The REAL problem with ESO...

Shagg_Nasty

The REAL problem with ESO,

Coming from me, just a random guy on the internet you can take what I say and do what you will with it...but I have played MMO's extensively for over a decade...I have played the majority of fantasy MMO's ever released.

:::EQ / Lineage2 / EQ2 / Mortal Online / WoW / AoC / DDO / WAR / RIFT / SWtOR / GW1 and GW2 / Planetside / Vanguard / City Of Heroes / Neverwinter and now ESO:::

and maybe more but honestly I'm a little high right now still and don't fell like trying to figure out if I missed one or two. I am in complete honesty a MMO addict...

SO THEN...on to the point..

The problem with ESO, is NOBODY really realizes how hard this Dev team is working to make this game good...they're reading every post, no just on here, but on several ESO fan sites as well, trying to hear the community and respond... monitoring every statistic and damage done while we're playing the game ( which unfortunately leads to memory leaks and crashes sometimes, but it is with the best intention) ....they're working so damn hard to appease the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...

And to those of us whom are on the opposite side of the spectrum...the hardcore Elder Scrolls fans! Realize that whatever your problems or issues, just remember that this is an online game that can be patched and updated easily...and will only continue to grow and become better and better, and if you really want to enjoy the game, I would recommend not downloading a combat tracker and become obsessed with maximizing your DPS (unless you plan on playing very competitively) ....just enjoy the game for what it is, and pay attention to the forums for notes and updates on your abilities.

Keep up the good work Devs...I don't envy your job, but I do appreciate your work.

Thanks,

ShaggNasty
(@ShaggNasty in game ESO, and Tamrielfoundry.com, @Shagg_Nasty on twitter)

Character:
Vexo Shadowscale
Argonian
V2 (Tank / DPS) Nightblade

rawne1980b16_ESO

So what you are saying is....

The real problem with ESO is Nightblades need nerfing?

daneyulebub17_ESO

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

So what you are saying is....

The real problem with ESO is Nightblades need nerfing?

That's what I got from it.

Khivas_Carrick

I got templars need more nerfs and useless buffs from that.


No for real though, he has a point, this team is at least trying, gotta give them that.

Regoras

Another post that starts off with a "gaming resume"... neeeeext.

Gern_Verkheart

Word of advice: don't create posts when you are admittedly high, you clearly got off topic in your own thread. What is the "real problem" with ESO? You never stated any problems, you just thanked the Devs for their hard work, which is good, but still not related to the title.

Shagg_Nasty

Wow, you guys just want to see some bad QQ from the title..and find out YOU'RE the problem...and post TROLL posts on my thread...nice way to flag yourself as the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...

That was easy to draw you out!

Shagg_Nasty

Regoras wrote: »

Another post that starts off with a "gaming resume"... neeeeext.

You're so cool.

Shagg_Nasty

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Word of advice: don't create posts when you are admittedly high, you clearly got off topic in your own thread. What is the "real problem" with ESO? You never stated any problems, you just thanked the Devs for their hard work, which is good, but still not related to the title.

You're absolutely right! I agree...but what is the problem than? In YOUR opinion?

There are alot of bugs...YES...bugged quests...YES...abilities...YES...

but the Devs are working on them...and damn hard too...so..the problem is not what the problem is...its that people don't see...none of these "problems" are permanent...

vyal

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

... The problem with ESO, is NOBODY really realizes how hard this Dev team is working to make this game good...they're reading every post, no just on here, but on several ESO fan sites as well, trying to hear the community and respond... monitoring every statistic and damage done while we're playing the game ( which unfortunately leads to memory leaks and crashes sometimes, but it is with the best intention) ....they're working so damn hard to appease the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...
...

There is no evidence this is the case. At all.
Reading every post? yeah. right. Sell me another bridge.

The evidence so far, compared to all those other games you mentioned?
Since launch:

Developers don't post. Ever.
I appreciate the absolutely terrible position their CS staff is in, and personally, I wouldn't do that job. No authority, all the responsibility, and the only public facing interface? Forget that noise.

Developers don't play this game. At all.

If they did, the bugs would be fixed, because they're so blatant and in your face every day. There are so many abilities and morphs that simply DO NOT WORK. They don't do what they say. They're completely broken. You try them once, and a blind monkey could see it doesn't work. And yet... here we are, almost two months later.. no fixes.

Their QA department is non-existent or so bad, they should all be fired.
Overall project management is terrible. All the wrong focus and priorities. Nerfing the only abilities that are working and leaving the broken ones unfixed? Who does that? It boggles the mind.

