State of The Game

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO

So the current state of the game, can sadly only be described in one word “poor”. ZoS has had ampule amounts of time to address major errors, bugs, content, and more. It’s not 1996 anymore. MMO’s are expected to release and be 99% ready for launch. It’s very obvious that Elder Scrolls Online, needed to be pushed back a full year. Multiple errors stopping player progression, roll backs, bots, gold farms, and lack of content are seriously hurting the game and in a major way. The guild I am in came over from our other MMO. We started at 210 players. We are now down to 81 guild mates. 129 members left Elder Scrolls Online to return to our former MMO of choice. These members have stated they are not returning.

Sadly we know many other guild communities already gone or planning to go. People are leaving hand over fist. I love Elder Scrolls Online so much. However the truth is, it should have been so much more. Veteran level grinding is not content, levels should have been capped a standard level 50. Veteran levels were never needed. It was a waste of time and effort on the developers part. Players simply don’t want to be forced to relevel each time a new patch comes out. Getting hit by a wall of quests over and over simply isn’t fun.

On top of this, once you are at max level, there is a serious lack of content. Trials are simply easy. However they are also seriously bugged. When content is designed to be timed, the bosses can never be truly challenging. Simply put 4 man veteran boss are harder. I know it’s hard to hear, however it’s simply the truth. The PvP is simply boring. Unless you enjoy zerging around mindless. It does not take any level of skill at all. Sure you can form a good group and progress. However it’s still zerg vs zerg. Which is simply lazy on the developers part.

On top of this you have exploiters. Speed hackers mass disconnecting hundreds of players at once and taking keeps. Players farming other players for real money to get Emperor. Whole guilds in fact. Emperor title should be a serious title and only to those player who have truly earned it. Not to those who farmed other players of any type. The exploiters in Trials are just as bad. Only stacking set classes and bugging bosses out to clear the Trial in 11 minutes. Or mass bugging out 4 man bosses for gold farming. Or player still duping items…. The worst part is this isn’t 1% of the issues we are able to list. We know ZoS sees these players. Why are they not being banned and Leader boards stripped of their names?

ZoS has a ton of work to do and very little time to do it in. I serious fear for Elder Scrolls Online. Unless something major is done, sadly Elder Scrolls Online, will go the way of other MMO’s. Elder Scrolls Online should have launched with multiple modes of pvp, pve, and content. The fact is it didn’t. People are not willing to wait and see anymore.

I hope you are reading this ZoS.

Dusty5

What!! guards!! guards!! where are the guards? We have another malcontent demanding a finished/working product for his money!!! Quick get him in chains before he has the chance to infect the mass's of players with this..this demand of quality. After all he is not a real customer just another basement dweller or child that's forgotten his place.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

I want you to focus on working on the game. But I also want you to read every rant on the forum, pick out obscure details and focus on that. Actually, I don't really know what I want. But I know I want it now.

kthxbye

Turelus

You make some valid points but you also seem to believe you're talking for the games entire population. I am willing to wait and see what they do, in fact I am eagerly awaiting news on the next patch and official state of the game we heard was coming.

I fully agree the game has issues, but I also understand ZOS doesn't have magical powers which can fix issues over night. They're reading and listening to feedback given, the problem is more players are looking for a chance to rant and whine than actually sitting and giving constructive logical feedback.

Go and look at almost all the issues threads and they're full of "OMG FIX THE GAME!!!" "YOU SUCK!" "FFS WHY IS THIS BROKEN!!!" and very few posts of players saying things like.

"Hey I noticed today that this skill seems to be under-performing.
I did tests on various monsters and have screenshots and numbers here to back up my findings. I would recommend that maybe the skill could use a 5% buff in damage or maybe a stagger improvement with the skills level.

Has anyone else had issues with this and could provide some more feedback or ideas on how to solve the issue."

The above is what helps developers, entitled whines and rants are worthless and do nothing to actually HELP the game past making the community look terrible and convince developers interaction with us is pointless.

mutharex

OP I disagree, so you are wrong
Sorry

GrimCyclone

Dusty5 wrote: »

What!! guards!! guards!! where are the guards? We have another malcontent demanding a finished/working product for his money!!! Quick get him in chains before he has the chance to infect the mass's of players with this..this demand of quality. After all he is not a real customer just another basement dweller or child that's forgotten his place.

