In all seriousness. About the game's problems.

Guppet

The biggest problem for any MMO, is that there are so many of them and they all offer betas.

So if even for a week you have problems, half you players will end up trying another MMO and don't come back.

Every month there are a couple of new ones out. That's why WoW succeeded, there was no constant flow if new MMO's. There were one or two a year.

Every dev want in on the action and now none if them can keep a high player count.

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

Orizuru

Guppet wrote: »

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

So much this!

And it gets even more confusing because most attempts to try anything truly remarkable are immediately labeled as bad by many players because it's different from a feature they liked in a previous MMO.

nerevarine1138

Orizuru wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

So much this!

And it gets even more confusing because most attempts to try anything truly remarkable are immediately labeled as bad by many players because it's different from a feature they liked in a previous MMO.

You mean like handling classes differently than WoW?

Half the complaints in this forum are about how [X] class is so bad because it doesn't work the way people expect it to (meaning, it doesn't work like the class in WoW they thought it was supposed to correspond to).

dbennett707cub18_ESO

Orizuru wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

So much this!

And it gets even more confusing because most attempts to try anything truly remarkable are immediately labeled as bad by many players because it's different from a feature they liked in a previous MMO.

As someone who really likes this game's potential, its frustrating to see issues pointed out on the forums, and then completely ignored for weeks, especially with things that are blatantly broken and ruining an aspect of the game play(caltrops pvp). I don't expect the developers to know about every bug before it is exploited, but once it has been as someone who is paying a sub, I expect them to be hotfixxed. The problem is that just isn't happening, quicksiphon exploit is running rampant in craglorn, caltrops are ruining pvp, and the best we get is "next patch" if we even get that much. I think the thing that's frustrating most players is the speed at which fixes are being deployed is *** abysmal.

Khandi

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

Orizuru wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

So much this!

And it gets even more confusing because most attempts to try anything truly remarkable are immediately labeled as bad by many players because it's different from a feature they liked in a previous MMO.

As someone who really likes this game's potential, its frustrating to see issues pointed out on the forums, and then completely ignored for weeks, especially with things that are blatantly broken and ruining an aspect of the game play(caltrops pvp). I don't expect the developers to know about every bug before it is exploited, but once it has been as someone who is paying a sub, I expect them to be hotfixxed. The problem is that just isn't happening, quicksiphon exploit is running rampant in craglorn, caltrops are ruining pvp, and the best we get is "next patch" if we even get that much. I think the thing that's frustrating most players is the speed at which fixes are being deployed is *** abysmal.

ESO is a good game with a lot of issues. Some people will leave because of these issues, some will play in spite of them and still others will come back when things are better.

ZoS probably has pretty deep pockets due to their other successful game platforms which hopefully means they will be able to limp TESO along until all the big issues are fixed.

Indarqeen

ZoS probably has pretty Deep pockets, are you from EU ?

Khandi

Indarqeen wrote: »

ZoS probably has pretty Deep pockets, are you from EU ?

No, I'm from Florida. Why?

GrimCyclone

Ay! Little Havana! Les go get some cubanos off the truck, homes!

xramirez535b14_ESO

I think ZoS has done a good job at patching in the sense that they do it more often than I've seen most. However, the substance of those patches have not been that great. I agree with the OP that it seems to be getting worse. I'm still baffled about the phasing in PvE alone as it wasn't a bug but part of their vision for the game.

Indarqeen

Normal it's ppl from Europa thinking companies doing stuff just for the curse of dedication and affection

I just dont think zenimax think like that sorry

Khandi

GrimCyclone wrote: »

Ay! Little Havana! Les go get some cubanos off the truck, homes!

Just a con leche for me thanks!!

Indarqeen

In Denmark The government see computer games and films like art, and make economic support up 90% of the total coast

zhevon

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Half the complaints in this forum are about how [X] class is so bad because it doesn't work the way people expect it to (meaning, it doesn't work like the class in WoW they thought it was supposed to correspond to).

