMENT EXISTS NOW! IF YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH POPULATION ISSUES... COMPRESS SERVERS BUT DONT NUKE EVERYTHING!Edited by TheGrandAlliance on 7 June 2014 00:43Indeed it is so...6 -
Izatar✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!TheGrandAlliance wrote: »THESE MOVES [...] WILL DESTROY COMPLETELY WHATEVER PVP ENVIROMENT EXISTS NOW!
That which is dead may never die!
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TRIP233✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!Lol. What ZeniMax is doing is actually a very good idea. There is a huge, very huge imbalance in PvP right now. Separating non vets from vets is the best thing ZeniMax has done to balance the Extremely imbalanced PvP.
As for the 5 day campaigns that's an idea they are playing around with. They might be trying to find out how many people will like it, or if they should stick with the two week campaigns.
Honestly I think they should ride out the 90 day ones to the end before shutting them down, but they are so imbalanced I can see why they want to close them early. They could leave one of them open but close the rest.
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Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!they are 3 good pvp servers on EU i main and guest. There is really no reason to shut those down.1 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something has to change. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".3 -
TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something has to change. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
Nuking the good ones, however, isn't the answer. IF you want some new ones... make some new ones. DONT NUKE ALL OF THEM simply because you CAN...Indeed it is so...1 -
Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something has to change. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
as i wrote i play on up to 3 servers and those have good balancing and population. nuking them is pretty ***.1 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something hresponse.nge. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
as i wrote i play on up to 3 servers and those have good balancing and population. nuking them is pretty ***.
Go ahead and re-read my post. The word your looking for starts with an "m". It would be natural for 3 (three) servers to have activity. Go ahead and count how many factions are. When you complete both tasks go ahead and post your response. I will wait.1 -
TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!Go ahead and re-read my post. The word your looking for starts with an "m". It would be natural for 3 (three) servers to have activity. Go ahead and count how many factions are. When you complete both tasks go ahead and post your response. I will wait.
Mates it is easy to talk tough if you don't follow through. At least 3, if not 4 of EU's servers are LOCKED ACCROSS THE BOARD at peak times.
....unlike Americans... EU lands didnt' bail on ESO's PvP.Edited by TheGrandAlliance on 7 June 2014 02:05Indeed it is so...3 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!TheGrandAlliance wrote: »So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something has to change. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
Nuking the good ones, however, isn't the answer. IF you want some new ones... make some new ones. DONT NUKE ALL OF THEM simply because you CAN...
I wasn't aware Zenimax Online Studios was in possession of a weapon of mass destruction. ZOS isn't changing things up "just because they can". They are addressing the issue of very low pvp activity on average. Go in game right now and tell me exactly how many campaigns have medium to full populations for each faction.0 -
TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!I wasn't aware Zenimax Online Studios was in possession of a weapon of mass destruction. ZOS isn't changing things up "just because they can". They are addressing the issue of very low pvp activity on average. Go in game right now and tell me exactly how many campaigns have medium to full populations for each faction.
Look EU/USA ARE DIFFERENT.
By your request: There are 5 EU servers with medium or higher population at peak times. Auriel's Bow, Bloodthorn, Dawnbreaker, Wabbajack and sometimes Chrysamere all have population. Whether USA is the SAME or not doesn't mean EU has to suffer for American's failure to play.Edited by TheGrandAlliance on 7 June 2014 02:11Indeed it is so...2 -
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✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!separating vets from non vets is a good idea. to whoever said "no vets teaching them how to play"(im not pulling up the quote) there are likely going to be many "pre vets" with vet alts, therefore, they can still teach new people how to play. i don't think they should shut down every server, but if it fixes the horribly imbalanced PvP, i say ZoS needs to do what they gotta do0 -
TheGrandAlliance✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!NookyZooky wrote: »separating vets from non vets is a good idea. to whoever said "no vets teaching them how to play"(im not pulling up the quote) there are likely going to be many "pre vets" with vet alts, therefore, they can still teach new people how to play. i don't think they should shut down every server, but if it fixes the horribly imbalanced PvP, i say ZoS needs to do what they gotta do
WEll... the problem is that the population of sub vet zones rotates. Is everyone there a "new player"? No. But unless people "camp" low lvl zones (dont lvl) and organize activites... there won't be any leadership of any kind in the sub vet zones.
IF you though "the zerg" was bad enough.... check out these new servers.Indeed it is so...0 -
Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something hresponse.nge. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
as i wrote i play on up to 3 servers and those have good balancing and population. nuking them is pretty ***.