L O L !

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 !!111!!1!1

Akalukz

while they can't fix certain things over night. They can fix skill exploits and such. How long did they let Vampires ruin PVP. How long have they let Caltrops cause issues. These things can be quickly fixed... but they didn't and haven't.

Lodestar

Dusty5 wrote: »

What!! guards!! guards!! where are the guards? We have another malcontent demanding a finished/working product for his money!!! Quick get him in chains before he has the chance to infect the mass's of players with this..this demand of quality. After all he is not a real customer just another basement dweller or child that's forgotten his place.

Maybe ZOS expect some modders and addons to create fixes, to their oversights, bugs, and bots same as happened with so many other Bethesda games.

What!?! I am only saying what some of you must have been thinking.

babylon

Dusty5 wrote: »

What!! guards!! guards!! where are the guards? We have another malcontent demanding a finished/working product for his money!!! Quick get him in chains before he has the chance to infect the mass's of players with this..this demand of quality. After all he is not a real customer just another basement dweller or child that's forgotten his place.

This^ So much

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

You make some valid points but you also seem to believe you're talking for the games entire population. I am willing to wait and see what they do, in fact I am eagerly awaiting news on the next patch and official state of the game we heard was coming.

I fully agree the game has issues, but I also understand ZOS doesn't have magical powers which can fix issues over night. They're reading and listening to feedback given, the problem is more players are looking for a chance to rant and whine than actually sitting and giving constructive logical feedback.

Go and look at almost all the issues threads and they're full of "OMG FIX THE GAME!!!" "YOU SUCK!" "FFS WHY IS THIS BROKEN!!!" and very few posts of players saying things like.

"Hey I noticed today that this skill seems to be under-performing.
I did tests on various monsters and have screenshots and numbers here to back up my findings. I would recommend that maybe the skill could use a 5% buff in damage or maybe a stagger improvement with the skills level.

Has anyone else had issues with this and could provide some more feedback or ideas on how to solve the issue."

The above is what helps developers, entitled whines and rants are worthless and do nothing to actually HELP the game past making the community look terrible and convince developers interaction with us is pointless.

It seems to me that you've read the OP's post in the light of all the other threads that are whining and complaining about the state of the game. He is pointing out very serious concerns for us fans in a reasoned and fairly well thought out manner. Just because you've had bad experiences with people whining about the game doesn't mean you should denigrate someone who is giving their honest opinion about what they think is wrong with the game and what could use fixing.

There is always room for improvement and I think the OP has some very valid concerns that I'd bet a large segment of subscribers share.

idk

Is this the millionth malcontent thread thinking that somehow making this post will change the course of ESO development? I think someone has already used a similar title as well.

SinisterJoint

What I never understand is when people lump in bots and gold farmers and say its caused by an "unfinished product". To all of those people, you're an idiot.

Aside from that, the op has a valid point in there somewhere im sure.

SuperJChat

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

It’s not 1996 anymore. MMO’s are expected to release and be 99% ready for launch

Lol, you must have been in a coma since 1996 if you think that.

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

The guild I am in came over from our other MMO. We started at 210 players. We are now down to 81 guild mates. 129 members left Elder Scrolls Online to return to our former MMO of choice. These members have stated they are not returning.

1. when people use the "we came with X players and are at (X minus Y)[with Y being ~50% or more of X) players now" as an excuse that a game is bad, I can't help but assume that your expectation of the game was that it would be as simple and watered down as all the F2P MMO's you are "used" to, and when you are presented with a game that doesn't just spoon feed you, you start to whine like the MMO baby that you are. and considering the previous quote, you are obviously a scholar when it comes to MMO's (/Sarcasm). I came here with no friends, or guildies, or anyone. and now im in 4 guilds, of which 2 are highly active and rather enjoy the game, and yes we are excited for new content, higher Vet Ranks, and more.

