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Do not mess with bolt escape please.
METALPUNKS
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I understand the frustration with this skill and I do think something needs to be done but not too much. As sorcs we don't have any self healing and I use this skill in place of that. Ill bolt escape in, heal or do damage then bolt escape out. I won't keep using the skill after I do that pattern. That is the problem when people keep spamming it. I know some crazy nerf is coming for this skill and I know it's going to suck for the ones who don't abuse it. When changing this skill please think about the ones who use the skill how it was made to be used.
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭People used Bat Swarm and Elusive Mist as it was meant to be used; broken things still get fixed when they're broken.1 -
NakedSnake✭✭✭Be afraid, be very afraid."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"3 -
Demira✭✭✭I think all classes that complained about the bolt get a hard hammer to their classes as they wish the same to this ability.
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GrimCyclone✭✭✭✭✭METALPUNKS wrote: »I understand the frustration with this skill and I do think something needs to be done but not too much.
That's all I needed to read.
We're comin' for that skill, buddy.
We're going to nerf the s*** outta it.
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They already made elusive mist pointless and as a Nightblade the majority of my skills have never worked. QQ more cupcake.0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
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METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
i would give them ALL for green dragon blood
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Froggmann5✭✭✭METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
I hope you realize those all do VERY LITTLE healing. You can't use dark exchange, you'd get killed the second you start trying to use it. The only way you can effectively use it in combat is if you Bolt Escape away first.
Critical surge only heals you on critical hits. And not much there either.
Twilight Matriarch can bet killed in less than 2-3 hits. No effective healing there.
None of these are anywhere NEAR effective for a sorc. If you Nerf Bolt Escape, then give us some proper healing!6 -
Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Froggmann5 wrote: »METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
I hope you realize those all do VERY LITTLE healing. You can't use dark exchange, you'd get killed the second you start trying to use it. The only way you can effectively use it in combat is if you Bolt Escape away first.
Critical surge only heals you on critical hits. And not much there either.
Twilight Matriarch can bet killed in less than 2-3 hits. No effective healing there.
None of these are anywhere NEAR effective for a sorc. If you Nerf Bolt Escape, then give us some proper healing!
Try making potions with alchemy.
Really, as a NB i can also claim i don't have a good self heal. siphoning is also mediocore healing. And after that skill there is none.
If you want good self heal, try using a resto staff and skills.
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Froggmann5 wrote: »METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
I hope you realize those all do VERY LITTLE healing. You can't use dark exchange, you'd get killed the second you start trying to use it. The only way you can effectively use it in combat is if you Bolt Escape away first.
Critical surge only heals you on critical hits. And not much there either.
Twilight Matriarch can bet killed in less than 2-3 hits. No effective healing there.
None of these are anywhere NEAR effective for a sorc. If you Nerf Bolt Escape, then give us some proper healing!
Critical surge is by no means a "little healing" as i use a 2h/bow and can constantly maintain a healthy hp pool with crit surge. I mean come on, 65% of the Crit damage I do? It's amazing!And the world comes to a close once again...0 -
Knootewoot wrote: »[
Really, as a NB i can also claim i don't have a good self heal. siphoning is also mediocore healing. And after that skill there is none.
you can even outrun us and heal at the same time with refreshing path ^^
and omg, no cooldown on manareg applied by it
and omg it does some dmg too
but sure, nerv the op bolt escape with the broken absorb of projectile dmg (doesnt work) and its high magica cost + 4 sek reg cooldown
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✭✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Knootewoot wrote: »[
Really, as a NB i can also claim i don't have a good self heal. siphoning is also mediocore healing. And after that skill there is none.
you can even outrun us and heal at the same time with refreshing path ^^
and omg, no cooldown on manareg applied by it
and omg it does some dmg too
Ah, ya got me there. Didn't mention it because people will call nerfe in an instant :P٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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Knootewoot wrote: »
Ah, ya got me there. Didn't mention it because people will call nerfe in an instant :P
i wont, but i would sure as hell swap that skill with you
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭Froggmann5 wrote: »METALPUNKS wrote: »As sorcs we don't have any self healing
Huh? Dark Exchange? Blood Magic? Critical Surge? Twilight Matriarch?
