The purpose of forums

adino

I really like this game... that is until I come on and read the forums. When I read the forums or after I read the forums, I hate this game and want to rage quit.

I think that is like in all games. I enjoy the game and then I come on to the forums and read about why it sucks and all the broken parts to it and I realize, man I really hate this game!

I am a NB so I came on (can't play on weekends due to watching the kids) to read to see if they will improve the NB bow/dw build. Sure enough it is a freaken white hot topic. Hell it has its on sticky thread. Read like 5 of the 27 pages and man, there is a lot of hate from NB owners. After reading those 5 pages I now hate the developers and want to cancel my sub until the get it fixed!!!

But most likely I won't and I will log on Monday and realize again, "Wow I really like this game a lot." I just thought it was funny. The forums have a purpose I realize, but for me it seems the only purpose it serves is to make me hate the game and the devs.

I do hope they fix the NB bow/dw before 1.2. That would suck to wait that long.

My advice to folks feeling frustrated, don't read the forums.

Nox_Aeterna

That is the way most of the MMO forums work :P.

usually it would not get to me , but this time i keep seeing all the bugs and balance issues in the game myself , it is not something just others told me about.

Reason i might quit this game on the second month , while i usually would stay for atleast 6 months , which makes ESO a record breaking MMO to me :P.

magickats242cub18_ESO

This is true with just about anything in life, really. Many people don't seem to be able to express their frustration without being negative and belligerent, so you will always have these "rage" posts and threats to quit if they don't get their way.

People need to chill out first, think about what it is that is making them so upset, and then try to be cohesive about the way they explain their issue. This will help the customer support mods and the devs immensely, and perhaps make it more easy to find and address the problems.

Mercurio

This is the most insightful post on the entire forum

adino

yeah I noticed all the bugs mentioned with the NB. I also saw something bizarre and wanted confirmation. I saw a toon running 15 feet above me and running at an incredible speed. I was like what was that? So I asked in zone and it just set of a crapstorm of hate filled post about invisible/underground/speed bot farmers... Sure enough there are such things.

Animus0724

I think you're easily too influenced by other people's opinions if your emotions sway that much just by reading what others say.

Epona222

OK I might have gone a bit over the top there. Keep the smiley face Epona, it will all be fine

To the OP: Sorry love, none of this aimed at you at all, just having one of those 'hate the internet' moments, don't for a second want you to think either this post or what I deleted was intended to be aimed in your direction.

adino

Animus0724 wrote: »

I think you're easily too influenced by other people's opinions if your emotions sway that much just by reading what others say.

I am usually not. I have a very chill personality, but man you put like many many hours into a single class (I mean no other MMO makes you invest so much into one class) and you come on (feeling good) and you realize your class sucks, is broken and it is going to be 2 months before they fix it... (exaggerations...).

I just thought it was funny. And I felt my blood pressure rising and I felt like responding with a hate filled post of my own and... then I started to laugh. So much negativity. Just funny that is all.

I am the guy cracking a joke when he sees two people in an intense convo, to try to lighten the mood.

Yakidafi

@adino‌

Get me more motivated to play seeing all this hate on nb, because then I laugh and think I must be so outstanding at this game, both in pve(group,solo) and pvp.

I tried to give tips and advices once but people do not want to see that.

Lynnessa

I tend to avoid these forums too, because I also found them to be a total bummer. But not because of people reporting game issues. Because of the tone--the prevailing undercurrent of anger, resentment, self-entitlement, and condemnation. Most of what people had to "contribute" on these forums so far has been just plain rude. It's like Zenimax is the scapegoat for all of their pent-up frustrations, and it sometimes makes me ashamed to be part of "gamer culture".

But, the forums seem to be a bit better now.

jimfopao2

Haha...

Sometimes I wonder about the value of these game forums too. Just look what I found in my forum inbox.

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The forum deleted the company names when I posted here but let it go to my forum inbox unedited....Sweet huh.

adino

Yakidafi wrote: »

@adino‌

Get me more motivated to play seeing all this hate on nb, because then I laugh and think I must be so outstanding at this game, both in pve(group,solo) and pvp.

I tried to give tips and advices once but people do not want to see that.

I am a semi-casual gamer. Most of the venom is coming from hardcare players. The guys that theory-craft and do test runs and stuff. They have a right to their hate I guess. It moves the needle.

NB is fun but it is hard. Is it viable? I think so. Reports of people not willing to group with NBs in Craglorn is something I have not seen. I am only vr8 so maybe it is different at vr12 or on "time" runs or in AA. I don't know. But there is definitely a lot of bugs associated with the class and a lot of synergy issues with Stamina builds. I also see a crap load of sorcerers more and more or staff wielding players.

We will see and my history with MMOs have taught me, the 1 dollar discount a month is not worth locking in for 3 to 6 months. Do it one month at a time.