Well lots of complaints are because skills don't match the tooltips or are just plain broken. This stuff should be fixed NOW. Most people don't want to guess how a skill is working or not. In addition people get dependent on skills working better than they should and when it gets fixed they complain. Can't blame them either - its working well then I'll use it; oh its not working anymore.

Now, then there is a second point : class skills should be useful and maybe some classes need to be reworked. I don't actually mind holding off on that kind of stuff.

Ohioastro

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

Orizuru wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

You have to do something truly remarkable to keep players or the second they get bored, off they go to another free beta.

So much this!

And it gets even more confusing because most attempts to try anything truly remarkable are immediately labeled as bad by many players because it's different from a feature they liked in a previous MMO.

As someone who really likes this game's potential, its frustrating to see issues pointed out on the forums, and then completely ignored for weeks, especially with things that are blatantly broken and ruining an aspect of the game play(caltrops pvp). I don't expect the developers to know about every bug before it is exploited, but once it has been as someone who is paying a sub, I expect them to be hotfixxed. The problem is that just isn't happening, quicksiphon exploit is running rampant in craglorn, caltrops are ruining pvp, and the best we get is "next patch" if we even get that much. I think the thing that's frustrating most players is the speed at which fixes are being deployed is *** abysmal.

There are technical aspects to fixes too: some may be easier to address than others. Zen has been solid on rapid fixes for some items, and not others, and it can be as simple as having some problems being easier to diagnose and fix than others. From my angle, they've actually been remarkably quick in fixing the game when this is accounted for. Questing is extremely smooth now, for instance.

Another common point is that "this is 10 years after WoW, thus ESO should have far fewer problems." For some things, perhaps; but for others this is emphatically not true. Player expectations are much higher and this requires much more complex software. If your actions had no persistent consequences and there were individual servers, for example, ESO would undoubtedly be far easier to program and far more stable. It would also be a different (and in my mind, much worse) game.

And as far as bots go, the bot technology is far more widespread and sophisticated than it was a decade ago. I think that bots are actually a much worse problem now than they used to be, in the sense that they are far more insidious and difficult to counter than they used to be. People who are applying a single player game filter to a MMO are really fooling themselves in their assessment of how complex a problem it actually is.

Orizuru

GrimCyclone wrote: »

And also dude, most people don't even come to the forums. The console players really don't use forums much for ESO games. I'd say about 15% of the people who actually play the games do. And that's being generous.

I would be curious to know the policy ZOS has about web crawlers parsing their forums. It would be fun to make one that could parse them out enough to get a count of the unique user names that have left at least one comment on the forums.

NerfEverything

GrimCyclone wrote: »

(Goofy's Voice) Well golly, mister. I don't want know trouble with the law.
*tips his hat and exits the bar*

I thought you were leaving. You have done nothing but troll and try to derail the discussion.

Kiash

Game is good, not perfect, but it's fun, and it's going to give me several years of entertainment. It has it's problems. Every game does. I have seen maybe 2 hackers total in a month and a half, which is about average for any MMO I have played.

Personally can't wait till most burn out and leave or rage quit, then we can have a good solid community like LoTRO and Rift have. Those games have aged very well. If anyone remembers Rift had 6 months of hell and bug laden patches at release. Now it's one of the most successful themeparks around.

Either stick with it or not, but I look forward to things calming down once people stop whining constantly as with any MMO the first 6mos-1 year.

methjester

If they could hotfix the VR Mobs overnight, they could roll out a change or two a week. They aren't doing that.

The game is broke in so many ways and people don't want to sit around and wait a month for a mega patch (which didn't work) to fix everything. Fix a little at a time, and tell people ffs. They have to have an intern with good communication.

The "we are aware of the problem" responses followed by month long silences are becoming a joke among the community.