Go ahead and re-read my post. The word your looking for starts with an "m". It would be natural for 3 (three) servers to have activity. Go ahead and count how many factions are. When you complete both tasks go ahead and post your response. I will wait.
its not 3 servers that have a healthy population on EU but nearly 4. i guess you are a US player. well *** no one cares about US in this thread kiddo.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!As an American, where my character has been putting in the requisite PvP time (my char is a DC Legionary in Auriel's Bow NA), I do agree with the Euros here. Judging from some of the past threads, there are handful of EU servers and Wabbajack NA that are still lively and have had a lot of Guilds' time invested. I don't think "Nuke 'em All" is the answer.
Like many other posters, I'm in favor of reducing the current number of servers to prevent imbalance (indeed Auriel's Bow NA is challenging when AD holds all the keeps).
So what is the correct balance, then?
In my opinion, I believe the correct balance is to keep the 4-5 "good" servers mentioned above ... but then only add the 1 vet and 1 non-vet (per this thread Bow of Shadows and Blackwater Blade) campaigns. The vets will enjoy the challenge of the high-level gameplay and non-vets will be able to get used to PvP against similarly leveled opponents. These are nice options for players at different levels of PvP gaming.
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Alomar✭✭✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!To be honest, I'd like shorter campaigns and VR only ones but 5-7 days is too short imo. I worked for Emp over months of playing and it will now be farmable in week-long sessions making it a common thing rather than something at least at this time is slightly rare.Haxus Council Member
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!So there are more threads on dead servers and lack of pvp than there are inhabitants on the planet. And if you have explored more than 3 campaigns, you would know that something hresponse.nge. At least you have fore-warning, Scourge got deleted "accidentally".
as i wrote i play on up to 3 servers and those have good balancing and population. nuking them is pretty ***.
Go ahead and re-read my post. The word your looking for starts with an "m". It would be natural for 3 (three) servers to have activity. Go ahead and count how many factions are. When you complete both tasks go ahead and post your response. I will wait.
its not 3 servers that have a healthy population on EU but nearly 4. i guess you are a US player. well *** no one cares about US in this thread kiddo.
Oh well I suppose im in the wrong section of the forums...wait nope. I did miss the disclaimer that only EU players had the permission to discuss the upcoming changes to campaigns. So half your campaigns are seeing traffic and your surprised ZOS wants to try to improve upon that. It is pretty shortsighted to say that no one cares about a huge portion of the playerbase. Whether you like it or not, this international game is affected by NA and EU players. And last time I checked the US was not the only country in North America, aye?1 -
Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!this thread is about EU servers, 4 of the 10 are fine (read fine means on primetime most sides are locked).
All they do is mirror the problems of US onto the EU Servers which have a different playstyle and PVP Population.
If you don't understand that there is a difference between EU Dawnbreaker (full today) and US Dawnbreaker then i'm really sorry for you.0 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!this thread is about EU servers, 4 of the 10 are fine (read fine means on primetime most sides are locked).
All they do is mirror the problems of US onto the EU Servers which have a different playstyle and PVP Population.
If you don't understand that there is a difference between EU Dawnbreaker (full today) and US Dawnbreaker then i'm really sorry for you.
Go ahead and highlight where in the OP that it is stated that only EU servers are expressly being addressed. I see "including" and in another post "especially". But my reading skills are apparently lacking. So if you could just highlight the "only" I would appreciate it. I will wait, go ahead and find it.1 -
Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!kiddo you know very well that this is about EU Servers. why do you bother to play dumb. trolling is not really cool anymore did no one told you?0
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cjmarsh725b14_ESO✭✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!Half the current campaigns are dead anyways and with the length they are now, people get to insurmountable leads (several million ap above those who come in even a little late and don't get in on the organized farming). This is discouraging and makes the campaign itself become pretty much meaningless, leading to all the guesting and server-hopping you see everywhere.2
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!kiddo you know very well that this is about EU Servers. why do you bother to play dumb. trolling is not really cool anymore did no one told you?
Ok then, I will bite. If you are ok with only 40% of your servers being active, more power to you. Makes great emperor farming eh? I will let you EU players discuss this without me butting in. But I leave you with this: not everyone aspires to mediocrity.1 -
SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!I think you need to add EU servers or NA servers as the NA servers are dead from what I've heard but the EU servers ( apart from the bottom 5 ) are pretty much full each night.
So to keep it fair I would keep the top 5 as they are, remove the others and replace them with the new shorter duration ones but remove guest option and make it so emperor can be gained through who ever is leading at the time all the keeps have been taken. It's a bit silly someone who is offline gets emperor. This should stop ppl from farming it.Patch 1.2.3 nerfed the game....
