All this talk about Nightblades are bad, maybe I am a good player?

Turelus

There are a lot of warrented complaints with the current state of the Nightblade class. It's not unplayable and many of the threads complaining are blown way out of proportion however that doesn't mean there are no issues.

Posting on the forums that you don't have problems and it must mean others are bad doesn't address any issues. I have also noticed a large number of complains are towards the end level VR content which if you're only VR3 you probably haven't faced yet.

Falmer

My first character to Vet was a NB. DW, siphoning cloaking life-drainer. She was basically unkillable.

The game isn't designed for stamina builds, and many of my first NB attempts were trying to do just that and they all failed miserably.

Once I stopped fighting the game mechanics and just built a character around things in the NB skill lines, the character turned out fine. Maybe eventually, they will tweak the game so that you can build a viable stamina build.

Hiply

NightBLADE, you are not one.

Gilvoth

temjiu wrote: »

the reason is simple OP. you play with light armor and Destro staff. there are 3 things that guarantee success in ESO:

1) Destro staff
2) Light armor
3) Play a sorc or DK

3 is optional...as long as you have 1 and 2, most classes can make it. 3 ensures a smooth trip. if your DK at the moment, you can add to your success the ability to solo group dungeons in the "group trials" area.

balance is broke in this game. your successful because you were on the beneficial end of it. go play a DW NB or a 2h Templar so you can see the difference.

this comment i agree with, and is the correct answer.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

JJDrakken wrote: »

I am a VR3 Nightblade Vampire with Destro Staff or as I call myself a Nightmage.

Lvl 50 in Shadow/Siphoning/Light Armor/Destruction Staff.

Lvl 10 Vampire/Mage's Guild.

My rotation for bar 1 is Destructive Clutch, Swallow Soul, Structured Entropy, Invigorating Drain, Dark Shades. Currently rotate between Soul Tether, Shatter Soul, or Ice Comet.

My rotation on bar 2 is: Swallow Soul, Shadow Silk, Twisting Path, Power Extraction, Dark Cloak. Rotation between Soul Tether, Bolstering Darkness, & Devouring Swarm.

I also have many other powers I'll toy with here & there. But for most part that is my rotation for powers. I've never felt under powered, though I have felt overwhelmed at times, for [snip] I should do.

Maybe it's cuz I am using ranged vs a melee build?

You are a Vampire NB. Which is a different thing whole together than a "normal" NB.

Now, I believe this is Elder Scrolls Online and not Twilight Online. So the answer to all class issues "be vampire" is stupid to say the least.

[edited to remove quote]

Tavore1138

I am a VR7 NB and I think the point that many miss is that some of us would quite like to play the BLADE part of the NB class. It is not called NightSTAFF nor is it called NightSWORD&BOARD.

Personally I don't want to be a Vamp either but that is a personal choice.

I think we all know that a stick and robes is a more viable build than leathers and daggers BUT I would contend that the reason is because many of the NB/DW abilities that would favour the sneaky dagger wielding approach are currently non-functional.

So we people who want to be NightBLADEs not NightStaves persevere with it and wait for our time to come.

I suspect the lessons we learn from playing everything on hard mode may help us - I find playing the same content with my DK & Sorc alts is for when I need a break in easy mode.

I am keen to see what the Dark Brotherhood & Thief skill lines bring to the traditional NB build.

Solanum

I used to be bad at playing a Nightblade, but one night suddenly my skill increased tenfold.

I equipped a staff, and light armor, and instantly became viable and competitive. Still not on par with the real pro-players (Dragonknights and Sorcerers) I do surpass other mere noobs with ease (Templars and Nightblades in other amor)

Pro skillz

AinGeal

Solanum wrote: »

I used to be bad at playing a Nightblade, but one night suddenly my skill increased tenfold.

I equipped a staff, and light armor, and instantly became viable and competitive. Still not on par with the real pro-players (Dragonknights and Sorcerers) I do surpass other mere noobs with ease (Templars and Nightblades in other amor)

Pro skillz

Because what you say is true, I don't know whether to laugh or cry....

Reevster

Cogo wrote: »

Good players has always been good at whatever they play in most MMOs.

Bad players are those who only can do things with OP skills, and is very common to leave the game if they get "nerfed" (Fixed)

I've seen this behaviour in many MMOs.

Right on.

YourNameHere

This is really sad.

My NB is Medium armor/Bow/Siphon. And she's doing quite well now.

But I am realizing that Magicka and staff is the way to pwn everything in the game which is a load of crap. Might as well give that to everyone.

And yes, I have been turned away since I was a NB and NOT using a staff. When i asked why they told me anything else sucks.

I won't give up on my NB but it is frustrating to say the least as I have dungeons I can't finish cause no one will take me! LOL

tanthil

You heard it here first guys, nothings wrong with nightblades as long as you dont use any nightblade skills

Kriss

I'm a DW/bow nightblade specced mostly in assassination/siphoning and am NOT a vampire. I have never felt underpowered and never encountered something I couldn't kill so far, even in VR content 1-2 level above me if the packs of mobs is under 5 I have litteraly no trouble. I have gone through even a couple dungeons alone (not the public solo ones but the public group ones).

In PVP as long as I have the drop on somebody, I can pretty much kill anything, not that I don't get killed also but I don't feel gimped or underpowered and even before VR3 I have killed my fair share of VR10.

I am 50 and maxxed out in ALL crafting professions.

I don't pretend I'm better than others or that people complaining are n00bs, or that there isn't problems with the NB. But there -is- a big exxageration on how much the NBs are handicapped atm.

DW nightblade is a class that requires a lot of mobility and a -HUGE- situational awareness as well as a good knowledge of your skills' effects and your limits. No it isn't for everybody, and yes you will feel less useful if you run with a big zerg in PVP, but that doesn't mean NBs are bad or useless.

SO TL/DR, the Nightblade class isn't for everybody but before crying about the 100 ways the class is broken, try thinking outside the box a bit, or maybe the class just isn't for you.

Xsorus

Hiply wrote: »

NightBLADE, you are not one.

So you're saying a Dragon Knight in full Light armor and a staff really isn't a Dragon Knight?

You people need to quit getting stuck on your notion that a Nightblade or a Dk has to be a certain type of class.

Lynnessa

Aw... I was proud of my build till I read this thread. I thought I was unique. I'm only level 25, but I've chosen my skills on my own (after a couple of rerolls) and came up with a build that is a lot of fun! OP calls his character a nightmage.... I call mine a mageblade. I wanted to play a mage from the get go but I didn't like the flavor of the sorceror class. So I came up with this:

I wear all light armor, and I am a Breton. I am putting points into both of those skill lines to build magicka and magicka regeneration. Right now I have 14 points in Magicka and 10 points in Health. I might put a couple of points into stamina so I have enough to roll three times in a row.

My first bar is a Restoration staff. I use Combat Prayer (Blessing of Protection Morph), Swallow Soul, Dark Cloak, Concealed Weapon, and Killer's Blade.

My second bar is a Destruction staff. I use Elemental Blockade (Wall of Elements morph), Path of Darkness, Dark Cloak, Concealed Weapon, and Lotus Fan.

I use Veil of Blade as my ultimate in both skill bars.

I've put points into a lot of the Restoration staff passives to boost healing. I have the siphoning passive that gives more magicka with a siphoning ability slotted, the assassination passive that restores magicka when you kill an enemy with an assassination ability, and the shadow passive that increases health for each shadow ability slotted as well as the one that increases armor and spell resistance when coming out of stealth/invisibility.

When using the first bar, the armor/spell resist from stealth combined with Combat Prayer overcharges both of those stats--so I can take a few hits even in light armor. It's important to use dark cloak a lot and stay mobile, as well as to choose my target carefully. In intense fights, I tend to hover around 50-75% health. I have to budget magicka so that if I drop to low health I can get off a Cloak and a Prayer--the healing bonus from the Restoration passives is really helpful.

My second bar is fun for groups of mobs or in a situation I don't have to worry about healing myself. Lotus Fan in, which DoTs and slows enemies; Dark Cloak and roll or step back a couple of meters, then use Blockade and Path of Darkness to AoE them down. If Veil of Blades is up, an entire pack of enemies will die in a few seconds to all the AoE.

I can substitute in Illustrious Healing (Grand Healing morph) to help with heals. I main-healed a couple of the first dungeons, but haven't tried that since then.

I haven't PvP'd very much, but I have killed a handful of people that I caught alone in Cyrodil.

Also, I have heard that people don't think the nightblade is stealthy enough... but I bypass all sorts of enemies because I can keep dark cloak up for about 30 seconds. The movement speed bonus from Concealed Weapon is nice too.

I think my Nightblade is fun as hell, I actually WANTED to wear light armor and use staves, so I'm kind of glad to hear that's an effective way to go. I'm just a little disappointed that I'm not as unique as I thought.

Cheers!

Zaxq

Kriss wrote: »

I'm a DW/bow nightblade specced mostly in assassination/siphoning and am NOT a vampire. I have never felt underpowered and never encountered something I couldn't kill so far, even in VR content 1-2 level above me if the packs of mobs is under 5 I have litteraly no trouble. I have gone through even a couple dungeons alone (not the public solo ones but the public group ones).

In PVP as long as I have the drop on somebody, I can pretty much kill anything, not that I don't get killed also but I don't feel gimped or underpowered and even before VR3 I have killed my fair share of VR10.

I am 50 and maxxed out in ALL crafting professions.

I don't pretend I'm better than others or that people complaining are n00bs, or that there isn't problems with the NB. But there -is- a big exxageration on how much the NBs are handicapped atm.

DW nightblade is a class that requires a lot of mobility and a -HUGE- situational awareness as well as a good knowledge of your skills' effects and your limits. No it isn't for everybody, and yes you will feel less useful if you run with a big zerg in PVP, but that doesn't mean NBs are bad or useless.

SO TL/DR, the Nightblade class isn't for everybody but before crying about the 100 ways the class is broken, try thinking outside the box a bit, or maybe the class just isn't for you.

You clearly misunderstand.

The complaints arent about killing packs of 3-5 vet mobs. Every man and his dog can do that blindfold. The levelling part of the game is actually very easy on all the classes.

NB complaints boil down to:-

1. Lack of class balance resulting in NBs being almost exlcuded from end-game content, or at least highly-undesirable (outside of guild runs/desperate pugs).

2. Skills being broken/not working.

3. Disparity between DKs (mainly) and every other class in ability to solo the whole freaking game.

For small scale PvP, NBs are fine. For any sort of group content you would be better off as a DK, Sorc or Healer-Templar.

That doesnt mean you're useless. Imagine your skill-level remaining constant - you would instantly become twice as powerful/useful just by switching to DK/Sorc.

Thats where the problem lies.

Axewaffle

Zaxq wrote: »

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That doesnt mean you're useless. Imagine your skill-level remaining constant - you would instantly become twice as powerful/useful just by switching to DK/Sorc.

Thats where the problem lies.

It's not nearly that bad, nb dps is only like 10-20% behind at the moment, done of which will be offset next patch making us way more desirable. Yes Dks are op but that has nothing to do with nb and will be fixed eventually.

beowulfsshield

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

So you're saying a Dragon Knight in full Light armor and a staff really isn't a Dragon Knight?

Yep.

It would appear that everyone would be happier with the classes if they just put on robes (LA) and grabbed a stick to play a DK-Sorc, Temp-Sorc, NB-Sorc, or of course Sorc-Sorc.

I played a ranger in EQ from Kunark (1st xpac) on for 8 years, a class that was notoriously broken for several years. The SOE devs even had NPCs telling ranger jokes. Even so there were a few stellar players with top level gear and huge post-max level advantages (AA s) who insisted that the class was fine just the way that it was. For PvE that is, almost no one seriously played a PvP ranger after Kunark.

I played the class for 8 years because the idea of a ranger appealed to me. I play a NB bow/DW because the idea appeals to me. I have no interest in playing a NB/sorc. But that's just me personally, others may be fine with it.

Phantorang

Make a DK or Sorcerer, try that for a while, THEN you will understand that both Templar and NB sucks ass. Because its not that NB or Templar cant do stuff, its just that Sorc and DK can do it so much better and faster it makes no sense having anything else but those 2 classes.

Amsel_McKay

I played a DK, Templar and Sorc to VR1 and 1 to VR10... last night I decided that I was getting frustrated playing chars that others wanted (Tank, DPS and Healer).
Last night I started a NB in a build that I wanted... A 2H / Med Armor / Nighblade... I'm playing him like an EQ Berserker and I am enjoying it because its the first char I created to play the way I wanted... now I know it will be hard and people wont want me in groups, but I will be happy and that is what I found that this game needed.

It feels like a single player game for me now because of this, but at least I can fall back on my min max classes...

iluvataris

beowulfsshield wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

So you're saying a Dragon Knight in full Light armor and a staff really isn't a Dragon Knight?

Yep.

It would appear that everyone would be happier with the classes if they just put on robes (LA) and grabbed a stick to play a DK-Sorc, Temp-Sorc, NB-Sorc, or of course Sorc-Sorc.

I played a ranger in EQ from Kunark (1st xpac) on for 8 years, a class that was notoriously broken for several years. The SOE devs even had NPCs telling ranger jokes. Even so there were a few stellar players with top level gear and huge post-max level advantages (AA s) who insisted that the class was fine just the way that it was. For PvE that is, almost no one seriously played a PvP ranger after Kunark.

I played the class for 8 years because the idea of a ranger appealed to me. I play a NB bow/DW because the idea appeals to me. I have no interest in playing a NB/sorc. But that's just me personally, others may be fine with it.

maybe that explains why my eq2 ranger was so op, pvp nagafen represent!

