Some actual numbers to think about.

david271749

Some of us are wondering how many subscribers ESO has, how many have they lost since launch, and how many do they gain each day, but everyone knows Zenimax is not about to release any numbers to the public. I don't have much to offer except for TwitchTV. If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years. I invite everyone to look at the numbers in this link. You'll be able to see how many people are watching ESO and many other games. The numbers will enlighten you. Please discuss your findings below.

Drasn

ESO isn't really the type of game that people watch on twitch is it? I mean it's no twitch plays pokemon that's for sure.

david271749

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

ESO isn't really the type of game that people watch on twitch is it? I mean it's no twitch plays pokemon that's for sure.

Many people watch MMOs on twitch.

RazzPitazz

When I checked the list Plague Inc had more viewers than ESO....... wtf. I liked Plague Inc but it is seriously boring to watch.

Drasn

david271749 wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

ESO isn't really the type of game that people watch on twitch is it? I mean it's no twitch plays pokemon that's for sure.

Many people watch MMOs on twitch.

I understand that, but it usually has to do with good PVP or challenging raid content(ESO has neither). Don't think that many people are interested in watching someone grind quest or sneak around for 30 minutes looking for someone to gank? Do they?

AlexDougherty

I prefer to read my gaming news, but that's just my preference. Used to watch a couple of TV gaming shows, but to be honest that was more to do with the cute presenters. ;D

Fleymark

Uh, I think that's the point that the OP you are arguing with is trying to make.

ESO is SUPPOSED to have "good PvP," as you put it, among other things. But apparently people aren't watching because it's not living up to expectations.

Drasn

Fleymark wrote: »

Uh, I think that's the point that the OP you are arguing with is trying to make.

ESO is SUPPOSED to have "good PvP," as you put it. But apparently people aren't watching because it's not living up to expectations.

I was actually agreeing with him, in that ESO is not the type of game people watch on twitch...so it's numbers will represent that.

zgrssd

david271749 wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't know how to internet.

I just report them and they tend to go away or stop doing that. He could not have violated the forum rules in a more direct and clear cut way then this.

I feel almost insulted that he tried something that obvious in a forum I use.

steveb16_ESO46

david271749 wrote: »

Some of us are wondering how many subscribers ESO has, how many have they lost since launch, and how many do they gain each day, but everyone knows Zenimax is not about to release any numbers to the public. I don't have much to offer except for TwitchTV. If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years. I invite everyone to look at the numbers in this link. You'll be able to see how many people are watching ESO and many other games. The numbers will enlighten you. Please discuss your findings below.

Don't think it means anything. I used to watch ESO videos and twitch. Now I watch other games not out yet to learn about them. Pretty much ArcheAge at the moment.

david271749

zgrssd wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't know how to internet.

I just report them and they tend to go away or stop doing that. He could not have violated the forum rules in a more direct and clear cut way then this.

I feel almost insulted that he tried something that obvious in a forum I use.

Yeah. Looks like they did some edting. Lol.

Sharee

david271749 wrote: »

If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years.

I've been playing MMO's since DAoC in 2001(and computer games in general since my ZX spectrum days back in , oh, 1994?) and never felt the need to use anything like twitch.

david271749

Sharee wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years.

I've been playing MMO's since DAoC in 2001(and computer games in general since my ZX spectrum days back in , oh, 1994?) and never felt the need to use anything like twitch.

But you have heard of it, no?

Fleymark

Sharee wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years.

I've been playing MMO's since DAoC in 2001(and computer games in general since my ZX spectrum days back in , oh, 1994?) and never felt the need to use anything like twitch.

People stream EQ and DAoC on twitch now. The new thing, apparently.

Coggage

I've heard of Twitch, but I've never bothered to look at it. To say Twitch represents any particular guideline to the level of interest in a game isn't really credible. People used to cite XFire as an indicator of player numbers all the time, which was equally daft as not everyone uses XFire.

I saw a thread recently, maybe on here, where someone said ESO was obviously doomed because some oldish game or other had X number of viewers and ESO only had 136... then someone else pointed out that Wildstar, a hot new title only recently released, only had 77 viewers.