I hope you realize those all do VERY LITTLE healing. You can't use dark exchange, you'd get killed the second you start trying to use it. The only way you can effectively use it in combat is if you Bolt Escape away first.
Critical surge only heals you on critical hits. And not much there either.
Twilight Matriarch can bet killed in less than 2-3 hits. No effective healing there.
None of these are anywhere NEAR effective for a sorc. If you Nerf Bolt Escape, then give us some proper healing!
You are aware Dark Exchange is the best self heal in the game? Only DK can compare with it.
You are aware that you get 50% crit chance, and 50% of all the crit damage you get back in healing? No other class (except DK) can gather large groups of mobs and just AoE them to hell without any risk of dying, Sorcerer heal to much for the health bar to even move.
Sorcerer already got pets, now you think you should get healings too? Which you already got? Then give the rest of us pets too! Which we should get anyway, in a weapon of sorts, just like anyone can get healing.Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC0 -
Phantorang wrote: »Then give the rest of us pets too!
Gladly i would give you that stupid bugged pets (that take away 10% of your mana - each pet)......
you dont even have to pay me for thatPhantorang wrote: »You are aware Dark Exchange is the best self heal in the game? Only DK can compare with it..
ok we are now comparing a instant heal with a 3 second "stay there and act as a target dummy" channel ....
interresting (i go and fetch some popcorn now )
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »Phantorang wrote: »Then give the rest of us pets too!
Gladly i would give you that stupid bugged pets (that take away 10% of your mana - each pet)......
you dont even have to pay me for thatPhantorang wrote: »You are aware Dark Exchange is the best self heal in the game? Only DK can compare with it..
ok we are now comparing a instant heal with a 3 second "stay there and act as a target dummy" channel ....
interresting
No Sorc I know ever needs a self heal, they use Critical Surge, which is an in combat High Damage Dealing heal, what else you need?Fimbulwinter Recruiting true Vikings | Campaigns score | EU PC0 -
Phantorang wrote: »No Sorc I know ever needs a self heal, they use Critical Surge, which is an in combat High Damage Dealing heal, what else you need?
you know the difference between a selfheal and a "heal on landing a crit"
if you dont, go and try to get a descent heal of critical surge (done with crystal fragments - will heal you about 400-500 HP - about 3 seconds real casttime (but tooltip sais 1,2 sec, ok another bug)
so 400-500 hp heal in 50% of the time after 3 seconds casting ....... nice one
how much did that instant green dragon blood ?
was it 30 or 33% of max hp (about 800-1000) instant 100% of the time
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Sorc and NB have weak healing skills
They have their escape mechanism to make it fair.
If you nerf BE and Cloak, give es some instant magicka based heal.
I can only speak for the sorc, but have you tried dark exchange after rolling out of the third dark talons? Not much to heal anymore.
Critical surge is a luck heal if you arent going for glass cannon. Matriarch.....meh.
The other morph instead of dark exchange should give you 4000 armor and spell resist. But thats not true. I ended up with about 2700 for each still taking lots of damage. So not very useful for the fact you cant move and have to channel for three seconds.
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METALPUNKS✭✭✭What I'm taking about is having a steady heal coming in. I don't think we need that right now with bolt escape but what they should do is add a nice little heal to bolt escape but either make it so you cannot spam it or make it higher magic cost or make it so when you use bolt escapes more than a certain amount if times the small heal you would normally get turns into a self life steal, so that way after the second time using it it actually takes a chunk of health from you. Or even make it so after you use it your walk and run speeds diminish. Whatever these are just ideas and I just know bolt escape is going to be broken soon and that sucks. But before they even touch it they should fix the poor nightblade. As of now there are maybe 3-5 skills that are worth even using maybe less, some say that's enough but I say every skill in the game should have a purpose for at least one situation. When I played my nightblade I found myself using weapon, fighters and mages guild skills and no nightblade skills. Now that I rolled a sorc I'm swapping in and out of using every skill in all the trees.0
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✭✭✭People used Bat Swarm and Elusive Mist as it was meant to be used; broken things still get fixed when they're broken.
