Factions joining to fight the other. Wabbajack

Sevas

This is happening on Wabbajack. AD and DC are working together to push back EP to our base.

They are fighting shoulder to shoulder clearly working together. If there was some way to counter this I wouldn't care but as it stands PvP in Cyrodiil is a zergfest and when one zerg outnumbers us 2 to 1 we don't stand a chance.

I know it's a game and "Alliances" happen but there's also a player cap for each side so there's nothing we can do about it.

Now before I read any "sore loser" or "l2p" comments I'd like to point out I don't mind losing to a side that has earned it and fought tooth and nail for it. AD/DC you aren't fighting tooth and nail you're exploiting a feature of the game. In my opinion you should be banned for this but that's probably impossible.

Bottom line, this is a game and we all pay monthly for it. By denying EP any chance of victory because of an unofficial alliance that breaks balance in PvP you are taking out any fun to be had because now we're just fodder for you guys and gals.

LilMcGinley

Is this a 2v1 post? I think it is...

Sevas

Very insightful LilMcGinley, thank you for your post.

LilMcGinley

Sevas wrote: »

Very insightful LilMcGinley, thank you for your post.

You are complaining about human nature and nature of 3 way combat. It's not an exploit by any means nor is it banable lol

Lord_Draevan

It's a common occurence in every server, the alliance that's ahead in points gets ganged up on by the other 2. Not much we can do about, as you point out, but lose. Happens every day, EP gets pushed back to our Gates for a few hours, then AD and DC get bored and start fighting each other and we push back out.

Jaxom

Are you suggesting that people be banned if they work together from different factions to take down the dominant faction? I think that's what I'm reading.

No, it's not bannable as it doesn't break any rules. It's the two lesser factions teaming up to take down the dominant one which is a tactic I would recommend all campaigns use. Diplomacy is a great tactic.This is a common occurance on Skull Crusher and we welcome it every time it happens. AD has been dominating the campagin for the last 5 weeks and it's not uncommon to see EP and DC work together and attack us.

Orizuru

ZOMG! No, it can't be.... teamwork!

Neeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrffffffffffffffffffffffffff it with fire!

Dleatherus

not wishing to sound rude, but have you ever played in either AvAvA or full on sandbox mmo's before?

this is a natural balancing dynamic and usually it will go through cycles - together DC and AD will own you only until either of them think the other isn't playing fair at which point they will turn on each other and you waltz right back in

laughing when you own the map AND crying when you don't is sad in my opinion

i guest in wabba many times a week and not once have i seen an EP zerg of 80+ stop and turn around from crushing 10 AD because they thought the odds were unfair - it's the nature of the beast - don't try and tame it - hop on and enjoy the ride, even if ya know it's gonna be wild and bumpy

D.

Sevas

I'm glad everyone missed my point. Thanks for your input I'll just back to gaming and not voicing opinions. Stupid me.

Dleatherus

Sevas wrote: »

I'm glad everyone missed my point. Thanks for your input I'll just back to gaming and not voicing opinions. Stupid me.

your point in your OP clearly stated that you think two underdog alliances colluding to knock off the top dog is an exploit and those involved according to you should be banned

people are explaining to you that it's normal in AvAvA

one night in our campaign where AD dominate most of the time we were holding onto our last keep to retain the throne with 80+ EP on one outer wall sieging down an inner postern, and 80+ DC on the opposite outer wall taking down the other postern wall with 40 or so of us in the middle - we lost - GOOD TIMES and fun PvP

it's NOT an exploit and it's not bannable

D.

MasterSpatula

What was your point? That you can't possibly win if the other sides team up against you? Cause I think everyone got that, they just rightly pointed out that you'll have your chance later.

PermaGrin

3 factions.
#1 fights #2, no matter what #3 does, some one will be "ganged up on".

Ever played at least a 3 player free for all in a RTS? 2 on 1 is bound to happen at some point.

Take it as a challenge and beat them both back.
Eventually one will turn on the other.

nukeyoo

OH EM GEE! HURRY JUMP OFF THE

lol...scrubs

Derpsicles

Rofl really? I play on DC on Waba all the time and never once have I heard of our factions intentionally "ganging up"

Kiljaz

Ya i play AD and admittedly am a solo or duo ganker... anyhow I welcome a fight of DC vs EP... more free kills! The only hard decision is who to kill first... Actually that's not hard... Blue dies first, they're usually more skilled players, red just mindlessly zergs typically.

bitaken

Sevas wrote: »

This is happening on Wabbajack. AD and DC are working together to push back EP to our base.

They are fighting shoulder to shoulder clearly working together.

Get your QQ out some more. You guys flattened everyone turned the map red and flaunted it here - to get more people to come to EP Wabba. Reap what you sow my man - now you can't out pop everyone because the pops were lowered and you're getting your butts kicked. So you come here and cry about it? This - is - classic.

Sevas wrote: »

If there was some way to counter this I wouldn't care but as it stands PvP in Cyrodiil is a zergfest and when one zerg outnumbers us 2 to 1 we don't stand a chance.

How does that feel. Tell us what it really feels like inside. I want to know - oh wait - I have been there when there are 80 person EP zergs destroying everything in their lagpath.

Sevas wrote: »

Now before I read any "sore loser" or "l2p" comments I'd like to point out I don't mind losing to a side that has earned it and fought tooth and nail for it. AD/DC you aren't fighting tooth and nail you're exploiting a feature of the game. In my opinion you should be banned for this but that's probably impossible.