Requiemslove

What I want to understand is how anyone can take anything from a site such as twitch legitimately. I mean come on. Seriously/ I would not think about the numbers of views this game has on it. For one thing, its only a few months old and for another thing its numbers for more established...and in some cases LEGENDARY titles just don't add up with reality. I'll give you an example. While scrolling through the list of games I came across one certain game which I know due to how much people go on about it, that it will very much absolutely have a TON of footage which is viewed on the internet. This game is one that will in 3 years time, be 20 years old, and is one of the most successful RPGs of ALL time. It had chocobo's, it had a nasty conglomerate organisation hell-bent on world power, it had a snowboarding mini game, a pretty lady in a pink dress and a kick ass Staff and the most annoyingly cool ultimate bad guy of ALL time, as well as a brilliant and some would say ultimately over convoluted story. This is a game probably at least a couple million people have urged to be revisited, recreated and pretty much re-done since I don't know...like 2006 or so. This game if you somehow didn't know [I mean seriously where have you been, under a meteor?] is FF7. Yet according to twitch has only 349 views or something like that...and I get it, that the game is pretty old and maybe some ESO players reading this weren't even born in 1997 but seriously 349 views, for a game that essentially was THE game to own, and has gone on to set the benchmark for others to follow, it was the game of its generation.

david271749

Coggage wrote: »

I've heard of Twitch, but I've never bothered to look at it. To say Twitch represents any particular guideline to the level of interest in a game isn't really credible. People used to cite XFire as an indicator of player numbers all the time, which was equally daft as not everyone uses XFire.

I saw a thread recently, maybe on here, where someone said ESO was obviously doomed because some oldish game or other had X number of viewers and ESO only had 136... then someone else pointed out that Wildstar, a hot new title only recently released, only had 77 viewers.

I see your point, but it's the best we can do as far as data goes. Also, Wildstar has 13,000+ viewers compared to ESO's 130 right now. Then there's other older MMOs like SWTOR, DCUO, and TERA which all have more viewers.

Cepeza

Man, if you want to know sub numbers of ESO you recomend to compare Twitch viewer numbers? Are you serious? What kind of uber weird idea is that? You even can not interpolate anything here. There is no time line, no user or IP differentiation, no nothing, just viewer numbers of a channel.

Is this thread just a TwitchTV add? Seems so.

[EDIT] I invite you to have a look into this! http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41735/USA/

Guess what N1 is in the US game sales charts?

david271749

Cepeza wrote: »

Man, if you want to know sub numbers of ESO you recomend to compare Twitch viewer numbers? Are you serious? What kind of uber weird idea is that? You even can not interpolate anything here. There is no time line, no user or IP differentiation, no nothing, just viewer numbers of a channel.

Is this thread just a TwitchTV add? Seems so.

I get your point. This doesn't correlate directly to sub numbers, but it is something I wouldn't dismiss as irrelevant. It's not an ad. I don't even have a channel. It's just something I found interesting.

Thunderchief

Clicked on wildstar to see what it was about. spent most of the time looking at the girl in the tank top. I don't think she was paying much attention to the game either. It looks really dumbed down with arrows pointing you in the direction of the next step of the quest at all time. If you deviate from the course at all it let you know you are going the wrong way. Is this game on rails? I bet if you asked her what the game story is about she wouldn't be able to tell you.

AlexDougherty

Thunderchief wrote: »

Clicked on wildstar to see what it was about. spent most of the time looking at the girl in the tank top.

I just looked at it, nothing to write home about, won't bother looking again.

Zaxq

Fleymark wrote: »

Uh, I think that's the point that the OP you are arguing with is trying to make.

ESO is SUPPOSED to have "good PvP," as you put it, among other things. But apparently people aren't watching because it's not living up to expectations.

Supposed to have, could have, but doesn't.


Talon + Banner Spam or lolsorcs spamming bolt escape when they aren't able to gank a lowbie doing dailies is hardly the stuff legends are made of.


Why would anyone want to watch that?

(although, I have no idea why anyone wants to watch someone else play a video game. I find that a bit weird).

wrlifeboil

Twitch is for younger gamers. My guess is 15-24 year olds are their biggest viewer segment.

I think the players on eso skew toward the more, umm, mature end of the scale. If you read some of the forum threads back in April, I was surprised to read that didn't know or didn't care much about Youtube. They seem to have no read on the connection between Youtube personalities and gaming. I doubt they know about Twitch.