Bat Swarm and Elusive Mist allowed the person abusing it to become a world raid boss, completely ignoring damage from thirty or fourty people at once while slaughtering the lot of them just by standing next to them.
Bolt Escape lets you sometimes, if you can manage to cast it before being stunned or disoriented and still have lots of magicka, run away from your enemy, leaving them to cry out that it's not fair that they didn't get AP for jumping out from stealth and trying to kill you while you were picking flowers.
See the difference?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
Harakh✭✭✭I think all classes that complained about the bolt get a hard hammer to their classes as they wish the same to this ability.
Its only fair.
Than we NB already have this hammer till release
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭Bolt Escape is the only gap closer sorcerer have. Not counting weapon skill lines.
So why exactly should it be nerfed, while nightblades can move faster using path of darkness, can teleport, and can insta-qiut difficult situations by going invisible?
All classes have utility abilities, and some of them are much more powerfull then bolt escape.
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htoncic✭✭✭I think they should definitely mess with Bolt Escape. It's too damn expensive. Lower the cost, please.2
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »how much did that instant green dragon blood ?
was it 30 or 33% of max hp (about 800-1000) instant 100% of the time
Dragon Blood heals for 33% of MISSING health, not max hp. If you have 3k hp, looose 300 it will heal you for 100. While Critical Surge (on proper crit build) can heal you stable 300-400hp without waiting to go low on hp to get some decent heal numbers. Plus it heals from dmg done without loosing magicka and time strictly for self heal but allow you continue dpsing.Bolt Escape is the only gap closer sorcerer have. Not counting weapon skill lines.
Problem of Bolt Escape is not "gap closer" but too good ability as "gap maker". Its only ability in game allowing you disengage with small cost from even big group of enemies.
Plus, DK also have no gap closer from class abilities and need to rely on weapon abilties (and yet non of them will use this argument asking for buff), NB and Templar need enemy to use their abilities, sorc shouldnt be only one priviliged with 1 button spam safe escape guarantee, non should.1 -
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They actually have, it's called Dragon Leap. Seen DK jump into the inner keep wall with it. So funny and definitely underpoweredPlus, DK also have no gap closer from class abilities and need to rely on weapon abilties
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Nerf Nightblade, he said it.sorc shouldnt be only one priviliged with 1 button spam safe escape guarantee, non should.
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Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,
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And empty holes it fills,
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✭andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »how much did that instant green dragon blood ?
was it 30 or 33% of max hp (about 800-1000) instant 100% of the time
Dragon Blood heals for 33% of MISSING health, not max hp. If you have 3k hp, looose 300 it will heal you for 100. While Critical Surge (on proper crit build) can heal you stable 300-400hp without waiting to go low on hp to get some decent heal numbers. Plus it heals from dmg done without loosing magicka and time strictly for self heal but allow you continue dpsing.Bolt Escape is the only gap closer sorcerer have. Not counting weapon skill lines.
Problem of Bolt Escape is not "gap closer" but too good ability as "gap maker". Its only ability in game allowing you disengage with small cost from even big group of enemies.
Plus, DK also have no gap closer from class abilities and need to rely on weapon abilties (and yet non of them will use this argument asking for buff), NB and Templar need enemy to use their abilities, sorc shouldnt be only one priviliged with 1 button spam safe escape guarantee, non should.
Do you play dk at all? At least read the tooltips.Edited by crislevin on 30 May 2014 10:350