Lalai

Sadly.. negative is just kinda how forums go. I went to look at the Wildstar forums for funsies today. Didn't pick up the game, just wanted to see.. since the press had received Wildstar so much better than ESO and all (some even proclaiming it the "true" WoW successor). General discussion, 12 hours in.. and already most of it is negative, with a few folks thanking the developers (very similar to this forum at launch). Won't even get into the customer support forums.

Sadly.. forums seem to have developed into the go-to place to complain, rather than the go-to place to get together with other folks that are also enjoying the game and get to know your community.

HorsePhysics

Every game is dying, according to its own community.

Seriously though, everybody should know that by now.

Turelus

I spent a lot of time every day on the forums reading peoples issues with the game, I agree the game has issues.
On the other hand I enjoy my time playing it, so why should the rage and complaints of others sway me?

This isn't the case for all MMO forums, and once the initial influx of members leave who are not happy with the core mechanics of the game there will be more threads with people giving constructive and helpful feedback about the games issues.
Notice that most of the complait threads are also people stating they're already on their way out.

My advice to you OP if you love the game but hate the feeling when you read the forums is come and start being one of those who isn't a moron posting useless spam and rage. Find the issues you have with the game right now and write a good thread with feedback about how ZOS can make it more enjoyable, then feel good that you're helping the game you enjoy.

adino

Lalai wrote: »

Sadly.. negative is just kinda how forums go. I went to look at the Wildstar forums for funsies today. Didn't pick up the game, just wanted to see.. since the press had received Wildstar so much better than ESO and all (some even proclaiming it the "true" WoW successor). General discussion, 12 hours in.. and already most of it is negative, with a few folks thanking the developers (very similar to this forum at launch). Won't even get into the customer support forums.

Sadly.. forums seem to have developed into the go-to place to complain, rather than the go-to place to get together with other folks that are also enjoying the game and get to know your community.

The wildstar forums is VERY HOSTILE! The beta did not go well.

Turelus

adino wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Sadly.. negative is just kinda how forums go. I went to look at the Wildstar forums for funsies today. Didn't pick up the game, just wanted to see.. since the press had received Wildstar so much better than ESO and all (some even proclaiming it the "true" WoW successor). General discussion, 12 hours in.. and already most of it is negative, with a few folks thanking the developers (very similar to this forum at launch). Won't even get into the customer support forums.

Sadly.. forums seem to have developed into the go-to place to complain, rather than the go-to place to get together with other folks that are also enjoying the game and get to know your community.

The wildstar forums is VERY HOSTILE! The beta did not go well.

Really? Reading the posts around here you would think it's the ultimate awesome super best great thing in the whole of the MMO universe.

nerevarine1138

Turelus wrote: »

adino wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Sadly.. negative is just kinda how forums go. I went to look at the Wildstar forums for funsies today. Didn't pick up the game, just wanted to see.. since the press had received Wildstar so much better than ESO and all (some even proclaiming it the "true" WoW successor). General discussion, 12 hours in.. and already most of it is negative, with a few folks thanking the developers (very similar to this forum at launch). Won't even get into the customer support forums.

Sadly.. forums seem to have developed into the go-to place to complain, rather than the go-to place to get together with other folks that are also enjoying the game and get to know your community.

The wildstar forums is VERY HOSTILE! The beta did not go well.

Really? Reading the posts around here you would think it's the ultimate awesome super best great thing in the whole of the MMO universe.

Didn't you know?

Whenever you're on [Insert-MMO-here]'s forums, [Insert-other-MMO-here] is the best!

Dagus

my favorite thing about every mmo i have ever played has been the forums
I'd often rather see the brash underbelly of the writhing community than click the same 3 *** skills till my hands cry.

we are still in the early stages of release and we currently have the ability to morph this game into how we want. we are the consumer, they must listen.
thats what makes this all so fun to me.

Ser Lobo

Forums are full of hate, vile and vinegar. Cheaters complaining about being caught but claiming it wasn't cheating. Hackers complaining about being banned but not admitting that they were hacking. Losers complaining that nobody can beat them without cheating, even though they really do suck. And everyone telling professional game designers how stupid and dumb they are for ruining something that is obviously so easy to do.

And even when it's not, and it's just people sharing ideas (which I love to do), your stomach will turn realizing how stupid some players are, because they'll post the dumbest ideas ever (at least in your opinion).

I've always hated my unhealthy addition to video game forums. I despise the community even more after reading the forums. I could love a game, and end up hating other players so much it ruins the game for me.

I wish I could quit you.

Hadria

Turelus wrote: »

adino wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Sadly.. negative is just kinda how forums go. I went to look at the Wildstar forums for funsies today. Didn't pick up the game, just wanted to see.. since the press had received Wildstar so much better than ESO and all (some even proclaiming it the "true" WoW successor). General discussion, 12 hours in.. and already most of it is negative, with a few folks thanking the developers (very similar to this forum at launch). Won't even get into the customer support forums.

Sadly.. forums seem to have developed into the go-to place to complain, rather than the go-to place to get together with other folks that are also enjoying the game and get to know your community.

The wildstar forums is VERY HOSTILE! The beta did not go well.

Really? Reading the posts around here you would think it's the ultimate awesome super best great thing in the whole of the MMO universe.

in their general discussion you see the exact same stuff that was happening here. people asking for compensation cause they ordered the 3 day head start and theres a queue asking to close the servers. there must be like one giant group of people that go from game to game spouting the exact same bs in all forums. It all is the same!!!! just a different name.

Thulsola

adino wrote: »

I really like this game... that is until I come on and read the forums. When I read the forums or after I read the forums, I hate this game and want to rage quit.

My guild mates always know when I have been on the forums because I am grumpy with a game that I really, really enjoy playing. Not because they make me hate the game, but because I fear the general hate and impatience exhibited here will destroy the game before Zenimax has a chance to work through their initial growing pains.

Kayira

Yeah that I how I feel everytime I look into the forum. Everyone is complaining and every time I read vet content I feel like dropping my char. Until I realize it doesn't actually bother me that much and I will just continue leveling slowly, because what is there at max lvl I have not at the moment.

czar

isn't the point to let the devs know whether or not their game is doing good

adino

schip wrote: »

isn't the point to let the devs know whether or not their game is doing good

I am sure that is why the devs put money and resource into the forums. Not just ESO but all games. It does serve a purpose. I think they approach it from a statistical standpoint rather than reading each post. For example the NB issue has reached a boiling point, so much that they credited a dedicated post. When they see a destro/resto staff nerf post get 5 pages and a NB fix get 25 post, I think they realize we should focus on the latter not the former.

But I don't want this to be another NB QQ post.

All things considered I find this forum community to be less spiteful. Not sure if that is less "spiteful" people or dedicated moderators. Either way that is a good thing.

The F2P forums are the most hilarious to me. Here is a game that is F2P. Yeah it might be P2W, but at the end of the day it is FREE TO PLAY!! And the venom in those forums is staggering. Literally, if you chose, it is free to play and people want to maim and kill the developers.

Sadly it is not just game forums or MMO forums. I see it in ESPN forums and CNN. It seems (and yes this is anecdotal evidence) but forum posters seem to be angry.

Oh and sadly (as a previous poster said) I to tend to get a bid "addicted" to reading the posts. I look up and realize an hour has gone by. By that time I am like totally ticked off at the game and annoyed at my children. J/K. And I also seem to be drawn toward the criticism. If I see a post where they are complimenting the game I think, "Fanboy" and move on without really even ready. I guess I am the problem... lol

Tandor

We're still trying to work out the meaning of life. Working out the purpose of forums will take a little longer.

Covyn

NB's are still a riot to play, but yes.....there needs to be some optimization of the other weapons. I run my Nightblade as a Caster (closest I could find to an evil warlock ideal), and I have zero issues.

But again......you shouldn't be forced into wearing a dress and picking up a stick to press the eso IWIN button.

As for the Forum rage, and why it is rampant here?
1. ZoS's customer service is horrid, and handled by a driveup window operator somewhere in the Midwest.....well that's what I think anyways. Each of my interactions with them always feel like they should ask me if I want ketchup with that.
2. They used to respond to you when you reported something, they now ignore you.
3. They say nothing of the bug reports that are filed (they used to)
4. Feedback is an empty box that ZoS created to you can vent somewhere and they don't ever have to see it.
5. Their stance on Bot's is incredibly weak. People are sick of seeing them.

It's my honest belief that players think ZoS reads everything on the forums and it is the only way to attempt to get their attention....and they are often correct.

nerevarine1138

Covyn wrote: »

It's my honest belief that players think ZoS reads everything on the forums and it is the only way to attempt to get their attention....and they are often correct.

That's complete nonsense.

You think that the forums are the only way of getting attention because it's the only place that tantrums can get a response of some kind. But bug fixes and balancing are done based on in-game feedback. Simply because you don't see GMs swooping around on giant golden wings screaming "We're listening! Feel validated!" doesn't mean that the in-game feedback is useless.

Nazon_Katts

Well, they had rather big shoes to fill, which turned out to be a size or two too big and ever since they've been tumbling in the footsteps, with flailing arms proclaiming those to be the best fitting ever and they will win the marathon, all the while ignoring the many voices by the wayside, that it might be a good idea to watch their steps. And we're just screaming in the hopes they might not only listen, but finally see, that they're running at the very edge of a cliff trail.

Well, I'm actually just watching and pondering about taking bets, wether they - due to some wondrous and divine intervention - make it or are taking the fall. My voice is just too hoarse to scream anymore.

Alurria

And it rears it's ugly head in this thread. Everyone discussing calmly how negative posts affect them and a couple posters come in with complaints and think they can tell a developer how it should be...can anyone see the blinders they have on? Negative energy breeds negativity, positive energy breeds positivity. We only need to start with ourselves to change the energy here on these forums.

czar

@pieceofyarnb14_ESO angry energy is productive though
and someone has to put the devs' asses in gear