Khivas_Carrick

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Word of advice: don't create posts when you are admittedly high, you clearly got off topic in your own thread. What is the "real problem" with ESO? You never stated any problems, you just thanked the Devs for their hard work, which is good, but still not related to the title.

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

The REAL problem with ESO,

Coming from me, just a random guy on the internet you can take what I say and do what you will with it...but I have played MMO's extensively for over a decade...I have played the majority of fantasy MMO's ever released.

:::EQ / Lineage2 / EQ2 / Mortal Online / WoW / AoC / DDO / WAR / RIFT / SWtOR / GW1 and GW2 / Planetside / Vanguard / City Of Heroes / Neverwinter and now ESO:::

and maybe more but honestly I'm a little high right now still and don't fell like trying to figure out if I missed one or two. I am in complete honesty a MMO addict...

SO THEN...on to the point..

The problem with ESO, is NOBODY really realizes how hard this Dev team is working to make this game good...they're reading every post, no just on here, but on several ESO fan sites as well, trying to hear the community and respond... monitoring every statistic and damage done while we're playing the game ( which unfortunately leads to memory leaks and crashes sometimes, but it is with the best intention) ....they're working so damn hard to appease the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...

And to those of us whom are on the opposite side of the spectrum...the hardcore Elder Scrolls fans! Realize that whatever your problems or issues, just remember that this is an online game that can be patched and updated easily...and will only continue to grow and become better and better, and if you really want to enjoy the game, I would recommend not downloading a combat tracker and become obsessed with maximizing your DPS (unless you plan on playing very competitively) ....just enjoy the game for what it is, and pay attention to the forums for notes and updates on your abilities.

Keep up the good work Devs...I don't envy your job, but I do appreciate your work.

Thanks,

ShaggNasty
(@ShaggNasty in game ESO, and Tamrielfoundry.com, @Shagg_Nasty on twitter)

Character:
Vexo Shadowscale
Argonian
V2 (Tank / DPS) Nightblade

Highlighted, you're welcome. Saying he didn't state problems shows how little you actually read the post. He didn't state any problems you happen to think are real problems, he stated his own in his opinion, which is entirely legal and even encouraged, so, yea.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

...but honestly I'm a little high right now...


...That was easy to draw you out!

Evidently, the only thing you're drawing on is the joint that made you high enough to write this post.

temjiu

While I certainly hear what your saying OP...

Are you telling us that we should just NOT say anything about the state of the game (that certainly cause a HUGE amount of people to quit), and let them just tinker away, and all because they are working hard?

I certainly agree they are probably working hard. And if they're company is like mine, they are probably squeezing 2 peoples work out of each one. and I'm sure they're working overtime as well. And they all have lives and family. just like we do.

Just keep in mind that they'res allot of people like me who love this game, but simply couldn't play it with all the imbalance, the complications that VR brought into the game, the glitches...but I'm not going to repeat what a dozen threads have already beat into the ground.

I agree...people need to respect the developers more then they are doing atm. and I always disagree with people who think they have a right to belittle them. But when a company LITERALLY makes 2/3 of the builds in the game nigh unplayable in Vetran content (and 95% of the builds I enjoy playing in MMO's unfortunately fall into those 2/3), and when the company gives you no other means to communicate why you quit, and what you think they could have done to make you stay... people will come to the forums.

And The dev's in this game have been around long enough to know and understand that people who love the game, who want it to improved, and are frustrated to the point that they are quitting...those players tend to be very passionate about the situation.

OF course...We ALL need to remember that the dev's are not doing ANYTHING in this game personally...so we really need to be professional and respectful about venting in the forums. keep the personal attacks out plz, and keep the venting to just venting and of course quality constructive criticism.

Shagg_Nasty

vyal wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

... The problem with ESO, is NOBODY really realizes how hard this Dev team is working to make this game good...they're reading every post, no just on here, but on several ESO fan sites as well, trying to hear the community and respond... monitoring every statistic and damage done while we're playing the game ( which unfortunately leads to memory leaks and crashes sometimes, but it is with the best intention) ....they're working so damn hard to appease the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...
...

There is no evidence this is the case. At all.
Reading every post? yeah. right. Sell me another bridge.

The evidence so far, compared to all those other games you mentioned?
Since launch:

Developers don't post. Ever.
I appreciate the absolutely terrible position their CS staff is in, and personally, I wouldn't do that job. No authority, all the responsibility, and the only public facing interface? Forget that noise.

Developers don't play this game. At all.