Ban DC and AD because EP stands a real chance to not win the campaign they claimed complete dominance over here and elsewhere on the backs of their two main groups and massive zerg. Gotcha.

Sevas wrote: »

Bottom line, this is a game and we all pay monthly for it. By denying EP any chance of victory because of an unofficial alliance that breaks balance in PvP you are taking out any fun to be had because now we're just fodder for you guys and gals.

How exactly are you fodder? You were the dominant faction for over a month with DC struggling to hold Warden on a daily basis - and AD basically gone off the map. Oh...that's right - they recapped populations so you can't attack three bases with 48 people and still defend two with another 50...while steamrolling everything because we actually have population balance in the campaign - and the lag is under control.

Welcome to sandbox PvP.

And - the BEST part about this QQ post is that EP and AD have a working alliance - openly admitted by one of their recognized leaders. They are working to smash DC off the map this evening - ALL IN GOOD FUN!! WOOT

FENGRUSH

If someone doesnt like it, its an exploit.

nukeyoo

Look at AD and DC working together!

I reported them all and hope they get banned.

LilMcGinley

I actually just spent 2 hours roaming in Wabba, the beauty of a 2v1 is: you don't have to run far for action.

Keep bringing the heat AD & EP!

Samadhi

Sevas wrote: »

... AD/DC you aren't fighting tooth and nail you're exploiting a feature of the game. In my opinion you should be banned for this but that's probably impossible.

Bottom line, this is a game and we all pay monthly for it. By denying EP any chance of victory because of an unofficial alliance that breaks balance in PvP you are taking out any fun to be had because now we're just fodder for you guys and gals.

The game is intentionally designed this way.

ZOS actually encourages these sort of unofficial alliances, in order to work together to take down a stronger enemy.

Head.hunter

AD finally started to attack DC, today. The past few weeks have been nothing but attacks on Arius, BRK, and Chalman. I guess now the difference is that we're no longer ahead in points, except the problem is that... we're still ahead in points.

I don't really care if you guys want to team EP, it's been non-stop action. Bing, bam, poof, zing.

ThreeEyedCrow

bitaken wrote: »

And - the BEST part about this QQ post is that EP and AD have a working alliance - openly admitted by one of their recognized leaders.

Can you support this claim with a source or evidence?

Infraction

AD just attacked DC along with EP, I demand bannings now.

Arora

come to Dawnbreaker and see the decimation of the EP pack we are just decimated by the other two groups

Arora

Also, that's how war works two sides work together to eliminate an enemy and then turn on each other it happens all the time this is realistic

Rivière

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

And - the BEST part about this QQ post is that EP and AD have a working alliance - openly admitted by one of their recognized leaders.

Can you support this claim with a source or evidence?

Look below:

nukeyoo wrote: »

Look at AD and DC working together!

I reported them all and hope they get banned.

Maybe not an official alliance, but both were pushing DC only this evening, which was lovely... that defense in Aleswell was worth 7.5k AP tick

bitaken

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

And - the BEST part about this QQ post is that EP and AD have a working alliance - openly admitted by one of their recognized leaders.

Can you support this claim with a source or evidence?

Let's just say that the grapevine says we should not get Fixated on these issues. Let's all play and have fun. DC and EP are both pushing to win this campaign more for chest thumping than anything else. AD is the wild card - and I am sure they are enjoying the role of deciding who gets to win. If they press on DC EP will win. If they press on EP DC will win. It's a rather fun situation for all involved - those Ales and warden ticks were PHAT!!

I log in and have fun regardless. I played when it was standing on the EP spawn and AD spawn and farming Roebeck daily. I played when it was fight at our spawn against 5 X our numbers. I play because I enjoy playing - and yes I like to win.

However, I will not lose any sleep over it either way as long as I am playing with friends and having fun.

Gaettusk

bitaken wrote: »

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

And - the BEST part about this QQ post is that EP and AD have a working alliance - openly admitted by one of their recognized leaders.

Can you support this claim with a source or evidence?

Let's just say that the grapevine says we should not get Fixated on these issues. Let's all play and have fun. DC and EP are both pushing to win this campaign more for chest thumping than anything else. AD is the wild card - and I am sure they are enjoying the role of deciding who gets to win. If they press on DC EP will win. If they press on EP DC will win. It's a rather fun situation for all involved - those Ales and warden ticks were PHAT!!

I log in and have fun regardless. I played when it was standing on the EP spawn and AD spawn and farming Roebeck daily. I played when it was fight at our spawn against 5 X our numbers. I play because I enjoy playing - and yes I like to win.

However, I will not lose any sleep over it either way as long as I am playing with friends and having fun.

So you make a wild accusation without evidence just like the OP you made fun of? /facepalm

bitaken

Let's see....when a players messages another player and says - I have been reported over 300 times for working with AD this afternoon - it is not bannable to do what I am doing...that says everything right there. I will not post names.

Simply - I don't care that AD and EP were working together. It's the nature of the system. I'm good with it. If AD wants to ally with EP and come hard at DC - well 2:1 population we won't win. I will, however, be rolling in AP and DC will get better and better at cleaning noobs off keeps. EP is loaded with baddies. AD has more good players but there is not enough time in this campaign for them to win it. So, they can decide who wins it. I'm sorta good with that too

Halrloprillalar

Orizuru wrote: »

ZOMG! No, it can't be.... teamwork!

Neeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrffffffffffffffffffffffffff it with fire!

Fits the general theme of these forums... "OMG LOSING??! MUCH UNFAIR, NERF IT!!!"

EDIT: my personal take on the matter: