Lets nerf DK to the ground while sorcs escape the nerf hammer with their stupid [snip] bolt escape

NerfEverything

Kronosphere wrote: »

if sorcs are so fine why is literally everyone re-rolling a sorc? people who dont even usually like playing sorcs feel they HAVE to to be competitive in pvp?

when such a large number are going to sorcs something is wrong, youd have to be a moth priest not to see that

and yeah 300 ult for nova is broken, they need to buff nova for sure i understand your pain lol

I got my templar to VR12, tried for a couple hours to get a trial group, no one wanted Templar. So I log out and re-roll sorc. I've been having fun again and it is encouraging to know that after a couple days of leveling, I will be the OP flavor of the month and will finally be desireable in PvE groups.

Xsorus

Until they get round buffing the Stamina Weapons and Heavy/Medium armor..no amount of gutting of classes will fix the issue.

Ralph_Damiani

It's a good day on the internet.

RylukShouja

ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »

Name one game company that didn't have developers cater to the cloth ranged spell classes?

Every developer out there caters to these types of classes. Just give up like I did years ago.

They will never nerf this ability. Just get used too it

Star Wars: The Old Republic.

"You don't need fixes, you can heal to full."

Raash

Sorcerers need some love & buffs i´d say. Nobody was crying "nerf that wizard" when gandalf fought that balrog while the rest ran away from the fight? I am pretty sure i saw gandalf having regrets that he didnt use bolt escape instead of that "you shall not pass"- spell when he got dragged down the abyss? Magicians should be powerful, you guys playing lesser characters should aid us better and not cry for nerfs!

Fersaken

Yup its a great day...

Instead of buffing people, they nerf people. Since start we have removed close to 200 inactive people from our guild and only replaced about 20 people. This game is going down the [snip]ter.

When every class in the game ( to be the best dps they can be ) has to roll a *** resto staff to be able to top charts then there is something obviously wrong with the rest of this [snip]astic game.

You disagree, that is your right, but the amount of people who are quitting is growing astronomically each day.

Soon enough buffs or nerfs won't matter because it will be a single player game for most of us.


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ckf12b14_ESO

So all I'm reading is pvp qq?

I don't pvp at all, and even I see that DK's needed far more nerfs. 1.7k sustained single target dps via banner ult spam? Yeah, that needed to go. Badly.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Devlinne wrote: »

DKs....I'm truly sorry that your Hold shield up>Talons>Standard of might>talons>Dragon Blood>Eat a stamina pot "I win" routine may have taken a hit from this nerf.
Truly sorry.
Maybe now. A little THOUGHT will go into your playstyle.

Sorcs. Don't be too happy. Some people get away some of the time. NOONE gets away ALL OF THE TIME.

Your time will come.

I actually don't even have talons on either of my bars. Super gimp DK right here trying to make use of the underdog skills, like uppercut....

It fails tho. There are many a skill that need cooldowns that are longer than their effect durations and talons is one of them. Never needed a radius decrease, it needed a damn cooldown. The spamability of some attacks is terrible, and its mainly aoe attacks, and one particular escape spell .

ZoS doesn't want to go the cooldown route tho..

maxilaub17_ESO

I'll take a wait and see on the standard of might change; however the OP is right about sorcs DO SOMETHING ABOUT BOLT ESCAPE! The ability has needed a HUGE nerf since it appeared.

babylon

maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »

I'll take a wait and see on the standard of might change; however the OP is right about sorcs DO SOMETHING ABOUT BOLT ESCAPE! The ability has needed a HUGE nerf since it appeared.

Doesn't bother me, I don't even use Bolt Escape. I like to destroy things things rather than run away from things.

Lorkhan

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

lol @ DKs complaining about nerfs while still being the strongest class. Go roll a NB or Templar if you want something to complain about.

And Sorcs...your time will come. Or maybe not. Who knows with this f*cking clueless company.

Obviously you dont play a DK tank, I havent touched it since 1.2 as it cant even solo anything 1v1 anymore, now? More worthless.

trololol?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Now I am reminded of my Diablo II days. Didn't they also add a cooldown to the Sorceresses teleport spell eventually? Man I spammed that crap all across the map there too, just like sorcs do in ESO. I think D2 is where they got the idea from.

ZiRM

LOL OP!!

joshisanonymous

Kronosphere wrote: »

If sorcs got nerfed as well i could handle it but right now this is *** crap. as if i used to see 40% dks and 60% sorcs in pvp now its gonna be 10/90%

It's telling that you don't even consider NBs and Templars in your equation.

Must be rough playing a DK.

I can only imagine that you're a really bad player if you can't kill a VR mob 1v1 at this point. I could literally kill VR mobs 1v1 when naked using sword+board and no actives. Learn to dodge/block/interrupt/react. I know you haven't had to do these things at all since release, but they're really useful tactics. More importantly, it makes combat a lot more fun when you're not invincible.

joshisanonymous

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Lord_Draevan

I wouldn't mind Bolt Escape if my Extended Chains worked... unless they're only supposed to work once then fail a few times in a row after.
Here's how it always goes for me: Sorc uses Bolt Escape. I use Chains, it pulls him back to me. Sorc Bolts a second time, I use Chains a second time, it hits but doesn't pull him back to me. Then he Bolts a third time and is now out of range, then he Bolts 3-4 more times and I can't even see him anymore.
Can Sorcs Bolt Escape if you use Talons on them?

OneForSorrow

All I can say is, speaking as a sorcerer, I would love to see DKs, Nightblades and Templars made powerful. For variety if no other reason

I see a lot of DKs and Templars but both wear cloth. It strikes me as bizarre to see a class that is "supposed" to be the quintessential undying warrior wearing the same equipment as me.

crislevin

Sorc so OP? why my leaderboard has zero sorc in top 5? maybe 1 in top 10?

Why?

oooooh, escape doesn't kill, such a complex statement, it seems no DK actually understand this at all!

it seems so out of reality, that they now grab an escape ability and call it OP, just to deflect the fact that DK is WAAAAAAY OP even with this TINY nerf.

More nerf of DK is needed, dragon blood HAS to be nerfed.

Kronosphere

becoming emperor is so class independant its not funny. beig in leaderboard just means u farm ap and do nothing but defend with a well organised group. you could have no armour and a level 1 bow and still be in the running if u played like the above mentioned

ErykGrimm

crislevin wrote: »

Sorc so OP? why my leaderboard has zethereforen top 5? maybe 1 in top 10?

Why?

oooooh, escape doesn't kill, such a complex statement, it seems no DK actually understand this at all!

it seems so out of reality, that they now grab an escape ability and call it OP, just to deflect the fact that DK is WAAAAAAY OP even with this TINY nerf.

More nerf of DK is needed, dragon blood HAS to be nerfed.

By your logic, dragon blood is a heal, it doesn't kill you. so therefore it doesn't need nerfing. Try again.

JosephChip

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

I wouldn't mind Bolt Escape if my Extended Chains worked... unless they're only supposed to work once then fail a few times in a row after.
Here's how it always goes for me: Sorc uses Bolt Escape. I use Chains, it pulls him back to me. Sorc Bolts a second time, I use Chains a second time, it hits but doesn't pull him back to me. Then he Bolts a third time and is now out of range, then he Bolts 3-4 more times and I can't even see him anymore.
Can Sorcs Bolt Escape if you use Talons on them?

That's because that pull is considered an hard CC. It grants the sorcerer CC immunity as soon as you pull him, so you can do that only once. Also a sorcerer can bolt through talons as well. Nothing you can do to stop him, mate.

Ninnghizhidda

By the way... Not ALL DKs are necessarily mages and magicka users.

When I started this game I created a Nord DK 2-hander character, which to this day is my main, with the intention to make it a "classic" melee, physical damage dealer, in Heavy armour etc.

It is still my main and I still play it every day, in VR ranks now. Yes, of course, stamina build. So, you are welcome to join in the fun with a build / toon like this, what with the "uberness" of the DK skills. People obviously meant and raged about a specific build that can utilise and "exploit" particular skills and synergies of the DK class. And guess what? A staff wielding mage, yeah, fire based. What a coincidence!

Bottom line: It isn't really the DKs themselves (or any other class). Perhaps it isn't even just the sorcerers themselves, on their own. But YES, it is mages AND the combination of skills / synergies with class skill lines.