If they did, the bugs would be fixed, because they're so blatant and in your face every day. There are so many abilities and morphs that simply DO NOT WORK. They don't do what they say. They're completely broken. You try them once, and a blind monkey could see it doesn't work. And yet... here we are, almost two months later.. no fixes.

Their QA department is non-existent or so bad, they should all be fired.
Overall project management is terrible. All the wrong focus and priorities. Nerfing the only abilities that are working and leaving the broken ones unfixed? Who does that? It boggles the mind.

I Miss the good old days of EQ1...GMs were IN GAME to fix issues...and it was always cool to see them walk up with custom stupid awesome armor... so maybe the Devs dont play...maybe they do...that is just speculation...

But they're patching alot, and doing alot of fixes...they've repaired tons of quests....there are still more bugged...YES...but this is a difficult task for ESO..

They have a single player franchise...turning it into an MMO...there are two distinct genre's they're trying to appease...setting the right priority is difficult im sure..

Shagg_Nasty

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

...but honestly I'm a little high right now...


...That was easy to draw you out!

Evidently, the only thing you're drawing on is the joint that made you high enough to write this post.

Dont hate on me because I said "the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers..." and you raised your hand..

Shagg_Nasty

temjiu wrote: »

I agree...people need to respect the developers more then they are doing atm. and I always disagree with people who think they have a right to belittle them. But when a company LITERALLY makes 2/3 of the builds in the game nigh unplayable in Vetran content (and 95% of the builds I enjoy playing in MMO's unfortunately fall into those 2/3), and when the company gives you no other means to communicate why you quit, and what you think they could have done to make you stay... people will come to the forums.

You can make any build work...ANY build can WORK...especially with a team...the PROBLEM is that now it is a speed thing...so...some builds work BETTER..and everyone wants to be the best...so when they see there is a better build...they either A) build the better build to "be the best" cry because their build is not as good..as one of the several builds for each class..

PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT TO PLAY...

That is the basis of this game.....

GreySix

Just give me the ability to co-opt currently single-player-only instances, and I'll be content.

Yeah, I'll keep thumping that particular drum until it happens.

Shagg_Nasty

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

So what you are saying is....

The real problem with ESO is Nightblades need nerfing?

Because i can solo a quest boss or a world boss?

a VR2 Temp and VR2 DK in my guild can do the same...if you cant then...check your build...learn to play better.

fiachsidhe

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

...but honestly I'm a little high right now...


...That was easy to draw you out!

Evidently, the only thing you're drawing on is the joint that made you high enough to write this post.

Dont hate on me because I said "the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers..." and you raised your hand..

An apologist pot head named Shagg Nasty is calling others "misinformed" after making a post with more wishful thinking, guesswork and assumptions than a Christian fundie's Facebook wall.

The irony is so dense, that this thread is the only thing in the world that can cut itself.

Khivas_Carrick

Nah, now we begin to disagree. Any build cannot work, because to work each build must be even with the next, or within an extremely small margin of each other, say 1-2% role difference, thus one will be better than the other but player skill and gear will make up for that loss, thus negligible.

At the moment the difference is massive, my guesstimate being 10-15%, with Sorcs now on top with DK's a close second, NB's in third, and Templars in the fourth place spot far behind everyone else. This cannot happen, this is what kills games and makes them no longer fun for the masses and cuts profits. This isn't 2004 anymore where a game can *** all over one class and praise another to god status and the community would be ok with it, this is 2014, the era of the MMORPG. You need to balance things out now, fix them, make sure everything works or another monster in the jungle is going to eat you and make sure you feed it's agenda.

Odd metaphor but you get the point. Zenimax, wake up and realize what's going on, the high you guys have now from your sales and initial success is going to dry up and vanish if you don't fix Veteran Ranks and the CLass/Weapon Balance issues, trust me on this.

Vuron

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

temjiu wrote: »

I agree...people need to respect the developers more then they are doing atm. and I always disagree with people who think they have a right to belittle them. But when a company LITERALLY makes 2/3 of the builds in the game nigh unplayable in Vetran content (and 95% of the builds I enjoy playing in MMO's unfortunately fall into those 2/3), and when the company gives you no other means to communicate why you quit, and what you think they could have done to make you stay... people will come to the forums.

You can make any build work...ANY build can WORK...especially with a team...the PROBLEM is that now it is a speed thing...so...some builds work BETTER..and everyone wants to be the best...so when they see there is a better build...they either A) build the better build to "be the best" cry because their build is not as good..as one of the several builds for each class..

PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT TO PLAY...

That is the basis of this game.....