Requiemslove

The big problem is expectation and this I feel is where ZOS has fallen on its face. I want this game to succeed and be as good as its potential says it can be but the reality is ZOS were naïve. There is I feel some truth to the suggestion maybe they figured they could waltz through this new format. [for them] The school-boy errors is where they are most at fault and they have so much so very much to learn. Time is not on their side. The plethora of MMOs and the often OTT expectations of players goes against them. ESO can be a great MMO and probably...no, HOPEFULLY will become that MMO, but maybe now too late to be an extraordinary one? ZOS needed to hit the ground running. Its a shame they have not done that.

How long will I stay for? There is no answer to that question, I don't play all that much...I want to, but other games have been getting my attention and sometimes it feels hard justifying the subscription fee. Every MMO is made of its core from loyal subscribers and I want to be a part of that, but is this game worth it, as it is now? This is just a question many no doubt have been asking, with good reasons.

I don't want to say this but I sometimes feel this game would be better if it were run by Bethesda, or some perhaps more experienced company in this field.

ExiledKhallisi

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

WoW was then - a 10 years ago then. This is Now - with Archeage, Wildstar and Everquest Whatever hitting any time soon as direct competition.

What happened at WoW launch is about as relevant as Agincourt.

I'm not a charity. If i'm paying a sub it better deliver or the money goes to someone else who can.

That is irrelevant. Those games all came out with the same issues.... as will this mmo and the next one.....

You are all crying to early.

7 weeks.

Dealdrick

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

WoW was then - a 10 years ago then. This is Now - with Archeage, Wildstar and Everquest Whatever hitting any time soon as direct competition.

What happened at WoW launch is about as relevant as Agincourt.

I'm not a charity. If i'm paying a sub it better deliver or the money goes to someone else who can.

That is irrelevant. Those games all came out with the same issues.... as will this mmo and the next one.....

You are all crying to early.

7 weeks.

I think you misunderstand what people are crying about. The biggest cries are about actually being to play the game! Read the threads about "error 301" or the latest wave of players getting erroneously banned and it taking days to resolve the issue. Or, try to PvP right now in any large battle and tell what your performance is like.

The game is in a worse state now than it was in Beta, its going downhill, and you say we are crying to early. I'm curious what it will look like after another of their "content updates."

tordr86b16_ESO

I feel that ESO will go f2p if the console release is a bust and that they keep making mistakes.

kaosodin

GrimCyclone wrote: »

Dude I gave you an awesome just for how long that post was.

Lol so did I, wall of text

Jankstar

Censorious wrote: »

It's an American company.

Last time I was in America, somebody served me steak with a strawberry on it.

I am truly sorry for you experience, that is the sad state of the country in a nutshell.

GreySix

America.

We were great once.

GrimCyclone

GreySix wrote: »

America.

We were great once.

We still are. It's the new beta male liberals that think we aren't.

aleister

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

That is irrelevant. Those games all came out with the same issues.... as will this mmo and the next one.....

You are all crying to early.

7 weeks.

Lame excuse and untrue. WoW had server availability issues (due to its unprecedented popularity), but once you were in, it was pretty solid and a regular PVE player could take a character well into the upper levels before the class issues other problems became as apparent as issues with ESO are in your first hour.

martinhpb16_ESO

OP what are you actually saying apart from their are bots and hacks?

I looked at this thread with interest but saw nothing interesting in it.

Can you be more specific?

GrimCyclone

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

OP what are you actually saying apart from their are bots and hacks?

I looked at this thread with interest but saw nothing interesting in it.

Can you be more specific?

In my original post.

well I can't put a fine point on it. There's just something extra off with this one.

That's what I said because I was being a bit lazy, but also didn't want to be extra long-winded. I think the other posters have filled in the blank, so-to-speak, well enough though.

williambbechtoldub17_ESO

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game has like 10 bugs... world ends.

7 WEEKS...GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR 7 WEEKS.

Cry a river.

Only 10 bugs, now that's funny!