There has been no "solution" to this yet and I am curious to see whether there will ever be one. Because, as someone already mentioned somewhere in this Forum... ESO is steadily becoming Elder Sorcerers Online. ^^

Kililin

They really need to fix all bugs first, balance all weapons, balance all armor classes.

This buffing and nerfing of class skills without fixing bugs and imbalances to generally available skill lines is leading only to the next fotm builds, that most likely involve staffs and light armor ^^

Bunku

Love these QQ threads, played templar from the get-go and seeing op classes whine for some valid nerfs is just freaking funny.

so your ult did aoe, gave dam, reduced dam.. and reduces healing too? Ever think it might have been a bit too strong with you guys spamming talons too?

Edit: and dont get me wrong, nerf that BE too. It freaking sucks, bring back my AP freaking sorcs, hate beating your ass when you just escape then.

Kronosphere

Bunku wrote: »

Love these QQ threads, played templar from the get-go and seeing op classes whine for some valid nerfs is just freaking funny.

so your ult did aoe, gave dam, reduced dam.. and reduces healing too? Ever think it might have been a bit too strong with you guys spamming talons too?

Edit: and dont get me wrong, nerf that BE too. It freaking sucks, bring back my AP freaking sorcs, hate beating your ass when you just escape then.

i feel for u and think its bs templar hasnt been buffed yet, especially your nova, but remember banner is worth nothing at all if u walk any direction 2 metres.

Rhoric

Sorcerers are not OP. If they were then I would have no issues beating Mannimarco and Molag bal. And if you can't beat one in PvP then you should learn to play.

ForTheRealm

grim6falcon wrote: »

Sorry that the 170 ult cost 30%dmg reduction was nerfed to 20%. Please feel free to reroll to a Templar for the 30% dmg reduction ult at 300 cost.

DKs do not have any good ranged abilities (in the opposite to e.g. Templars' abilities like Solar prison I belive you had in your mind). Thus as a class they rely mostly on close-combat including ultimates like Standard and Magma Armor.

Unfortunately further nerfing close-combat skills will be pushing DKs to take staffs, light armor and guild abilities.

I have several alts and a DK that supposed to be close combat tank. It is sad that ZoS makes the class to be another light-wearer caster :-(

Selstad

Can't speak for bolt escape in PvP because quite frankly, I stay around 200 miles away from PvP in MMOs because I've yet to find an MMO that manages to balance PvP.

When it comes to DK nerfing, some nerfing is in order unfortunately. The problem is that DKs are way too good than intended, and buffing the other classes up to DK standards would trivialize the content to an extend that everyone would zerg through it and be done. Therefore they have to balance out DKs so they don't perform way over what others can expect, then buff up other classes so they can perform at par with the DK.

When it comes to critical surge, I wouldn't exactly call it the most reliable self healing in the game. It's based on a % chance and when proccing giving a 65% of damage done heal. I would hardly call that unfair or unbalanced, but it's about the only argument DKs have to try and "save their grace" so can't blame them. Though if you look at the perspectives you have 2-3 self heals on a DK that are far my reliable and can be timed situational, rather than critical surge which you hope and pray that it procs.

It's always fun to see when a company balances out classes in an MMO. It's a raging war around it with so much crying that it could fill the Amazon river to flood levels.

Uviryth

Just out of curiosity, how much damage does Bolt Escape again? Where do I put it in my damagerotation to pull of 2k dps?

crislevin

Kronosphere wrote: »

Bunku wrote: »

Love these QQ threads, played templar from the get-go and seeing op classes whine for some valid nerfs is just freaking funny.

so your ult did aoe, gave dam, reduced dam.. and reduces healing too? Ever think it might have been a bit too strong with you guys spamming talons too?

Edit: and dont get me wrong, nerf that BE too. It freaking sucks, bring back my AP freaking sorcs, hate beating your ass when you just escape then.

i feel for u and think its bs templar hasnt been buffed yet, especially your nova, but remember banner is worth nothing at all if u walk any direction 2 metres.

There are many things work nothing if you get away.

And op is arguing sorc shouldnt have an ability to get away.