Actually, this is no longer true if it ever was. Every build doesn't work. The trials are now actual DPS checks and if you can't hit a certain DPS within a certain timeframe, you lose. Your team needs to average a certain DPS in order to take down the bosses and is why you see so many complaints coming from the stamina based NB's and other less than optimal builds. Their builds simply don't work in the context of the trials.

Khivas_Carrick

^^^^ Wow, for once I ninja'd somebody. Sort of.

Shagg_Nasty

fiachsidhe wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

...but honestly I'm a little high right now...


...That was easy to draw you out!

Evidently, the only thing you're drawing on is the joint that made you high enough to write this post.

Dont hate on me because I said "the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers..." and you raised your hand..

An apologist pot head named Shagg Nasty is calling others "misinformed" after making a post with more wishful thinking, guesswork and assumptions than a Christian fundie's Facebook wall.

The irony is so dense, that this thread is the only thing in the world that can cut itself.

Oh, lucky for us to have an intellectual join the conversation..

Shagg_Nasty

Vuron wrote: »

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

temjiu wrote: »

I agree...people need to respect the developers more then they are doing atm. and I always disagree with people who think they have a right to belittle them. But when a company LITERALLY makes 2/3 of the builds in the game nigh unplayable in Vetran content (and 95% of the builds I enjoy playing in MMO's unfortunately fall into those 2/3), and when the company gives you no other means to communicate why you quit, and what you think they could have done to make you stay... people will come to the forums.

You can make any build work...ANY build can WORK...especially with a team...the PROBLEM is that now it is a speed thing...so...some builds work BETTER..and everyone wants to be the best...so when they see there is a better build...they either A) build the better build to "be the best" cry because their build is not as good..as one of the several builds for each class..

PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT TO PLAY...

That is the basis of this game.....

Actually, this is no longer true if it ever was. Every build doesn't work. The trials are now actual DPS checks and if you can't hit a certain DPS within a certain timeframe, you lose. Your team needs to average a certain DPS in order to take down the bosses and is why you see so many complaints coming from the stamina based NB's and other less than optimal builds. Their builds simply don't work in the context of the trials.

stam NB...can do stuipd damage if they know how to play.....just alot of times melee DPS in every MMO is gimped because of PBAOE's...that is from the dawn of time...

A melee NB has to get out of PBAOE range and stop attacking for a little while and then get back in...less mobility...the point is...the CHALLENGE is to take your NB (or any class) ..and adapt the build to beat the boss.

Just making it timed changes the whole dynamics.

vyal

Ah, DPS checks. The first failed "end-game" mechanic of the noob dev team.

Lock step for a new MMO. It's a pity you (Zenimax) didn't you know.. actually play the past 18 years of MMO's to learn from their mistakes. A real shame.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

So what you are saying is....

The real problem with ESO is Nightblades need nerfing?

Because i can solo a quest boss or a world boss?

a VR2 Temp and VR2 DK in my guild can do the same...if you cant then...check your build...learn to play better.

It was sarcasm.

I play Nightblade.

In fact, the sarcasm was that obvious i'm pretty sure Stevie Wonder could see it coming.

The only 2 that didn't were you and the OP.

GrimCyclone

Shagg_Nasty wrote: »

The problem with ESO, is NOBODY really realizes how hard this Dev team is working to make this game good...they're reading every post, no just on here, but on several ESO fan sites as well, trying to hear the community and respond... monitoring every statistic and damage done while we're playing the game ( which unfortunately leads to memory leaks and crashes sometimes, but it is with the best intention) ....they're working so damn hard to appease the masses of crying, uninformed, inexperienced gamers...

I don't give a damn how HARD they're trying. We pay for RESULTS. I give them zero points for their willingness to do good or do the right thing by us. ZoS hired them to do their JOB. You can EASILY see from the massive bugs and misappropriation and utilization of resources that SOMETHING is wrong.

Wake up. Stop defending incompetence. These are grown adult coders. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. Some of the bugs in this game are simply inexcusable. They are bugs that have been here since Morrowind with these type games. They KNEW of things that haunted this engine or game setup. And yet they ended up replicating the bugs and problems in the EXACT same way they always appear.

I would stake every single dollar I've ever earned or ever will earn that if SquareEnix or Blizzard was given this same design and did the coding with THEIR staff, there would be 80% less bugs and that's being conservative. I have zero empathy for them. It's 2014. You don't bring out an mmo with the TES brand on it and sully it's great name with this kind of performance.

I'm ashamed of them.

Tarwin

Dorito's thank you

ers101284b14_ESO

Tarwin wrote: »

Dorito's thank you

And Mountain Dew

Laura

wish I was a little high right now