GrimCyclone

It's obvious the game is shutting down soon. But they're not going to say it yet because it has to do with money. If anything what they'll do is cut staffing after the console release and let it die out and milk the few remaining subscribers if and only if it can be done. But as far as how well this game is doing as an mmo? I'm going to be nice and say, "Pathetic."

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's charm, but people just aren't wanting to play it.

Dale

I have to say I would rather play ESO than watch someone else play it, the only time I've watched twitch is when I want to get an idea on a game (conferences, expos etc), not really as a viewing experience in my top 10.

I think overall if you have time to watch someone play a game then you have time to play a game.

I would also say that you can never get an idea of the amount of people online because of the mega server, multiple servers linked together with only one login, this is really good for players but bad bad bad for twitch players and watchers.

The reason being that players generally want attention (thats why they are streaming) and watchers are usually also playing and trying to be next to their players, this is also known as ghosting.

You physically can't ghost in ESO because you can't search server by server for the player who is streaming, you have to either be a friend or very lucky, which if you imagine is counter intuitive to stalker mentality (which is what a lot of watchers are).

So overall ESO just isn't watcher friendly (but very streamer friendly).

anakaki

david271749 wrote: »

Some of us are wondering how many subscribers ESO has, how many have they lost since launch, and how many do they gain each day, but everyone knows Zenimax is not about to release any numbers to the public. I don't have much to offer except for TwitchTV. If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years. I invite everyone to look at the numbers in this link. You'll be able to see how many people are watching ESO and many other games. The numbers will enlighten you. Please discuss your findings below.

I was watching wow in space yesterday to get a grip around it and noticed they were in the thousends. ESO had higest 87, 56, 13 and so forth down to zero viewers. Too bad, I kinda like watching people fail in trials

I used to drop in on Entropy Rising but Erlexx seems to only be playing Smite now.

david271749

Zaxq wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

(although, I have no idea why anyone wants to watch someone else play a video game. I find that a bit weird).

I do it on my phone when I'm on the train. I'm able to watch all the games that I love. Might still be weird to you. :P

anakaki

david271749 wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Fleymark wrote: »

(although, I have no idea why anyone wants to watch someone else play a video game. I find that a bit weird).

I do it on my phone when I'm on the train. I'm able to watch all the games that I love. Might still be weird to you. :P

I do it too when Spotify makes me numb and can't find new music.

RazzPitazz

Just for Twitch clarification, LoL (which is strictly PVP and F2P) has about 80k viewers, which suposedly is about 1/5 of their average daily players. I use this because it is an e-sport which is "fast paced". One game lasts as little as 20 minutes, which means there is a lot more going on than in a title like ESO.

Drasn

Requiemslove wrote: »

What I want to understand is how anyone can take anything from a site such as twitch legitimately. I mean come on. Seriously/ I would not think about the numbers of views this game has on it. For one thing, its only a few months old and for another thing its numbers for more established...and in some cases LEGENDARY titles just don't add up with reality. I'll give you an example. While scrolling through the list of games I came across one certain game which I know due to how much people go on about it, that it will very much absolutely have a TON of footage which is viewed on the internet. This game is one that will in 3 years time, be 20 years old, and is one of the most successful RPGs of ALL time. It had chocobo's, it had a nasty conglomerate organisation hell-bent on world power, it had a snowboarding mini game, a pretty lady in a pink dress and a kick ass Staff and the most annoyingly cool ultimate bad guy of ALL time, as well as a brilliant and some would say ultimately over convoluted story. This is a game probably at least a couple million people have urged to be revisited, recreated and pretty much re-done since I don't know...like 2006 or so. This game if you somehow didn't know [I mean seriously where have you been, under a meteor?] is FF7. Yet according to twitch has only 349 views or something like that...and I get it, that the game is pretty old and maybe some ESO players reading this weren't even born in 1997 but seriously 349 views, for a game that essentially was THE game to own, and has gone on to set the benchmark for others to follow, it was the game of its generation.

20 years? Really? Man I feel old now, thanks.

Elirienne

david271749 wrote: »

If you're a gamer who hasn't heard of Twitch, I don't know where you've been in the last three years.

Perhaps playing a game, instead of watching other people speak about a game and play a game?

If you're a gamer, you get your kick out of playing, not talking about playing.