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

The PvP is simply boring. Unless you enjoy zerging around mindless. It does not take any level of skill at all. Sure you can form a good group and progress. However it’s still zerg vs zerg. Which is simply lazy on the developers part.

This has been (foolishly) stated so many times, that when people say it i just kinda laugh.

But on a serious note, tell me, what is your Alliance Rank? If it is anything under 5 or 6 then you obviously haven't spent enough time in pvp to understand it.
Also try some of these:
1. Going solo
2. Ganking (small squad or solo)
3. Organized groups (voice communications, smart leaders, plans, and good group members)
4. Questing (good xp with lots of ganking opportunities)
5. Exploring (see a brown dot on your map? go check it out)
6. Mindless large groups (sure they are annoying, and very unorganized, but sometimes its just fun to run about aimlessly with a ton of your team around you, knocking over everyone in your path)

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

On top of this you have exploiters.

Name 1 MMO that doesn't

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online should have launched with multiple modes of pvp, pve, and content. The fact is it didn’t. People are not willing to wait and see anymore.

So you have done absolutely everything there is to do in the game and are bored out of your mind right? No? well certainly you missed something...
Have you tried reading (Actually reading) all the books? Caught all the rare fish? Completed every group challange? Speed runs and undaunted Vet dungeons? Seen all 3 alliances with 1 character? maxed out your crafting? Became emperor? completed a 90 day PvP campaign? claimed a PvP keep for your alliance? Killed an emperor? Collected all the skyshards? Found M'aiq the Liar in every zone? Bought a (non-imperial edition) horse? collected all the Motifs? completed every dungeon/anchor/world boss? Solo'd a low level Group Dungeon naked and unarmed? (a personal favorite) Completed a mid-high level Group Dungeon with 4 other players all naked and unarmed?

If the answer to any of the above is no, then missed lots of "Content" and lots of fun

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

I hope you are reading this ZoS.

I hope You are reading this @rogue_gamer32b14_ESO‌ .

andersan

SuperJChat wrote: »

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

Zenimax will miss the cost of his and his friends subs each month. YOU will miss playing with others in a multiplayer game when more and more people leave. Stop lying to yourself and empathize with the issues instead of blindly defending problems that should never have existed at launch.

ThePonzzz

Comparing ESO to first generation MMORPGs kind made me stop reading the OP. Because I don't think anyone who can make a statement so bold played UO, EQ, DAoC, or FFXI, and that brings us to about 2003. We're getting close to the second month of live play. I don't think you can point to an MMO on the market that didn't have issues in the first 2 months after launch.

mutharex

andersan wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

Zenimax will miss the cost of his and his friends subs each month. YOU will miss playing with others in a multiplayer game when more and more people leave. Stop lying to yourself and empathize with the issues instead of blindly defending problems that should never have existed at launch.

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

I see this in every MMO game. A guild moves from a previous game, think the guild will operate the same, and the "followers" of the guild don't like how they have to "follow" the guild in the new game because there's no loot that the leaders can hold over them to dictate their time in game.

Most of the guilds that I join who say: "were a guild from another game and were recruiting". I usually just leave I know its going to die off or ill never feel "part" of their community.

andersan

mutharex wrote: »

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

Would love to stay in contact with you over the course of the next few months when the sub base dries up so we can have a long chat about this comment.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

andersan wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

Would love to stay in contact with you over the course of the next few months when the sub base dries up so we can have a long chat about this comment.

Well those people are called churn, they do exist, and they are accounted for, by most likely their accounting department

I wonder what the industry churn rate is based on how finicky the MMO community is.

GreySix

My stance is neither with the "Its irreparably broken!" crowd, nor the "Its perfect the way it is, so STFU!" crowd. The most shrill of posters appear to be comprised of one of those two.

Rather, I see the game as having lots of good stuff therein - with room for improvement. My main two issues remain these:

• Grouping: Allow it in all cases, and across all instances
• Bots: Get them under control

SuperJChat

andersan wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

Zenimax will miss the cost of his and his friends subs each month. YOU will miss playing with others in a multiplayer game when more and more people leave. Stop lying to yourself and empathize with the issues instead of blindly defending problems that should never have existed at launch.

