Why does Z favour magicka casters so greatly over melee

Stratti

I think the consensus is that this is the case so two questions for you
1. Is this true are staff and dress builds superior to the point that people will go that way with their own
2. Is this a bad thing
3. Does Z care?

For me it is
Yes
Yes
No

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Why do they hate DK tanks?

david271749

Big Harry Potter fans

NoMoreChillies

the same reason dropped gear vastly outclasses crafted gear

wish i knew that reason

Khivas_Carrick

What they should do is have a token or node drop so you can craft said set or super rare item in the style you want. Or have only mats drop so you can/have to craft the best items possible

ErykGrimm

I have come to the conclusion that Bethesda hired a social expirement team (aka ZOS) to find out if gamers can be brainwashed into cross dressing. So far the results are indicating yes. But more testing is required for a definitive answer. The player base has met this trend with some resistance, but their will can be broken.

badmojo

You guys act like this is something new for the Elder Scrolls series, melee has always been the weakest way to go. Magic is always the easy button.

NoMoreChillies

badmojo wrote: »

You guys act like this is something new for the Elder Scrolls series, melee has always been the weakest way to go. Magic is always the easy button.

err no
in Skyrim 2H was king

Loco_Mofo

The question on every ones lips.

Light armor/staff or GTFO.

Baphomet

Some of the best magicka feats are in fact... melee!

Cimos

PvP or PvE? I would argue that melee can do more DPS in many dungeons. Light/Heavy attacks of DW is far more DPS than staves.

All that being said, I am a sorc caster.

Dealdrick

Cimos wrote: »

PvP or PvE? I would argue that melee can do more DPS in many dungeons. Light/Heavy attacks of DW is far more DPS than staves.

All that being said, I am a sorc caster.

There is a lot of data that suggests you are wrong....

badmojo

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

You guys act like this is something new for the Elder Scrolls series, melee has always been the weakest way to go. Magic is always the easy button.

err no
in Skyrim 2H was king

Strange,in Skyrim whenever I tried magic it seemed so much easier than my melee characters. Tho, I don't think I ever did a 2H one, maybe that was my problem.

FrauPerchta

Many MMOs I've played start out with magic OP. No idea why as you would think it would have been discovered in Alpha or at least by Beta that Magic/Melee needed balance. In a few games it was made known that a Mage should be OP damage wise because they were glass cannons.

zgrssd

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I think the consensus is that this is the case so two questions for you
1. Is this true are staff and dress builds superior to the point that people will go that way with their own
2. Is this a bad thing
3. Does Z care?

Yes. Yes, Yes.

It was unintentional that mana abiltiies would be as strong as they are.
Hence they are getting nerfed. For the last 6 or so patches.

Once that is done and mana is equal to stam the light armor issue will disapear.

Kingslayer

ErykGrimm wrote: »

I have come to the conclusion that Bethesda hired a social expirement team (aka ZOS) to find out if gamers can be brainwashed into cross dressing. So far the results are indicating yes. But more testing is required for a definitive answer. The player base has met this trend with some resistance, but their will can be broken.

Well considering Zenimax media owns bethesda and zenimax online your assumption is way way way way way west of the pan coast.

phaneub17_ESO

Skyrim I used Bows and Dual Wield. Magic damage caps out too quickly was my problem, even when not using the restoration potion exploit for weapons and armor.

This game Magicka is the way to go while leaving stamina primarily for block, sprint, and dodge.

Kingslayer

zgrssd wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I think the consensus is that this is the case so two questions for you
1. Is this true are staff and dress builds superior to the point that people will go that way with their own
2. Is this a bad thing
3. Does Z care?

Yes. Yes, Yes.

It was unintentional that mana abiltiies would be as strong as they are.
Hence they are getting nerfed. For the last 6 or so patches.

Once that is done and mana is equal to stam the light armor issue will disapear.

They shouldn't be getting nerfed. Stamina builds should be getting buffed and having their ability costs reduced somewhat having brought into consideration the fact this stat is also used for dodging and blocking. IT should be as useful as magicka based abilities. Nerfing everything drives people away.

Khivas_Carrick

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

You guys act like this is something new for the Elder Scrolls series, melee has always been the weakest way to go. Magic is always the easy button.

err no
in Skyrim 2H was king

Dude magic in Skyrim severely outclassed melee in a naked Skyrim game lol

Khivas_Carrick

Dealdrick wrote: »

Cimos wrote: »

PvP or PvE? I would argue that melee can do more DPS in many dungeons. Light/Heavy attacks of DW is far more DPS than staves.