Zergballing wrecked pvp......
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bitaken✭✭✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!TheGrandAlliance wrote: »Edit: Thread reposted for accuracy.
This is the official ZeniMax post on the matter.ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »• Bow of Shadows: Veteran Rank only Campaign (five-day campaign)
• Blackwater Blade: Non-Veteran only Campaign (five-day campaign)
• Haderus: seven-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
• Chillrend: seven-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
• Thornblade: 30-day standard Campaign that anyone can join.
All current campaigns will be shut down, and players will be rewarded appropriately according to the campaign score, leaderboard status and reward tier at the time of shut down.
This is my thread explaining why this is a bad idea to shut down good servers.
2. 5/7-day campaigns are terrible idea: Night cappers win these maps... play GW2. You can loose everything, even the whole weekend, as long as you win MON-FRI night/mornings. It is a matter of mathmatics. With long campaigns it is difficult to do this over time.
3. Seperating vets from non-vets also bad idea: You end up with a bunch of new players having no one to show them how to play. IF the issue of ineffectiveness of vets are of concern... raise the bolster of sub-vets.
THERE IS ABSOLULTELY ZERO REASON FOR ZENIMAX TO DO THIS! THESE MOVES ARE SHORT-SIDED, UNINFORMED, AND WILL DESTROY COMPLETELY WHATEVER PVP ENVIROMENT EXISTS NOW! IF YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH POPULATION ISSUES... COMPRESS SERVERS BUT DONT NUKE EVERYTHING!
2) If you don't want a 5/7 Day campaign - join the 30 day one. All the real PvP players who actually want a challenge will be in the 30 day Campaign. Get a grip.
Seperating vets and non vets is a fantastic idea. Non vets get rolled and are pretty useless right now. I would love an area where non vets can go be all equal and have fun. Heck, I may even roll an alt for that fun.
Seriously, over reacting is never a good idea. Realize that 90 days of a campaign is too long - most people asked for shorter ones.
These changes are great - name the 30 day one Wabbajcak IMO!!!
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✭✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!nuke them (except a few), raze them to the ground. Other than a few servers they are nothing but emperor farms.Edited by Armitas on 7 June 2014 15:45Retired.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NUKE 'EM ALL!this thread is about EU servers, 4 of the 10 are fine (read fine means on primetime most sides are locked).
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Nowhere did this poll specify it was about the EU server.
Fortunately, with only 4 out of the current 10 campaigns being "fine" the new number of 5 PvP campaigns will be particularly ideal for handling the existing campaign populations.
There is no sound reason for the company to try and mess around with maintaining some existing servers and not others; best to simply close all of them and replace all of them in one go.
As long as ZOS provides the appropriate rewards when shutting down the campaigns, they can transition to the new servers with minimal issue.
If any individuals plan to outright quit PvP due to this change, those individuals care more about roleplaying loyalty on a particular campaign than they care about the actual PvP."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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Sheneria✭✭✭SAVE OUR SERVERS: DON'T SHUT DOWN THE "GOOD" ONES!this thread is about EU servers, 4 of the 10 are fine (read fine means on primetime most sides are locked).
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Nowhere did this poll specify it was about the EU server.
Fortunately, with only 4 out of the current 10 campaigns being "fine" the new number of 5 PvP campaigns will be particularly ideal for handling the existing campaign populations.
There is no sound reason for the company to try and mess around with maintaining some existing servers and not others; best to simply close all of them and replace all of them in one go.
As long as ZOS provides the appropriate rewards when shutting down the campaigns, they can transition to the new servers with minimal issue.
If any individuals plan to outright quit PvP due to this change, those individuals care more about roleplaying loyalty on a particular campaign than they care about the actual PvP.
You don't understand really. those servers are fine cause people like long time campaigns. the 14 day campaign flopped big on EU.
now that we know that on EU people like long term campaigns and hate short ones we are now stuck with 2 short ones and 1 normal? sorry but only a total moron would come up with a idea like that, but then again its ZOS.
the EU solution would be to merge the low pop with the ones that are workings and change the duration from 90 to 60/30 and one to sub veteran rank.
If you just copy the US Solution to EU people will simply quit because we will have a multiple hours queue for the 1 campaign everyone wants to play and judging by the incompetence of this company it will take a month to add a 2nd normal campaign (by this time people are long gone including me).
I really had much patience with all the exploits, lags and imbalanced, but this one is just incompetence on the highest level i have ever seen in an mmorpg.1