Tamanous

You are a vampire ... not a nightblade.

Play a real nightblade without crutch powers from vampire and get back to us.

You also use Destro staff which is the OP fotm pick for any class. Use a stam based weapon and get back to us.

You specifically chose vampire and d-staff to patch the glaring deficiencies of the NB class. Is this a good player? No. It is a player slapping spackle over a Swiss cheese class. It is the old bat mobile ... looks good from afar but is a bondoed mess up close because the core vehicle is a garage kit job driving along side functional race cars.

It was known in BETA that the only functional NB at vet levels is a vamp. This isn't news. News is this class being fixed (CORE powers being fixed).

Ser Lobo

Nightblade issues are two fold:

- Melee/Bow nightblades and medium/heavy armor nightblades receive far less benefit than light armor/staff nightblades (this is true across all classes)
- Assassin builds (crit increases, stealth pops, and sneak attacks) have a significant amount of bugs in their skill tree to cause it to be highly unreliable

One set of fixes applies to all characters. The other is specific to nightblades.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

V3? It hasn't even begun to get worse.

Spiritreaver_ESO

JJDrakken wrote: »

I am a VR3 Nightblade Vampire with Destro Staff or as I call myself a Nightmage.

Lvl 50 in Shadow/Siphoning/Light Armor/Destruction Staff.

Lvl 10 Vampire/Mage's Guild.

My rotation for bar 1 is Destructive Clutch, Swallow Soul, Structured Entropy, Invigorating Drain, Dark Shades. Currently rotate between Soul Tether, Shatter Soul, or Ice Comet.

My rotation on bar 2 is: Swallow Soul, Shadow Silk, Twisting Path, Power Extraction, Dark Cloak. Rotation between Soul Tether, Bolstering Darkness, & Devouring Swarm.

I also have many other powers I'll toy with here & there. But for most part that is my rotation for powers. I've never felt under powered, though I have felt overwhelmed at times, for [snip] I should do.

Maybe it's cuz I am using ranged vs a melee build?

Its pretty cool your playstyle is supported by the Nightblade class as it is atm. The problem is, of this is my opinion, most other playstyles aren't all that cool atm.

And bringing other classes into my post, seriously go make a Sorcerer and take it up to VR content right fast and you will see the difference is like night and day. My Nightblade is currently parked midway into VR2. Not because i suck or can't do the content, but because it just takes way too much work to get the same results of other classes atm.

I'm loathe to use net-slang, but in this instance it is 100% on the money: My now lvl 40 Sorcerer is straight-up facerollin' content and i know it will handle VR content that challenges my Nightblade without breaking a sweat.

Again, go roll a Sorcerer and as die-hard NB as you seem(i actually am as well, it is the class i bought this game to play), you might just find yourself parking it for a bit too.

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Gisgo

Grats on mimicking a mage and thinking NBs are fine.
You are awesome, nobody else managed to pull that off!

Now get to VR12 with an assassin build and we shall speak again.

czar

JJDrakken wrote: »

Did you have a stroke there at the end, Schip?

i have a stroke every time zos try to fix this game

Hiply

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Hiply wrote: »

NightBLADE, you are not one.

So you're saying a Dragon Knight in full Light armor and a staff really isn't a Dragon Knight?

You people need to quit getting stuck on your notion that a Nightblade or a Dk has to be a certain type of class.

No, I think the word "blade" covers it.

CTraveler

Agreed with OP. I'm having a Lot of fun on my NB, even with the broken skills, and it's easily my favorite class out of them all. After playing as long as I have, trading off between three mains of different classes, I'm definitely having the most fun playing through on my NB compared to my DK and Sorc.

Darkonflare15

A night blade is stealth like character that uses magic to augment abilities to kill or escape from battle. Nightblade in this game needs to improve augmenting weapons abilities that is the point of a night blade. Haste only works on melee weapons how about bows and staffs. The skills in the Night Blade line suppose improve stealth and weapon damage no matter the weapon. People keep talking about they are not suppose use a staff for night blade you can but that is not the problem. The problem is that people want to use weapons instead of relying on magic. They want to improve damage with weapons in the game. This is what ZOS needs to do they need to fix the skills of night blade that does work with weapon skill and improve the damage of weapons. There is nothing wrong with having sneak character that is using magic to improve himself that is a night blade not an sneak character that relies only on stamina but the physical weapons need to be improve for people who do not want rely completely on magicka.

Schallen

A PVP build that really works for me is dual resto staffs. One hot bar with shadow, assassin, and siphoning abilities, and the other with heals.