All that being said, I am a sorc caster.

There is a lot of data that suggests you are wrong....

DW and Melee looks like it hits harder but it in fact does not even come close to comparing XD

hk11

Just a guess but I think somebody got owned by melee in a previous game and now has an axe to grind.

Khivas_Carrick

They used to kill me time and again with dual wielding and two handers.


Used to.

steinernein

Most of you aren't looking at the right cases; instead of a positive view point you take the negative which is why you end up with poor results when you try melee.

ers101284b14_ESO

They don't prefer magic users they just know that melee is master race and the magics need all the help they can get

ErykGrimm

Kingslayer wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

I have come to the conclusion that Bethesda hired a social expirement team (aka ZOS) to find out if gamers can be brainwashed into cross dressing. So far the results are indicating yes. But more testing is required for a definitive answer. The player base has met this trend with some resistance, but their will can be broken.

Well considering Zenimax media owns bethesda and zenimax online your assumption is way way way way way west of the pan coast.

Im glad you read 1 or 2 sentences from Wikipedia, but Zenimax media was co founded by Chris Weaver in 1999. Mr. Weaver was the founder of Bethesda softworks. Zenimax Media technically owns Bethsoft, but only because it is the conglomeration of multiple smaller game studios. ZOS wasn't started up until 2007. Nevertheless, the founder of Bethesda co-founded Zenimax and the satire of my post sailed right over your head. Sheesh, I hate having to give history lessons. Edit: before you ask, Bethesda was founded in '86

AltusVenifus

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I think the consensus is that this is the case so two questions for you
1. Is this true are staff and dress builds superior to the point that people will go that way with their own
2. Is this a bad thing
3. Does Z care?

For me it is
Yes
Yes
No

it will get fixed, they just need some time for balance redesign... as for me I started with heavy armor, but since that isn;'t viable, went for the healer DPS role. Just have to realize the state of the game and try to enjoy it IMO.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

Its not that ZOS doesn't care (they do), its just that they're taking a slow, more cautious approach to balancing skills, and they seem to be taking it one issue at a time.

Back in the long-term beta, ZOS used to balance the game drastically in large swaths at a time, and every patch we had no idea what to expect from changes. Sometimes a drastic change to a mechanic would happen in one patch, only to be reversed in the next. This was a bad way of doing things, and we let them know (repeatedly). Apparently, they listened. Now they're changing things little by little, and while this may not make people happy in the short term, it will let them find a good balance spot in the long run.

As for stamina vs. magicka, I have no doubt that its on the table. But even though my 2H skills may be sub-par at the moment, there are Nightblades whose skills don't even function at the moment; at least mine largely do what they say on the tin. They're choosing to focus on one problem at a time, and I can respect that.

Personally, I'm willing to wait. I know that a lot people are not, and thats their decision to make. We'll make our beds, and sleep in them when the time comes.

Dealdrick

AltusVenifus wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I think the consensus is that this is the case so two questions for you
1. Is this true are staff and dress builds superior to the point that people will go that way with their own
2. Is this a bad thing
3. Does Z care?

For me it is
Yes
Yes
No

it will get fixed, they just need some time for balance redesign... as for me I started with heavy armor, but since that isn;'t viable, went for the healer DPS role. Just have to realize the state of the game and try to enjoy it IMO.

How long can people keep saying "it'll get fixed, just give them time" before you lose your patience? Many issues were brought up in beta, how much time do they need?

Cogo

Has anyone seen any balance changes lately. And I DONT just mean pvp stuff, because ESO is what, 20% pvp?

The balance the game on a daily bases. Give it time. Even better. Feedback it.
Or make a good post and they might take YOUR idea and put it in the game. They already did this!

Cogo

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Why do they hate DK tanks?

Ah common man. I've seen your posts before. You make a lot of sense. But since they started to balance out DKs (I Am one), you been a bit grumpy my friend. Adapt instead.....you do seam like one of em to are could do this.

Wifeaggro13

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

the same reason dropped gear vastly outclasses crafted gear

wish i knew that reason

Are you kidding me.?it is quite the opposite crafted sets are superior across the board. It actually is a bad thing for gear progression