I never said the game was perfect, flawless, the best out there, or anything of the sort. However I have enjoyed my experience so far, been trying lots of things out, lots of things have broken, i've /stuck more times than i can count, i've raged at bosses, and had plenty of times where I just stopped playing for a day because of something stupid. but my experience has been enjoyable still, and ive seen ZoS actively working to fix their problems, which means a whole lot more to me than a perfect launch.

What i'm saying though is that unsubbing with the "I'm never coming back" threat is well, juvenile, immature, childish. The game hasn't even been out 6 months... but for some reason it isn't worth your time ever again? i'm not saying you should stay subbed if you don't like the game, by all means unsub, i'd unsub if i didn't like the game. the threats though are what annoy me. Just leave, say "hey this and this should be fixed" and have a nice day. the whole "my guild only has x number of players left and the ones who have left said they wont return" statement was just... meaningless and wasted effort.

Oh and yes, I will not miss him, I have plenty of mates to play with now, and I get more everyday.

andersan

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

Well those people are called churn, they do exist, and they are accounted for, by most likely their accounting department

I wonder what the industry churn rate is based on how finicky the MMO community is.

I know what churn is. Zenimax doesn't even have a system to account for the type of churn that's occurring because when you unsub you aren't asked. And you don't proactively account for churn it's completely reactive unless you knowingly have a defective product.

I'm simply stating that the blind zealotry of some of the apologists here is ridiculous. It's as if they refuse to admit that there are problems. I would love to play a non-defective ESO that didn't have all of these issues.

I keep seeing responses like "all mmo's have these issues" and it's just not true. 50% of the classes, on release, were broken, along with major quest issues, exploits, blah blah blah. All of these things that were reported and known. The worst response is the "good bye you won't be missed" because in a multiplayer game you WILL miss them.

Zenimax has done a disservice to you and I by not fixing the bugs that were reported and known before release. They have done a huge disservice by not fixing them by now and clearly not having an adequate QA department.

It honestly doesn't matter anymore. The amount of repetitive threads here calling out Zenimax on this is more than enough.

mutharex

andersan wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

Would love to stay in contact with you over the course of the next few months when the sub base dries up so we can have a long chat about this comment.

Feel free mate, whatever game you jumped ship to lol

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

andersan wrote: »

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

Well those people are called churn, they do exist, and they are accounted for, by most likely their accounting department

I wonder what the industry churn rate is based on how finicky the MMO community is.

I know what churn is. Zenimax doesn't even have a system to account for the type of churn that's occurring because when you unsub you aren't asked. And you don't proactively account for churn it's completely reactive unless you knowingly have a defective product.

I'm simply stating that the blind zealotry of some of the apologists here is ridiculous. It's as if they refuse to admit that there are problems. I would love to play a non-defective ESO that didn't have all of these issues.

I keep seeing responses like "all mmo's have these issues" and it's just not true. 50% of the classes, on release, were broken, along with major quest issues, exploits, blah blah blah. All of these things that were reported and known. The worst response is the "good bye you won't be missed" because in a multiplayer game you WILL miss them.

Zenimax has done a disservice to you and I by not fixing the bugs that were reported and known before release. They have done a huge disservice by not fixing them by now and clearly not having an adequate QA department.

It honestly doesn't matter anymore. The amount of repetitive threads here calling out Zenimax on this is more than enough.

Just to clear something up. Most if not all industries with a subscription base model pro-actively accounts for churn, if you do it retroactively and assume nobody will leave, well you're going to be in a tight spot trying to explain.

You would model it on historical data that is available on the market. But no need to discuss. You made your point. I'm just trying to say that they already accounted for a certain % of players leaving no matter what they do, or how good their product is.

Jeremy

rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »

So the current state of the game, can sadly only be described in one word “poor”. ZoS has had ampule amounts of time to address major errors, bugs, content, and more. It’s not 1996 anymore. MMO’s are expected to release and be 99% ready for launch. It’s very obvious that Elder Scrolls Online, needed to be pushed back a full year. Multiple errors stopping player progression, roll backs, bots, gold farms, and lack of content are seriously hurting the game and in a major way. The guild I am in came over from our other MMO. We started at 210 players. We are now down to 81 guild mates. 129 members left Elder Scrolls Online to return to our former MMO of choice. These members have stated they are not returning.

I disagree. This game is in much better shape than other recent MMORPGs I've played so soon after launch.

And this game has tons of content. The problem is players these days feel like everything is a race to get to the end and just rush through it.

mutharex

GreySix wrote: »

My stance is neither with the "Its irreparably broken!" crowd, nor the "Its perfect the way it is, so STFU!" crowd. The most shrill of posters appear to be comprised of one of those two.

Rather, I see the game as having lots of good stuff therein - with room for improvement. My main two issues remain these:

• Grouping: Allow it in all cases, and across all instances
• Bots: Get them under control

Honestly i don't see all these "the game is perfect STFU" types around, while there is an over abundance of "The game is dying" types.

People might get annoyed at trolls or 6 years old creeping in threads with their silly "shame the game is dying" stuff, but that doesn't mean they don't want bugs fixed and bots reduced. And no, "broken" doesn't mean "it doesn't have an AH or other wowclone stuff"

GreySix

mutharex wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

My stance is neither with the "Its irreparably broken!" crowd, nor the "Its perfect the way it is, so STFU!" crowd. The most shrill of posters appear to be comprised of one of those two.

Rather, I see the game as having lots of good stuff therein - with room for improvement. My main two issues remain these:

• Grouping: Allow it in all cases, and across all instances
• Bots: Get them under control

Honestly i don't see all these "the game is perfect STFU" types around...

See the post right above yours. Sure, the "STFU" is omitted, but we see the usual shifting of blame to players.

Its as though middle-ground is a no-go zone -- an "if you're not with me, then you're my enemy!" mentality.

Morostyle

Just fix the stupid LAG in PVP for crying out loud! I dont give a fuzz about anything else! FIX THE LAG OR DIE TRYING!

Korah_Eaglecry

mutharex wrote: »

andersan wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

Zenimax will miss the cost of his and his friends subs each month. YOU will miss playing with others in a multiplayer game when more and more people leave. Stop lying to yourself and empathize with the issues instead of blindly defending problems that should never have existed at launch.

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

That's rich. According to you anyone that becomes disillusioned with a game in a poor state. Theyre 'tourists and whiney wowkiddies'. I can only assume your blatant namecalling and immature reaction is an admittance that their opinion of the game is valid. And you have nothing better to retort then namecalling.

frwinters_ESO

I stopped reading when you said "MMO’s are expected to release and be 99% ready for launch". Did anyone else?

Cause yeah this has never happened. Most MMO's I have experienced are completely unplayable at launch. Can log into servers, crippling bugs, wait times for logins, crashes every half hour. At least for ESO day one you got in and played well enough and could progress. Response to progression bugs were dealt with immediately, some taken care of later on. As time grew new bugs and exploits were found.

Sorry but less your a CEO of a game design company who knows the business this thread is useless.

mutharex

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

andersan wrote: »

SuperJChat wrote: »

Oh btw, nobody here will miss you or your friends... sorry? oh and making this thread and using idle "not returning" threats just makes nobody respect or listen to you

Zenimax will miss the cost of his and his friends subs each month. YOU will miss playing with others in a multiplayer game when more and more people leave. Stop lying to yourself and empathize with the issues instead of blindly defending problems that should never have existed at launch.

Nah really, they are accounted for. Every time a MMo launches, devs know they gonna get a bunch of tourists and whiney wowkiddies and that those gonna leave after trolling the forums for a while

For their accountants, they don't even exist

That's rich. According to you anyone that becomes disillusioned with a game in a poor state. Theyre 'tourists and whiney wowkiddies'. I can only assume your blatant namecalling and immature reaction is an admittance that their opinion of the game is valid. And you have nothing better to retort then namecalling.

No, it's just that they act like children and have nothing better than fill the forum with whines, retorts, name calling, silly menaces and I quit threads and the usual wowkiddie repertoire

But thanks for your rich contribution. And bye